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Is it the snow, the skis or me?

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A little while back I posted about the Kendo vs the Lord cause they seemed to have a similar sidecut but one had a rocker etc.  I ended up buying the Volkl Kendo's in a 184. I'm not sure if i was super impressed though, to me they seemed a lot harder to turn.

 

I started off with my Volkl AX3's (108-70-96) now I mainly ski on my Salomon Czar's (131/111/121) rockered twin tip regular camber I think. I really wanted the Volkl Kendo's (127/88/109) I liked the design, I figured they could replace my AX3's and with 88mm underfoot they would float a little better. I'm not super educated on ski engineering though. 

 

I went up to Crystal Mountain WA, it was a really crappy day snow quality wise, they just got a foot and a half 3 days ago, but I think it rained the day before, it was icy in the morning and heated up later. I only got to ride the Kendo's for 2 hours but basically off piste it was a deep crusty crappy type snow, most of the advanced runs were hard bumps that softened up a little bit, even the groomed runs were a little bumped out.

 

I am not sure if I just had poor technique.... or if it was the conditions... or if it's the Kendo's.. but I felt that even my Salomon Czar's which are much bigger would have been easier to ski and turn. I will say, flying down flats or cat tracks the edge was great, I was impressed, but If i ever felt myself get back, I could really feel the ski run out from underneath me like it wanted to go and fast, which I like to go fast... maybe I was just lower energy that day or something, I was having a harder time staying forward/centered but they just seemed harder to turn or different than my other 2 skis.

 

I got such a great deal on them, I could probably resell them and still make 150 dollars (If i did it in the next few weeks that is) But i'm not sure, do you think I will grow into them and like them? I wanted something a little thinner than my Czar's to have fun with, a little quicker edge to edge, something fast, holds a good edge, but can still take me in the trees and off piste when I want. I figured the Kendos would be what I wanted. So what do you think, is not the right ski, is it my technique or was it the snow.

 

Anybody have any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by alpine_wonder View Post

...but If i ever felt myself get back, I could really feel the ski run out from underneath me like it wanted to go and fast, which I like to go fast... maybe I was just lower energy that day or something, I was having a harder time staying forward/centered but they just seemed harder to turn or different than my other 2 skis.

 


Answered your own question. Czars are easier because they're, well, easier. More forgiving of body position wandering, and the rocker makes them easy to pivot even from the back seat. Kendos have a stiff tail, so if you get back on it, you're off to the races. If you stay forward, they'll turn nicely. Suggest you talk to an instructor, take a lesson or two on how to keep your skis under you. 

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My apologies...  so what is the good thing about having a stiff tail in favor of a more forgiving ski? Will it actually go faster than the Czar's or is that why it grips the snow better etc?

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Well...the stiffer tail will give it more pop (assuming you can load it) at the exit of the turn, because the greater resistance (if overcome) can store more energy, and in general, a stiffer ski like the Kendo will be grippier and more stabile on ice, more apt to hold the arc you ask of it regardless of what it comes across (think surface junk, crud, etc.) So it can go faster, in the sense of remaining stabile at higher speeds, as well as probably being grippier. This is all complicated by lateral vs. longitudinal stiffness, other issues, but you get the idea. 

 

The recommendation for a lesson is just that forgiving rockers like the Czar can get you into bad habits if your skiing isn't already pretty strong. Doing some stuff with retraction turns, getting your center of mass down the mountain instead of behind your bindings, can end up helping you even with an "easy" ski like the Czar. Some very good skiers ski very forgiving skis at silly speeds because they understand just how to make them work best. Lessons are a really really nice thing for making you appreciate your skis' capabilities more....

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Yeah, I can ski most any terrain out there, I just can't do short cliff drops or tricks, but I would probably benefit from a lesson. I haven't really taken any formal lessons, skied a lot, did research, read books on weight shifting techniques etc, but yeah although I can get down most anything, my form might be a little sloppy. A lesson would be good.

 

The Czar is a fun ski, I'm thinking maybe I'll keep and like the Kendo, I was just thinking I would have a 2 week window probably to resell it at a slight profit and get something different if I wanted to. Fast and stable sounds fun. But I guess "easy" ski dosen't sound bad to the lazy in me either. It sounds like getting the Kendo going at speed will be fun. 

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My experience with the kendo is, if you are back-seating it, they'll let you know really quick, but if you're properly balanced, they're extremely stable.  Remember to keep those hands out in front of you.

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Kendos like to carve; I didn't have much fun pushing their stiff tails around when I skied them. If you are not tipping these to turn, I see no point of you keeping them. If you want to rail them down groomers and ski them properly, I highly suggest keeping them.

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Originally Posted by Spooky View Post

Kendos like to carve; I didn't have much fun pushing their stiff tails around when I skied them. If you are not tipping these to turn, I see no point of you keeping them. If you want to rail them down groomers and ski them properly, I highly suggest keeping them.



 

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