EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › Mike Rogan does not know what tree skiing is.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Mike Rogan does not know what tree skiing is. - Page 2  

post #31 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

There is western tree skiing, eastern tree skiing, and tight tree skiing.  The video showed western ski treeing.  That is all.



A grossly inaccurate generalization.

 

post #32 of 56

BTW, the video is not usefully informative.

post #33 of 56

Huh?  What is "western" tree skiing exactly?  There's such variety that a blanket term like that is total gibberish.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

There is western tree skiing, eastern tree skiing, and tight tree skiing.  The video showed western ski treeing.  That is all.



 

post #34 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post

BTW, the video is not usefully informative.



I agree; this is a terrible video for a tree-newbie to get any useful information that will actually adequately prepare them to enter the glades.  So I personally agree the video is pretty dumb.

 

Having said that, the video is just that... a ski-magazine instructional stub that really serves little purpose.

 

 

Josh, I really enjoy your controversial threads, and if this is that I have no problem.  But I hope it is just that and you actually don't think this video was meant to be appreciably-instructional, nor that it is a comprehensive showcase of Mr. Rogan's tree-skiing abilities.

post #35 of 56

"Cross blocking" (as seen in slalom racing) only works with hinged single gate. With this technique, the racer actually knocks the gate into his path (to be cleared by his shins typically) rather than out of his way,. For tree branches, I'd suggest GS blocking technique, or pushing the branches away from you.

post #36 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayT View Post

Huh?  What is "western" tree skiing exactly?  There's such variety that a blanket term like that is total gibberish.
 



 


Typically the bushes that Josh is whacking back east, the small trees and brush found on forest floors, are very deeply buried under snowpack during winter in the mountains of the western USA.

 

post #37 of 56

Yeah, he doesn't even mention the dangers of falling into a tree well.rolleyes.gif
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post



I agree; this is a terrible video for a tree-newbie to get any useful information that will actually adequately prepare them to enter the glades.  So I personally agree the video is pretty dumb.

 

Having said that, the video is just that... a ski-magazine instructional stub that really serves little purpose.

 

 

Josh, I really enjoy your controversial threads, and if this is that I have no problem.  But I hope it is just that and you actually don't think this video was meant to be appreciably-instructional, nor that it is a comprehensive showcase of Mr. Rogan's tree-skiing abilities.



 

post #38 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post


Typically the bushes that Josh is whacking back east, the small trees and brush found on forest floors, are very deeply buried under snowpack during winter in the mountains of the western USA.

 



Also, many western mountains are devoid of deciduous trees (whose barks can pack more closely than some evergreens).

 

 

In the Eastern United states and Quebec, the only "gladed" in-bounds areas I've skied have been artificially doctored to space the trees to allow people to ski.  The bushes Josh whacks are in the side-country and are "raw," and not thinned out by man.

post #39 of 56

Josh,

 

It's clear you like the attention, and by my response, I'm feeding the troll.

 

I'm also sure you're quite aware that Mr. Rogan does indeed know what tree skiing is, and that he's perfectly capable of skiing stuff, both with and without trees, that's beyond your own skill set.

 

I'm not sure of the target audience for this video, but it at least appears to be directed at people who don't ski trees, but may be interested in trying. It looks to me more like encouragement than actual instruction, and as instruction, it contains relatively little information. Everyone has to start somewhere, and where intimidation is involved, they need to start with something it looks like they can actually do.

 

Scenes like the one shown below, a not-to-sharp photo from a well-known tree run at Whitewater, would not necessarily encourage most people to even attempt tree skiing if they've never done it before.

 

120128 Tim Powell Friend 3.jpg

 

Although this section doesn't look too steep, to those who haven't done it before, it looks too tight, too soft, too lumpy, too difficult to turn. If you're experienced, it looks like pretty nice tree skiing. To Josh, it looks like an open groomer.  wink.gif  To the inexperienced, it looks like a short trip to a solid impact.

 

The trees on Rogan's video look doable for the new tree skier. They look fun, not threatening.

 

We'll admit, by the way, that many of Whitewater's tree runs don't look too encouraging to the new tree skier. Catch the rating on this one - and yes, that's the entrance. Duck the rope and drop in. The rope is just to tell you that part of the ski area closes 45 minutes before the rest of the area. Gives patrol a chance to find the bodies.

 

120128 Blue Trail.jpg

 

As encouragement, I think Rogan's video is on point. As instruction, it's weak, but I don't think that's the intention. As a demonstration of Rogan's skill set - well, he's not demonstrating what he can do as much as he's demonstrating what the new tree skier can do.

post #40 of 56

WHO CARES, seriously.....     

post #41 of 56

Josh,

this man Mike Rogan, is he a level 3 coach?

post #42 of 56

Josh Mata, making friends and influencing people...

post #43 of 56

Okay, I'll buy that then.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post


Typically the bushes that Josh is whacking back east, the small trees and brush found on forest floors, are very deeply buried under snowpack during winter in the mountains of the western USA.

 



 

post #44 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post



A grossly inaccurate generalization.

 


I bow to your superior experience, It is a gross generalization, but it is based on my experience.  In my limited experience, I have noticed a difference, in that when I have skied out west, the mountain was bigger, the snow much softer and deeper, the trees farther apart, beginning with a few sparce ghosts of tree tops at the tree line and thickening a bit as you descend, and when close, still had lanes you could see a good 40 yards ahead on and could ski at a good clip without fear of surprises, and all evergreens with potential for tree wells.  When I have tree skied in the east the trees were closer together, requiring a lot of winding around an making tight turns over bumps where you couldn't see very far ahead, mostly a mix of deciduous, evergreen and brush, often with bushes and clumps of branches poking up and threatening to latch onto your ski if you messed up just a little and, unless you knew the trail fairly well you would best keep the speed in the SL  range.  Yes there were also very dense thorn, and extremely tight trees in the rain forest out west, but to me that's a whole other category. 

post #45 of 56

Yeah, you're still over-generalizing with the "west" thing.  You realize that generally includes Colorado when you say "west" - right?

post #46 of 56

hijack.gif  I've never been to Colorado, just BC and Alberta. Tell me about Colorado tree skiing. smile.gif

post #47 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post



I agree; this is a terrible video for a tree-newbie to get any useful information that will actually adequately prepare them to enter the glades.  So I personally agree the video is pretty dumb.

 

Having said that, the video is just that... a ski-magazine instructional stub that really serves little purpose.

 

 

Josh, I really enjoy your controversial threads, and if this is that I have no problem.  But I hope it is just that and you actually don't think this video was meant to be appreciably-instructional, nor that it is a comprehensive showcase of Mr. Rogan's tree-skiing abilities.

 

the whole thing is a troll, a semi serious troll. but I love to watch people get mad over meaningless stuff? 

 

did anyone ski today? 
 

 

post #48 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post

 

the whole thing is a troll, a semi serious troll. but I love to watch people get mad over meaningless stuff? 

 

did anyone ski today? 
 

 



I skied today.  My skiing included GS groomer turns in soft spring snow, "eastern tree skiing" with bumps, and some moguls (I suck at mogul skiing, but I'm working on it.  The bumps in the trees are adequately spaced to be easy, but plentiful enough to enjoy the air you get hopping from one to the next smile.gif)

post #49 of 56

Chainsaw? If he was any good he could clear it with Machete.

post #50 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost View Post



I skied today.  My skiing included GS groomer turns in soft spring snow, "eastern tree skiing" with bumps, and some moguls (I suck at mogul skiing, but I'm working on it.  The bumps in the trees are adequately spaced to be easy, but plentiful enough to enjoy the air you get hopping from one to the next smile.gif)



I like the distinction between bumps and moguls. To paraphrase "I enjoy bumps but suck at moguls." Haha. Me too! Sounds like you had fun day. Bumps in the trees, yeah I think for years now, trees and hike to areas get skied. There may be secret stashes, but generally the idea that trees, unless they are really tight trees, will be untracked a long time after the open terrain is tracked out is a bit dated.

post #51 of 56

I ski everyday and get paid to do it.  Get over yourself.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post

 

the whole thing is a troll, a semi serious troll. but I love to watch people get mad over meaningless stuff? 

 

did anyone ski today? 
 

 



 

post #52 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post

 

the whole thing is a troll, a semi serious troll. but I love to watch people get mad over meaningless stuff? 

 

did anyone ski today? 
 

 


Funny, once everyone calls you out, now it is was a joke on your end. Classless. I find it unbelievable that you even said that Rogan doesn't even live up to your (lofty) standards. I truly hope one day you will learn to respect the sport as the professional you pretend to be, you will be so much better for it. You really don't get it do you. nonono2.gif

 

post #53 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzledVeteran View Post

You remind me of a kid who makes Law Review and graduates Summa Cum Laude, and thinks that makes him an outstanding lawyer in real law practice.

Reminds me of Rush Limbaugh.
post #54 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post


Funny, once everyone calls you out, now it is was a joke on your end. Classless. I find it unbelievable that you even said that Rogan doesn't even live up to your (lofty) standards. I truly hope one day you will learn to respect the sport as the professional you pretend to be, you will be so much better for it. You really don't get it do you. nonono2.gif

 


Pretty much sums it up. 

post #55 of 56

Yeah, screw watching Mike and Robin ski, I'd rather watch some nauseating POV footage of Josh hacking through some bushes in 'powder', oh wait...

post #56 of 56
Josh,    can you just enjoy skiing and other people skiing, without all the chronic technique picking?.   I mean when you watch a video do you ever look at what people are skiing or are you fixated on how they are skiing?     Sounds like you just don't have fun unless you can find a problem with a fellow skier out there....
Question, if you go skiing with someone and they are hucking cliffs and bombing chutes out side of your comfort level,  do you find yourself picking apart the technique that they are using?   In other words, if someone is out skiing you and they don't have perfect technique, do you consider them inferior or superior to you? 
Just curious as to what you are thinking when you call out people and other instructors on this site...
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: General Skiing Discussion
This thread is locked  
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › Mike Rogan does not know what tree skiing is.