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Nordica Firearrow 74 EDT : 126-74-109, 180cm

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Stats:  6', 217 lbs, 60 yrs young, 36 years on the slopes, level 8 aggressive - skiing all => glades, groomers, bumps, steeps, 30+ days/season

Boots: Dalbello Krypton Pro

Additional Quiver: Volkl AC50, Volkl Goats,  Icelantic Shaman, Kastle MX88

Test Location: Killington Vt, 3/2-3 => spring conditions on 3/2 => winter zoomer groomers / hard pack / ice on 3/3

 

I bought the Nordicas to serve as a front side ski targeting Eastern hard pack / ice. For all else the MX88 I bought at the beginning of the season will be the chosen ones, except on "Shaman Big Dump Days".

 

The first day began on 2" of soft snow/fine sleet on a groomed surface and 31 F. After a few runs on the MX88's to allow for comparison I switched to the Nordicas. While I skied the Kastles with a centered stance I found the Nordicas responding best with forward pressure. The snow was soft so the outstanding edge hold was to be expected. Turns, both gs and slamon were equally easily initiated and stability at speed was excellent. As the snow became chopped the smoothness of the Kastles was replaced with some chatter but with forward weighting the control remained excellent and speed was still enjoyable. As the chop was replaced by spring moguls, now almost 50 and sunny, I was pleasantly rewarded with being able to charge with tight turns, blasting through the tops I hit without loss of stability or direction. The stiff tail was not noticed. In the trees, again able to quickly maneuver and carve easily through the soft snow. The MX88s were a better ski as the snow approached spring corn but the Nordicas also were more then satisfactory with only a somewhat more bumpy ride compensated with a forward stance. 

 

Day 2 opened at 23 F and all had been groomed to corduroy. First run was down Outer Limits and WOW !!!  Mixed slamon and gs turns reaching a speed that kept my SOLID attention but remaining rock stable. As the day progressed corduroy was replaced by hard pack which was then sprinkled with icy patches. These were the conditions I had bought the skis for. Edge hold remained excellent - much better then my Kastles or AC50s - as did stability at speed without losing any of the turning quickness experienced on the groomers. Bumps, although small, were definitely hard. Now the stiff tail would slap you if you even trifled with a back seat visit. Driving the tips into the tops of bumps was avoided but again, with a forward stance, I could make quick turns around the hard bumps.

 

Bottom line - as a high end front side ski I could not be more satisfied and the firearrows are a welcome addition to my quiver.

 

Falcon_0

 

PS - SJ and FD - thanks for your input helping me select a front side ski.


Edited by falcon_o - 3/7/12 at 4:02am
post #2 of 16

Very nice review, it's great to see the Nordica line getting a little more 'love'. They are really building some nice skis.

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I skied this in 172cm. Felt it to ski shorter as compared to a typical 170 Nordica. Nice ski for days with a little bit of snow, did not work well on firm snow and speed. Easy ski to ski, felt weak torsionally. Wouldn't recommend for hard snow, fast skiing, or expert skiers wanting a frontside, ski fast kinda ski.

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I skied this in 172cm. Felt it to ski shorter as compared to a typical 170 Nordica. Nice ski for days with a little bit of snow, did not work well on firm snow and speed. Easy ski to ski, felt weak torsionally. Wouldn't recommend for hard snow, fast skiing, or expert skiers wanting a frontside, ski fast kinda ski.


Interesting in that @ 6' and 217 lbs I found the 180's stable at pedal to medal speeds down steep groomers as well as having excellent edge hold on both hard pack and icy hard pack. This past weekend @ Killington some of my group - strong skiers -  complained on some steeps including Cascade and East Fall of having a hard time holding an edge to the point of crash anxiety while I was CARVING at SPEED and did not find the torsional characteristics noted on the 172. I also skied firm bumps and ventured into the woods. Except for some gladed close encounters of the wrong kind with Ninga attack stumps, I was equally comfortable as on the icy steeps. Thus I found the 180 a very different ski then that reported for the 172 and would definitely recommend it as a advanced/expert front side ski for high speed and strong edge grip. Learning Experience - DEMO DEMO DEMO - to insure it works for you !!!

 

Falcon_O aka Charlie

 


Edited by falcon_o - 3/12/12 at 7:33am
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Interesting in that @ 6' and 217 lbs I found the 180's stable at pedal to medal speeds down steep groomers as well as having excellent edge hold on both hard pack and icy hard pack. This past weekend @ Killington some of my group - strong skiers -  complained on some steeps including Cascade and East Fall of having a hard time holding an edge to the point of crash anxiety while I was CARVING at SPEED and did not find the torsional characteristics noted on the 172. I also skied firm bumps and ventured into the woods. Except for some gladed close encounters of the wrong kind with Ninga attack stumps, I was equally comfortable as on the icy steeps. Thus I found the 180 a very different ski then that reported for the 172 and would definitely recommend it as a advanced/expert front side ski for high speed and strong edge grip. Learning Experience - DEMO DEMO DEMO - to insure it works for you !!!

 

Falcon_O aka Charl

 

Demo, that's true! That ski was fun but once I got it on firm, frozen corduroy it just gave way and felt like it was twisting, flexing, and sliding out, just not enough torsional stiffness for me. I'm about 70lbs. less than you and 3 inches shorter so the 172cm length seems appropriate. I did like it fresh, man made snow bumps, or in some man made snow.

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Demo, that's true! That ski was fun but once I got it on firm, frozen corduroy it just gave way and felt like it was twisting, flexing, and sliding out, just not enough torsional stiffness for me. I'm about 70lbs. less than you and 3 inches shorter so the 172cm length seems appropriate. I did like it fresh, man made snow bumps, or in some man made snow.


How was the tune ? On firm, frozen corduroy my 180's held firm with none of the twisting, flexing and sliding out you experienced. My Firearrows are new with last weekend being days 3 & 4 skied and the tune was excellent with a flat base and razor edges. My weight may be a factor in being able to transfer more force when setting an edge but it doesn't explain the torsional difference we experienced. A base high ski would slide but not twist & flex. If you were demoing are you sure you were on the  Firearrow 74 EDT's (black with green highlights) vs the softer Firearrow 74 (orange with black highlights) ?

 

Falcon_O aka Charlie

 

post #7 of 16

cc1, what do you ski on now and what have you demoed that you would say perform better?

 

post #8 of 16

I ski on the Spitfire Pro 170cm.  I demoed the Firearrow 74 EDT, black one w/the carbon piece in front of the binding. I was told in the shop that it's a weak ski for my style but I wanted to try it anyway.

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Originally Posted by cc1 View Post

I skied this in 172cm. Felt it to ski shorter as compared to a typical 170 Nordica. Nice ski for days with a little bit of snow, did not work well on firm snow and speed. Easy ski to ski, felt weak torsionally. Wouldn't recommend for hard snow, fast skiing, or expert skiers wanting a frontside, ski fast kinda ski.



If this was the FA 74 EDT.............this jus don make no sense a-tall.

 

SJ

post #10 of 16

This was the Firearrow 74 and it made total sense. Weak ski torsionally, longitudinally soft with some stiffness in front of the binding. Not a bad ski, not a great ski, definitely not for hardpack, or fast speeds, 172 felt short.

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This was the Firearrow 74 and it made total sense. Weak ski torsionally, longitudinally soft with some stiffness in front of the binding. Not a bad ski, not a great ski, definitely not for hardpack, or fast speeds, 172 felt short.


CC1

 

? Firearrow 74 ?

 

Firearrow 74.JPG

 

? Firearrow 74 EDT ? => ski I reviewed and found performing very differently then what you reported

 

Firearrow 74 EDT.jpg

 

post #12 of 16

The EDT, the bottom ski in the pic is the one I skied.

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The EDT, the bottom ski in the pic is the one I skied.


Thanks for confirming - still do not understand the torsional weakness, sliding and poor edge hold you experienced as mine experience, as described, was just the opposite. It will forever remain one of life's mysteries !!!! Unless, anyone else who has skied the 2012 FA74 EDT, can post their take.

 

Falcon_O aka Charlie

 

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Thanks for confirming - still do not understand the torsional weakness, sliding and poor edge hold you experienced as mine experience, as described, was just the opposite. It will forever remain one of life's mysteries !!!! Unless, anyone else who has skied the 2012 FA74 EDT, can post their take.

 

Falcon_O aka Charlie

 


I concur with your take.  In fact, one of the main differences between the FA 74 and 74 EDT version is much more torsional stiffness.  I've decided to wait for the 84 EDT version next year, as I'm a western guy.

 

post #15 of 16

Well, it's actually only torsionally stiffer in front of the binding, so the tail feels like it's going to spin out at the end of turn instead of hold and draw you through the turn. Felt like the ski got thrown around a bit on the firm stuff, when I hit some irregular firmed up snow. I prefer the Spitfire Pro EDT but that's strictly an on piste groomed firm snow ski, in the bumps, with poor technique it can rocket a skier as it doesn't bend much in front of the binding, requires different technique in variable terrain. For my east coast ski, it's my go to ski, Dobermann Spitfire EDT.

 

post #16 of 16

You're right that it only has carbon in front of the binding, but actually, the whole ski, including the tail, feels significantly burlier than the plain FA74, so I suspect something is going on besides just the carbon piece up front.  I'm still with the OP.  The FA74 EDT is a flat out ripper, while the regular version would be a great ski to take the advanced carver to the next level.

 

I'd like to try the Spitfire sometime.  Don't run into them very often.

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