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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I'm currently in some old Rossi 9x 188cm and I ski 90% grommers. 5'11 170lbs advanced/low level expert. I ski in the Los Angeles area which is like the east coast at times.
I demoed some Kendos in a 163 (only size avail at the time) at mammoth ca and it was the most fun I've had on skis in a while. They were quick and carved as well to me as my 9yr old in short or longer arcs.

off edge at speed, the tips did flap around a bit but once I got used to the metallic sound they made, the Kendo's just simply tore up the front side in a ear to ear grinning fashion.

Was going to look for a shorter radius gs cheater to replace the 9x but I think I'm going kendo instead.

I did not feel they had a speed limit for me but it obviously is not as dampened at speed like a race They cut thru crud very nicely and the short length worked well on steep moguls.

Question: Should I demo the 170, 177, 184 1st before I buy or will the longer lengths spoil a bit of the fun I had on the 163's?

Regards. Charles
post #2 of 12

I'm exactly your size and have the kendo in a 177 - no regrets - the extra length makes them even more stable at speed and I can still cut tight turns no problem.  And I believe this year's model has early rise (?) which will make them ski a bit shorter than my 2011 version.

post #3 of 12

I have 20 lbs on you, same hieght, have the ski in 177cm, LOVE it. I have not found it's speed limit, and enjoy it in the bumps. A few members here have skied with me and know I'm not afraid of speed.

 

I have it with the Salomon 912 Ti binding, makes the ski very light. It may give up a little edge hold over other bindings on that ski, but the light weight is a major plus. Both these skis weight less then one of my AC40's.

 

I have had mine for over a year now. Skied it yesterday in the death cookies and frozen bumps after Saturdays rain. The ski handles anything with ease.

 

I have skied the Nordiac Stedfast, which I thought felt heavy. The Salomon 90 which is next years ski was close in feel. I suppose if it had my tune it would have skied more like my Kendo's.

 

When I demoed a Kendo in 170cm a month ago with the demo binding, it had better edge hold but was no where near as intuitive as my Kendo's. When I gave them back, I asked the guy if they were de-tuned ? he said yes.

 

I guess people still haven't learned how to tune a shaped ski.

 

 

 

 

post #4 of 12

I'm about your size (20 lbs lighter) and the 170 works perfect for me.  There is no speed limit that I could find and stability is not even a thought. Not sure if you should go with the 177 or 170 due to your weight; however if the 163 seemed stable enough for you, i would recommend going to 170 as you are giving up some nimbleness with the 177. Just my opinion YMMV.

post #5 of 12

I am about your weight, and my preference is the 177 length.  The Kendo felt very springy.  At higher speeds, I would had preferred something more damp, but that's just me.

 

If you want to try something a bit more damp at higher speeds, try a 178 Atomic Nomad Crimson Ti or a 174 Blizzard Magnum 8.7 Ti.  Or you can try a modern GS cheater ski.

 

Dennis

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Originally Posted by Denny1969 View Post

I am about your weight, and my preference is the 177 length.  The Kendo felt very springy.  At higher speeds, I would had preferred something more damp, but that's just me.

 

If you want to try something a bit more damp at higher speeds, try a 178 Atomic Nomad Crimson Ti or a 174 Blizzard Magnum 8.7 Ti.  Or you can try a modern GS cheater ski.

 

Dennis

 


 

 

If he goes with one of those skis, he'll be giving up the softer tip that is the one reason for this ski. It hit's the bumps or crud snow and asbsorbs some of the impact without being to soft like my Salomon Gun's.

 

It's a fine line between a stiff tip that blast through the crud and beats you up in the bumps and to soft of a flex that gives up to much when blasting through crud at speed.

 

I fine the Kendo to be a good compromise. It's hard to find one ski that will do both great.

 

There are times when I want my AC40's blasting through the spring time crud at high speed. There are other times when the Kendo's snake through the cut up ungromded snow at speed.

 

Here's a story from last weekend, The 4 of us get to the top of "off the rim" at Okemo, ungromed natural snow. It's about 10:20AM, A group of about 10 skiers had just taken off down the run about 30 seconds before the 4th guy skis up to me and say's, "ok, here's the challange. Can you get to the bottom before them." I thought for about 15 seconds and said See Ya at the bottom.

 

That was a great run at speed through the spaced out, cut up soft crud bumps. I beat them and the couple of other skiers and boarded we didn't see from the top. The Kendo's did awesome.


 

 

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

Was the only change from last year, the Graphics on the Kendo?

 

Thx

post #8 of 12

I personally didn't like the Kendo. I found it to not have much life to it although its edge hold was great because it's built like a GS ski. At your height and weight, I'd go with either 170 or 177 - 170 for a more slalom feel and 177 if you want to rip GS turns.

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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

I'm exactly your size and have the kendo in a 177 - no regrets - the extra length makes them even more stable at speed and I can still cut tight turns no problem.  And I believe this year's model has early rise (?) which will make them ski a bit shorter than my 2011 version.


Pretty sure that the 2013 model will have/has the early rise.
 

 

post #10 of 12

Yes, only the top skin as far as I know, but I did think I read the someone thought they rockered the tip.

 

As for not life, I think he's talking about pop out of the turn ? btbenjo, is that what you mean or the fact that they don't have alot of camber ?

 

I have skied Atomic skis, when I was younger and found them to give back more then you put in. I now look for a ski that gives me back what I put in.

 

Yesterday I was skiing in the death cookies under the lift having a great time on the Kendo's doing short radius turns the whole way down. Pretty much every turn felt the same as the one before.

 

 

post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 

Perhaps it's just my skiing style but I was ripping GS turns on the 163's without the thigh burning effort required on my Rossi 9X's . Sounds like I need to try a 170 or 177 though before i pull the trigger....  Maybe it was just the big difference in going from an 188cm race ski to a lightweight 163 w/marker Griffons that made me feel like superman! The 9x with the Axial/plate is a heavy set up.... My boots are already light (Flexon comps) 

kendo flexons.PNG

post #12 of 12

I'm another fan of the Kendos. Used them at a demo day and took them for a run simply because the goats I wanted to demo were out, and they were by far the best hard-snow ski I tried. Really a great feeling ski.

 

Get the 177, if not the 184.

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