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post #1 of 426
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pretty much the same as the ski car thread with some differences.

 

here's what I want:

 

Overall, a snow and fire road worthy vehicle, not too large (don't want a full sized SUV like a Explorer or Cheerokee) will be used to haul bikes, kayaks.  Needs some clearance but doesn't need to be hard core off road vehicle. We plan to do a lot of hiking and many trail heads are rutted and require all or 4 wd. Needs to have some power for climbing mountains on Highway. 

 

Cost: No more than 30-32K

 

On the List

 

1- subie outback- hard to go wrong here- this is what I think is the closest to perfect

 

others not in order of preference

 

subie Forrester

new escape

new Mazda cx-5

Nissan X-terra

VW Tiguan

Nissan Murano or rougue

Jeep Unlimited (4 door)

 

 

thoughts?

post #2 of 426
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

pretty much the same as the ski car thread with some differences.

 

here's what I want:

 

Overall, a snow and fire road worthy vehicle, not too large (don't want a full sized SUV like a Explorer or Cheerokee) will be used to haul bikes, kayaks.  Needs some clearance but doesn't need to be hard core off road vehicle. We plan to do a lot of hiking and many trail heads are rutted and require all or 4 wd. Needs to have some power for climbing mountains on Highway. 

 

Cost: No more than 30-32K

 

On the List

 

1- subie outback- hard to go wrong here- this is what I think is the closest to perfect- WINNER

 

others not in order of preference

 

subie Forrester -Too small

new escape - TBA could be nice

new Mazda cx-5- too bad no diesel, could be viable

Nissan X-terra- dinsoaur

VW Tiguan- tiny inside

Nissan Murano or rougue- marginal AWD system

Jeep Unlimited (4 door)- -still question quality..cannot get what you will want for 32 range.

 

 

thoughts?



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post #3 of 426

Subie's don't have the clearance for even moderate 4 wheeling.  Eventually you'll find yourself saying, "I think I can make that"?

 

I liked my old CJ the best, but the wife didn't like it with little guys in the back.  So now I have a 4runner and an old Cherokee?

post #4 of 426
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Would love the Jeep for  clearance and I have always wanted one.  Phil's points are dead-on though.  If I go that route, yes, I get more off road ability and its cool. The bad is I will have to give on creature comforts and that always nagging feeling of "what will break"....

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Subie's don't have the clearance for even moderate 4 wheeling.  Eventually you'll find yourself saying, "I think I can make that"?

 

I liked my old CJ the best, but the wife didn't like it with little guys in the back.  So now I have a 4runner and an old Cherokee?



Knowing Finn, fireroads max. The 30mpg of 97% of the use will out weight the the 2% of fireroad driving to the trail heads and having to deal with <20MPG...for that other 1% a case of beer with a buddy and the Jeep will get to the other places.  There are some good aftermarket skid plates and even brush guards for the Outback.

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post #6 of 426

Could do an FJ Cruiser.  260hp V6 and manual tranny available in 4x4.  Comes in under your number.

post #7 of 426
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yeah, I really have no interest in serious off-road stuff. fire roads are about it. I would think 10" or so would be adequate. 
 

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Knowing Finn, fireroads max. The 30mpg of 97% of the use will out weight the the 2% of fireroad driving to the trail heads and having to deal with <20MPG...for that other 1% a case of beer with a buddy and the Jeep will get to the other places.  There are some good aftermarket skid plates and even brush guards for the Outback.



 

post #8 of 426
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yes but doesn't it suck gas?  The Jeep gets better mpg doesn't it?

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Could do an FJ Cruiser.  260hp V6 and manual tranny available in 4x4.  Comes in under your number.



 

post #9 of 426

EPA #s are poor.  15/18 in MT, which actually sucks.  I'd guess reliability is better than the Jeep product though.  

post #10 of 426
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yeah, that's just too poor. Nice truck though

post #11 of 426

Get a used CPO Audi Q7 or Volvo XC-60 and don't pay the 20-30% depreciation when you drive that new car off the lot.

post #12 of 426

I was going to suggest a good used vehicle.  Gas is really expensive in Aspen, but I just don't put many miles on my vehicles there, so that's not a priority.  Reliability is, because it's a pita to get them worked on.

post #13 of 426
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q7 is huge and way too fancy.  small.........    

 

used is most likely not worth it in many cars like a Subie, the used car market is way too hot.

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I went Forester simply because it had a little more ground clearance than the 09 Outback.  The brakes are the only thing I don't really like about it, squawky and a bit whimpy, other than that all good.  If you want something bigger and higher,   I really liked the Trooper we had, but it got a bit unreliable after 12 years and 140K.  Does Isuzu or Acura/Honda still make/market those?

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used is most likely not worth it in many cars like a Subie, the used car market is way too hot.


 

That is for sure, especially if you are buying here in CO. Someone told me last summer it is the #1 market for used (and maybe also new) Subies ... no deals out there, unfortunately.

post #16 of 426

I've had an Outback for 6 months, coming from a Nissan Xterra... I love it but add a thicker rear sway bar to firm up the suspension.  You can do it yourself in less then 45 minutes.  Here is a link:

 

     http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/104-gen-4-2010-present/24867-sway-bar-mod-picture-tutorial.html

 

If you are a IMBA member you can get it for 2% under invoice with no added fees.

post #17 of 426
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cool!  Phil and I had this discussion on the AM of the nuptials while driving up to N*, it seemed like the Outback was the way to go and I will make a decision once I heal up and get back to a more normal life

 

 

Seg: yep! I will be buying in NJ and then take up to CO. The deals are no better there. 

post #18 of 426

I'd HAVE to have forced induction on ANY road going Colorado car. You just loose too much on the way from 5k feet up to 10+k.

 

Do they still make the  Forester XT?

post #19 of 426
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I have had no problems with my 4 door jeep rubicon. The price on them is not nearly as much as everyone says unless you pay for the upgraded packages (ie. mountain edition, rubicon, ect). The new engine also does a great deal to help the vehicle.(the old 3.8 sucks going up even moderate hills at high speed)  

post #21 of 426

Toyota Rav4 Sport V6.

 

Total sleeper.

 

Slightly touchy throttle tip.  Great in all other regards.

 

This from a near life-long BMW snob!

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I think my Jeep Wrangler is pretty awesome as a CO mountain car.  I look at it the other way around:  the lousy gas mileage doesn't add up to that much money given how much you drive it.  And given the 10% of the time you want to be on a fireroad, you don't have to worry as much about the washboards, and you are far less likely to rip the transmission out than you'd be on an Outback.  Plus you can go places around Routt County that you can't go in an Outback.

 

Buy a reasonably priced used Wrangler, IMO.

 

Mike

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i drive a v6 rav4 in CO and while it is awesome to drive w/ pick-up, roomy and gets awesome gas mileage, it totally stinks off road on fire roads etc.; not great on snow; it's more of a car than suv.

 

this is a lot like all mountain skis;  you're going to be giving up something.

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Toyota Rav4 Sport V6.

 

Total sleeper.

 

Slightly touchy throttle tip.  Great in all other regards.

 

This from a near life-long BMW snob!



 

post #24 of 426

Forester XT. They can hold a ton of stuff, great ground clearance, tons of available modifications. Plus they drive like a car, so you can still thrash one on the way up mountain roads. Check out Primitive Racing for skid plates, diff covers and such. I have a 2001 Forester, and it does everything for me. I've even taken it off-roading a couple times with no issues. It's amazing how capable they are. Tons of fun in the snow with full time AWD. I'll be adding Primitive Racing skid plates and a diff cover to mine, as well as doing headers and exhaust on it this summer. The Outback is also a solid choice, but quite a bit more pricy. Plus, the H6 isn't exactly easy on fuel. Check subaruforester.org to see what guys have done with their Subies. Space doesn't seem like too much of an issue for you, everything you list doing can go on the roof. Besides, it isn't that much smaller than the Outback

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i drive a v6 rav4 in CO and while it is awesome to drive w/ pick-up, roomy and gets awesome gas mileage, it totally stinks off road on fire roads etc.; not great on snow; it's more of a car than suv.

 

this is a lot like all mountain skis;  you're going to be giving up something.



 


You simply need different tires -- assuming you do in fact have the Sport suspension.  Without that it is a pig in all things handling, for sure.  True, the Rav4 will never be a hard-core off road rock crawler, but it absolutely slays gravel roads and fire roads.  Travis Pastrana would be proud!

 

post #26 of 426
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Get a used CPO Audi Q7 or Volvo XC-60 and don't pay the 20-30% depreciation when you drive that new car off the lot.



There you go, buy one that's a month old.

 

EDIT: Oh wait! that 30% depreciation is only if you are selling your's or trading it in, not if you are trying to buy onerolleyes.gif.

post #27 of 426
Ummm, there is only one choice. Kayaks = river. Colorado = sun. Wrangler = soft top summer / hard top winter.

Find an Unlimited with the factory Dana44 axles and other good stuff. This is the most versatile factory vehicle ever produced, and amazingly in all my travels of the highways, byways, and back roads of Colorado, virtually 100% I have seen have been moving under their own power, often someplace really, really cool.

The good thing about Outbacks is that they usually extract pretty easily, because they get stuck pretty easily. At least as long as somebody else is around to help biggrin.gif
post #28 of 426
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yeah, its a 2.5 though 

 

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/forester/index.html



It's a 2.5 TURBO....

 

what's not to like about that?

 

post #29 of 426

There is no Audi/volvo/VW dealer in Steamboat so for service he will have to go to Denver. Subaru and Ford, yes, euro no. 

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There is no Audi/volvo/VW dealer in Steamboat so for service he will have to go to Denver. Subaru and Ford, yes, euro no. 



Service....???

 

When I put down 25-30k for a new ride, it better not need ANY service!!! (Maintenance I do)

 

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