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post #1 of 11
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that carves well?

 

thanks

post #2 of 11

No fully rockered ski is going to carve well? Full rocker doesn't play well with 2D snow.

post #3 of 11

Well, first, it pays to define what you mean by fully rockered. Most of the folks I know use it to describe any ski with both meaningful tip and tail rocker. Including flat middle, cambered middle and true full reverse camber. 

 

Second, it pays to define carve. Do you mean "carve" with a little c, or "Carve" with a big c? If you get my drift. There are many, many fully rockered designs that carve well enough. But they are not going to Carve the way a pure carve oriented ski will.

 

Also, it is not just about waist width. It is about how that factors into the overall design. A fully rockered ski with a lot of sidecut and a big fat engagable tip is a very different beast than a similarly waisted ski with a narrow tip and tail and minimal sidecut length. So it is not just about narrow. It is about total design.

 

So, the real question is what is it you want to do? And how does narrow fit into that?

 

post #4 of 11

Have you looked at the Volkl RTM 80? Tip and tail rocker with no camber.

post #5 of 11

Volkl RTM 80/84. Both are fully rockered, 80 and 84mm underfoot, which by today's standards is quite narrow. Both carve very well.

 

The 80 however, is advertised as full rocker but is basically flat underfoot, with slight tip and tail rise.

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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

Well, first, it pays to define what you mean by fully rockered. Most of the folks I know use it to describe any ski with both meaningful tip and tail rocker. Including flat middle, cambered middle and true full reverse camber. 

 

Second, it pays to define carve. Do you mean "carve" with a little c, or "Carve" with a big c? If you get my drift. There are many, many fully rockered designs that carve well enough. But they are not going to Carve the way a pure carve oriented ski will.

 

Also, it is not just about waist width. It is about how that factors into the overall design. A fully rockered ski with a lot of sidecut and a big fat engagable tip is a very different beast than a similarly waisted ski with a narrow tip and tail and minimal sidecut length. So it is not just about narrow. It is about total design.

 

So, the real question is what is it you want to do? And how does narrow fit into that?

 


No that is not really what is said...I don't think.  I asked narrowest FULL rocker that carves well!  I know that a NON fully rockered ski will not carve as well as say a carving ski.  If it skis poorly but better than other rocketed skis that is what I am looking for!

 

post #7 of 11
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Yeah I meant a non rockered ski will carve better than a full rocketed ski on piste.

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No that is not really what is said...I don't think.  I asked narrowest FULL rocker that carves well!  I know that a NON fully rockered ski will not carve as well as say a carving ski.  If it skis poorly but better than other rocketed skis that is what I am looking for!

 


 

As I said, with a few exceptions, most folks take full rocker to mean the spectrum from a hybrid with meaningful tip & tail rocker, up to full reverse camber. 

 

 

Do you mean a full reverse camber ski? If so, why that specifically?

 
post #9 of 11

Bushwacker is 88 but not full rocker.  Probably best performance out there for terrain to powder.

 

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hey Spin,  I am thinking about buying a fully rockered ski, not quite center mounting the binding and seeing how it performs.  It may be a terrible idea but I am just screwing around.  I am not going to buy a terribly expensive ski for my experiment.  I have a theory of sorts.  I feel that not enough time is spent on the someones specific physical make-up before buying a ski.  I think there is more to how a ski and skier perform other than weight, height, skiing ability.  

 

 

post #11 of 11

The Klint Noise is about as narrow of a ski with rocker that I am aware of. It is not reverse camber, it has rockered tip and tail. (Spindrift is rightfully trying to get you to give your definition of "full rocker", there aren't any 'official' definitions, even if people want there to be. You have to be clear about what you are asking for. 'Rocker', 'early rise', et al are marketing terms, not defined 'things'.)

 

http://www.klintsnow.com/noise.html

 

NoiseTechSheet.jpg

At 111mm- 73mm- 92mm, this is the narrowest ski with significant rocker that I know.

 

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