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Sir Francis Bacon's or Cochise

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I bought a pair of the 2011/2012 Line Sir Francis Bacons and have skied them out in Big Sky about 10 days.  Mounted with Maker Griffon.  I really like the ski for skiing around with my daughters but for hard charging they seem to be a little soft.  Would the Cochise be more stable than the SFB's?  I can pick up a pair of Cochise pretty reasonably.  Would it make sense to take the Griffon off the SFB's and put on a Cochise?  I think I could sell the SFB's.  I am somewhat new skiing over the past four years but have advanced pretty rapidly.  I love this site for information/tips.  It has made me a better skier.  Thanks in advance for any input.  

post #2 of 9

Here's a bump for you. I've been thinking about one of these 2 skis.

post #3 of 9

The Cochise are super stable and love to be driven, so yes.  Mine are mounted with Griffon bindings, so also yes.

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Haven't been on the Cochise, but as to whether or not you'd actually benefit from more stability than the SFBs offer, it would be helpful to know more about you (size) and skiing ability.  Having skied the SFB's, I think they're more than stable enough for any intermediate or advanced intermediate skier and many experts as well depending on skiing style and preferences.  As for their "hard charging" ability - it depends on how you define it.  I personally don't think the SFB's are a good choice for "hard charging" (i.e., insofar as I'm concerned, high speed big radius turns in variable snow with some good sized drops thrown in), but Eric Pollard would I'm sure beg to differ. 

 

Also bear in mind that the SFBs and Cochise almost certainly have completely different feels to them aside from just stability, so even if you do prefer the stability of the Cochises, that doesn't mean that you'd overall be happier with them over the SFBs.

 

 

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Thanks!!!!! I am 6 ft 200 lbs. I would say I am advanced intermediate and getting better quickly. When I say hard charging, I mean going with friends that are indeed experts and going on steep lines fast. I absolutely love the SFB's in trees and skiing around with my kids. Perhaps I give the SFB's more credit and more of a chance. Ultimately I may need another ski which is stiffer in addition to the bacons.
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I think you're on the right track - if you're improving that quickly, stick with your SFBs for a while longer while you improve and while you get a better sense as to the type of ski that either you need in lieu or of that you need in addition to the SFBs. 

 

One other point on the stability of the SFBs - I think that center mounted skis like the SFB are less forgiving at speed and in variable conditions than more traditional skis because the center mount and twin design make it necessary to keep a really centered stance.  This isn't as much of an issue at low or moderate speeds or on groomers or pow and does make the ski more pivoty and easier to turn, but at speed or in crud, chunder, etc., it lacks the tail to lean back on and the mount is too centered to pressure the tips, and doing either with result in a loss of stability.  If you stay really centered and can maintain your balance dynamically at speed and in variable conditions, however, the SFB is more stable then I think people give credit for, but that usually takes a relatively high skill level (again, I doubt that Eric Pollard has any issues with the stability of the SFBs).

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Thanks a million for the advice.  I do like the SFB's and have found that keeping the stance in the center does provide stability....it has just taken me awhile to figure it out.  I have just simply heard so many positive comments on the Cochise that I may end up taking a look at them.  It does seem a bit silly to have two ski's that are the same size??

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Originally Posted by Yeagema View Post

Thanks a million for the advice.  I do like the SFB's and have found that keeping the stance in the center does provide stability....it has just taken me awhile to figure it out.  I have just simply heard so many positive comments on the Cochise that I may end up taking a look at them.  It does seem a bit silly to have two ski's that are the same size??


 

Not silly if you would either ski both regularly or ski them just long enough to decide which one you prefer and then sell the other.  I kind of doubt that you would ski both regularly though, it being more likely that you would end up skiing one or the other most of the time.

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One more note about the Cochise: I'm 165 - 170 pounds and use the 185cm.  At your weight, and from what I've read/heard from others, you may want to consider the 193 size (which seems to be preferred by most people over 185 pounds).

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