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Ski Locks... "safeman"...?

post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 

Just got my first ever new pair of Skis and am planning to lock them as this was a major purchase for me and my personal budget, so:

 

thinking of getting "Safeman" lock, looks very well designed and one of the sturdier (bigger cable) of the 'deterrent' locks (yes, any lock can be cut, but Im thinking this one is at least better than the the really thin wired locks which would be easy to cut one-handed).

 

anyone use the Safeman or have another lock to recommend...?

 

thank you,

nervous Nelly

post #2 of 32

Has anyone with any type of  lock still end up with their stuff stolen (at least on the mountain)?

 

Put your skis next to other skis that look fancier...

post #3 of 32

or better yet, keep an eye out on your skis...

post #4 of 32
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

Has anyone with any type of  lock still end up with their stuff stolen (at least on the mountain)?

 

Put your skis next to other skis that look fancier...



 

I think  that is a good question!  Can't imagine someone trying to cut a cable when there are other choices.  But maybe a new set of BMX's may draw that attention.

post #5 of 32
Thread Starter 

of course if they want them they will get them, mine are mid range about $550 (which is alot to me), so i just want the deterrent factor.  

 

as for keep an eye on my skis as some have suggested, hard to do that if i decide to eat indoors, so i dont see that as an option for a week trip

 

as for switching skis out, if some scummy grommet wants your skis and watches you rack one, then walk away with one ski to another spot... to me thats like yelling to anyone witnessing it that you are not going to be in eye sight of your skis for enough time to have that stolen, so i want the lock.

post #6 of 32

Point of my post was, my perspective is ANY lock as deterrent is good enough for ski slopes.  If you want extra deterrent, putting your locked skis next to fancy unlocked skis or well viewed place is the way to go;  not by buying a tougher/more expensive lock.  

 

The lock industry is scaring you into buying their more expensive products, when their basic products provide the same benefit.  

 

It is like how the surge protector companies will continuously outdo each other saying $50k warranty, $100k warranty, $250k warranty, $1M warranty; all stuff you can't use.

 

However, I will say If you're also planning on using this lock elsewhere, perhaps also for your bike, then spending for better security may be worth it.


Edited by raytseng - 3/1/12 at 4:25pm
post #7 of 32

I bought a SKI KEY and all of my area resorts have lockable racks for these types of locks. $20 bucks is cheaper than a bad day of not skiing or skiing on crappy rentals. Besides twenty bucks is far cheaper than your homeowners deductible for which my buddy just claimed when his first trip out post new $1000 skis were gone before he got back from the ticket counter.  I use my lock on the snowboard rack and I can lock two sets of skis with just one lock.

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post #8 of 32

Hi,

 

Many times it is not necessarily theft, but people picking up the wrong set of skis which are the same brand as theirs. This is particularily a problem if your skis are a type that are used in rental shops in your area. In these circumstances any type of lock will prevent it.

 

I was using a simple retractable combination lock. I locked my skis up for lunch at the mid mountain lodge. Unfortunately the combination lock jammed and I couldn't get it undone. I went to ski patrol and explained the situation. One of them lent me his leatherman which had a file. It took me about 5 minutes of filing to get through the wire. During that time I think probably a couple of hundred people walked by, and not one person asked me what I was doing. When I was finished, I dropped the leatherman back, and the patroller asked me "they are your skiis aren't they?".

 

Bottom line, any lock will prevent accidental theft. If somebody really wants your skis they will get them, and people don't seem to blink an eyelid when they see someone cutting a lock!

 

Robbo

post #9 of 32

I stole a pair of skis and poles the first time I went night skiing. Grabbed "my" stuff off the rack and walked 100 yards to the lift before I noticed in the better light that I had the wrong stuff. The size and colors were right, but the graphics and logo were wrong. I hustled back and put them where I thought I found them, then found my real stuff and got out of there. Now I use a lock just to keep someone else (or me again) from making the same mistake.

post #10 of 32

Ski check is a couple of bucks...

post #11 of 32
Ok, explain this to me like I'm a 6 year old. You guys that are using the retractable locks are you using them on only the ends of the ski rack with the lock wrapped around the bindings ?
Edited by Weedsnager - 3/1/12 at 10:13pm
post #12 of 32

I lock my skis all the time with a simple retractable lock. The key is getting one with a long enough cable. Most places it is easy to find a spot - I place the skis on the rack run the cable around something (usually a cross member or on a Ski Key system around the lower brackets) then through one binding (where on the bindings varies by type - Atomics are the worst) wrap once or twice around the poles, through the other binding and then plug into the combo lock system. If you have the type with 2 end pieces and no cross members, and no brackets near the bottom and the end spots in use, you sometimes need to turn the skis up side down to get the bindings near the top cross member. This is the case with the new racks at Stowe but other than there, I have been able to lock mine everywhere else without any big issues.

post #13 of 32
Which ones have a long enough cable to do what you described?
post #14 of 32

I think mine is called Gale Force. It is not that long - between 3 and 4 feet I think. But many I have looked at are a lot shorter, length is my main criteria because, as others have said, you just want to make you skis less appealing than the unlocked skis.

post #15 of 32


I'd get one of these if I knew the place I was traveling to had them.

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Originally Posted by FETC2007 View Post

I bought a SKI KEY and all of my area resorts have lockable racks for these types of locks. $20 bucks is cheaper than a bad day of not skiing or skiing on crappy rentals. Besides twenty bucks is far cheaper than your homeowners deductible for which my buddy just claimed when his first trip out post new $1000 skis were gone before he got back from the ticket counter.  I use my lock on the snowboard rack and I can lock two sets of skis with just one lock.

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Most cables are only as secure as what they're looped through.  If all you're doing is putting the cable through your ski brake then they don't need to cut the cable to steal your skis, just remove the brake with a phillips screwdriver. It is MUCH better than nothing, but a thicker cable makes no difference if it is just secured by the ski brake.

 

I have one of these from way back.  It was a master lock product that I believe they discontinued for unknown reasons.  I will be very bummed if it ever gets lost or breaks.  But I've managed to keep it in use since 1980.

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post #16 of 32

In my opinion, most ski thefts at resorts are grab and run.  Any $20 retractable ski lock will prevent that.  No need to go super duty.  Mine has a 40" cable which is long enough to string through 2 pairs of skis in case you are skiing with a friend who doesn't have a lock.

 

Now if you plan on locking your skis outdoors in a remote spot overnight or longer, I would consider one of those super duty locks, but otherwise it is a bit of overkill.

 

As always, YMMV.

 

Rick G

post #17 of 32

I agree, it's more of a deterrent for the most part, and gear check is for overnight, etc.  So something simple should do the trick, but the cable needs to be long enough to use on those more "open" style racks, and the lock mechanism can't seize up. 

 

Don't the combo locks tend to seize up in the outdoors (snow, rain, ice) after awhile and become useless?  Anyone use a key lock with retractable cable system?

post #18 of 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedsnager View Post

Ok, explain this to me like I'm a 6 year old. You guys that are using the retractable locks are you using them on only the ends of the ski rack with the lock wrapped around the bindings ?

Through the heal brake sections and around each of my poles, you would need to cut the cable to even steal my poles. Mostly I use the ends of the racks cause those cables are too short. Never had anything stolen, one of my friends board got stolen without a lock.

Those insert locks for the racks are good, but not every rack on the mountain is like that (cheap bastards) Now if every single rack had that option I would defiantly buy one.
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by huhh View Post


Through the heal brake sections and around each of my poles, you would need to cut the cable to even steal my poles.


 

????

Removing the the brakes wouldn't compromise the security?

Are you doing something like this with the cable?

 

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If I saw someone untangling that mess I wouldn't know if they had the lock combo or key (rightful owner) or whether  or they were picking it, cutting it, stealing it..

post #20 of 32

I use the Ski Key lock. Every place I ski at has the racks. When there aren't any vacant spaces, I will relocate an unlocked pair to the regualr rack in order to lock mine up.

post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Quote: Originally Posted by huhh Through the heal brake sections and around each of my poles, you would need to cut the cable to even steal my poles. ???? Removing the the brakes wouldn't compromise the security? Are you doing something like this with the cable? If I saw someone untangling that mess I wouldn't know if they had the lock combo or key (rightful owner) or whether or they were picking it, cutting it, stealing it..

Just through the popup heal section. Usually I just have to pull it from the otherwise to retract the cable. They key is not leaving slack in the cable, tightly around everything. I'll take a picture tomorrow when I lock up.
post #22 of 32

I use my Targus (Computer cable lock with alarm).  Screams like mad hissyfit.gifwhen someone plays with it and it has a steel cable.

post #23 of 32
Thread Starter 

just got my safeman in the mail today.  have to say, so far so good... cable is much thicker than those retractables and its way lighter and smaller than it looks, easily fits in a coat pocket etc....

 

http://lockitt.com/Lockitt/product/SPHL/CATC109.html

post #24 of 32

With cable only being only 2.5', is it gonna be long enough to use in the middle of the rack or will you just be able to use it on the end of the Rack?

post #25 of 32
Thread Starter 

just end of rack for sure, its just enought to go around the skis with the first loop and then the rack, theres a video on the link.  if i have to move a pair of skis over a few inches to get to use the pole, i dont think that should make anyone too mad, and theres no way im gonna be able to relax in the lodge for lunch or a beer with my new skis out there unlocked. 

post #26 of 32

This is how i usually lock up my skis/poles, it's on the end of the rack.  Never had anything stolen, but i feel better knowing they have to work for it.

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post #27 of 32

Here is the one I use, in fact I have several because they work well for bikes, tools, etc. As a bonus, their less than  $10. The cable is thin but heavy enough that is would take some time to gnaw through it, but still light and small enough to carry on your person.  Also, being a combo lock you don't always have to have a key on you, which I really think is a must.

 

http://www.onguardlock.com/?page_id=329

 

http://www.bike-locks.com/terrier-combo-7-5062

post #28 of 32

I usually ski with a friend and we will trade skis pairing one of mine with one of my friend's skis and then put the unmatched pairs in different locations. I always figured this would keep someone from accidentally taking my skis and also deter a thief because: a) an unmatched pair is not very useful and b) looking for the other set of unmatched skis would be a pain. Am I fooling myself that this system works or should I get a lock?

post #29 of 32
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Originally Posted by TallSkinnyGuy View Post

I usually ski with a friend and we will trade skis pairing one of mine with one of my friend's skis and then put the unmatched pairs in different locations. I always figured this would keep someone from accidentally taking my skis and also deter a thief because: a) an unmatched pair is not very useful and b) looking for the other set of unmatched skis would be a pain. Am I fooling myself that this system works or should I get a lock?



Locks are like $15, $20 at the mountain.  The one I use is an RC, it has a longer thicker cable than the smaller ones, a little heavier but it still fits in my pants pocket and i don't even notice it.   If you tend to put your skis on the racks it would be a good investment, but if you don't feel you do it much then what your doing is fine, not many people steal single skis...again they are only $15...

post #30 of 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by TallSkinnyGuy View Post

I usually ski with a friend and we will trade skis pairing one of mine with one of my friend's skis and then put the unmatched pairs in different locations. I always figured this would keep someone from accidentally taking my skis and also deter a thief because: a) an unmatched pair is not very useful and b) looking for the other set of unmatched skis would be a pain. Am I fooling myself that this system works or should I get a lock?


If you're lacking a lock, I think that's a great idea.  You're both just casually putting a pair of skis against the rack instead of each of you visibly separating your skis once at the rack.

 

99% of thieves are lazy (part of why they're thieves) and opportunistic.  They're not going to go through the hassle and added (albeit still minuscule) risk of apprehension searching for a second ski when there are so many complete sets immediately and easily available instead.

 

The bottom line is that any means of deterrance is better than nothing...

 

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