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Lets start a "Good Older Skis to Buy" list.

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

 

 

So, my idea is basically this. Skiing is expensive, especially if you are buying all new gear for somebody.  On the whole, I'd say pretty tremendous advances have happened in skis the last few years, but that doesn't mean that there aren't older skis that aren't great skis. Still, there is also older equipment that just plain sucks, and this is the stuff that tends to make up 85% of consignment shops and ski swaps (almost always for ridiculous prices).

 

So lets talk about older model skis (5+ years) that still offer good performance, even by today's standards. I'm not really referring to classic ski equipment, but equipment an average person in the right conditions could really enjoy.

 

I think a list would be very appealing to people. Maybe somebody skiing primarily hard snow wants to pick up a cheap fat ski for use 3 times a year on a vacation to a larger mountain. In my case, I'd probably like a better hard snow ski for the 2-3 days out of the year where EVERYTHING is boilerplate where I ski, but I can't justify spending "real" money on a ski that just won't be used. 

 

In many cases, we advise people buying their first ski gear on a budget to budget boots first. It would be nice if there was a list of recommended equipment to look for in used skis.

 

 

So, to get things rolling, here are two of my recommendations for great older skis.

 

 

K2 Seth Pistols: twin-tip, 95 Waist, really, really versatile as an all mountain ski.  

Volkl Supersport T50/5 star: 68 mm waist. A very good frontside carving ski.

 

 

post #2 of 25

Umm...skis are like car tires.  They do wear out.  The edges get worn down, the "spring" or "life" gets used up etc...the best tire in the world, would suck once its worn to the threads...same with skis, the base model means so little as what you get after 5 years could easily be just a worthless shell of the skis former self.

post #3 of 25

Older used skis are a good option in my country. Many people feel the need to purchase a pair of skis because they are going on a ski trip and the skis end up in a cupboard for several years before ending up on ebay.

 

I would add Head monster im77's to the list. Touted as a do it all when all mountain meant 75-80mm.

 

I just had a pair of new Ninthward 187 THA's delivered to my front door in Oz for $207. They look and feel ok and am looking forward to taking them to the NZ club fields this southern winter.

 Some good deals around at the moment and I expect there will be more to come given the poor start to the US season

post #4 of 25

I also rate K2 public enemies as good all rounders and am keeping an eye out for a used pair for my son. Replacing his ebay troublemakers that have got him through  trips to Japan, Colorado and some local skiing.

 

post #5 of 25

craig i have a pair of pe's im trying to get rid of pm me if you are interested

post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

Umm...skis are like car tires.  They do wear out.  The edges get worn down, the "spring" or "life" gets used up etc...the best tire in the world, would suck once its worn to the threads...same with skis, the base model means so little as what you get after 5 years could easily be just a worthless shell of the skis former self.

 

Its pretty easy to tell how much use a ski has had (and how hard the use was). Furthermore, if I was on a budget, I'd take great used ski thats lost some of its pop over a crap cheap new ski that doesn't do anything well.

 

Your comment doesn't really have a whole lot to do with the topic- can we focus on the topic of recommending good older skis?

post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 

Its pretty easy to tell how much use a ski has had (and how hard the use was). Furthermore, if I was on a budget, I'd take great used ski thats lost some of its pop over a crap cheap new ski that doesn't do anything well.

 

Your comment doesn't really have a whole lot to do with the topic- can we focus on the topic of recommending good older skis?


I dont agree.  Many (most?) people do not appreciate that skis wear out and those that do, often dont appreciate by how much. 

 

For example the Kastle MX88 gets tons of love, the Head Monster 82, much less so.  However when these get to 5 years old, it would be far better to buy a lightly used 82 over a heavily used pair of 88s.

 

Sure an expert would prefer an old high end ski to a brand new beginner ski...but I think that is pretty obvious and not the point of this thread.  Make a list of great skis from 5 years ago if you think that is of value...but I think it isnt.

 

Of greater value might be to list skis that were great and are likley to last...ie skis that are wood core....but even that is weak.

 

The easiest way to accomplish your goal is to just read ski gear threads from 5 years ago.

 

But my point is you get what you pay for, and there is reason the resale is value on skis is low...
 

 

post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post

craig i have a pair of pe's im trying to get rid of pm me if you are interested


Thanks for the offer, however, the lad is only 12 so would need 159's.
post #9 of 25

The list is arleady made.  There are hundreds of skis on it. It covers skis from 1999 to 2012.  It will cost you $20 to look at it over on expertskier.com.

Maybe a little risk in buying used, but very good for buying new in plastic old-stock.

post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post


there is reason the resale is value on skis is low...

 

 



Same reason initial cost is high: marketing.

post #11 of 25

If you're looking for wider/charging skis here's a TGR thread from a year ago asking the same question.

post #12 of 25

craig you are in luck mine are 159's.

post #13 of 25

To answer your question, Ghost has beat me to it - www.expertskiers.com  Excellent site that's well worth the money.  I admit to like reading the reviews even for skis I know I'll never buy.
 

I have to comment on your quote, though.  There's a ski shop near me in NJ that has a old used ski section.  OLD and/or USED being the key words.  They have the nerve to ask in the $400 range for 5++ y/o skis that look like they were used more like 50, not 5 times.  Not even top of the line skis when new.  You can get one season old brand new skis with bindings in the wrapper from highly reputable sellers on Ebay for that price.
 

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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

Still, there is also older equipment that just plain sucks, and this is the stuff that tends to make up 85% of consignment shops and ski swaps (almost always for ridiculous prices).

 

 

post #14 of 25

You guys getting a commission from expertskier.com? smile.gif  Last couple of years, I've been picking up $20-$30 skis on CL for the bindings that I resell. Then I mount some nice  Tyroloia LD12's on them in my basement shop and try them out. Which do you suggest I mount up for my final runs of this season? The Elan PSX Titanium or the Dynastar Max Zero? Maybe the Fischer Alltrax Expedition would be a better choice as a softer ski for the spring crud/slush/corn here in the NE.

 

To me, skis are toys to play with.

post #15 of 25

^^ no commission, in fact they rake in $20 bucks a year from meeek.gif.

The did give me good advice that helped me decide on the spring left-over special $435 with bindings Fischer WC SCs, and the $99.99 Machete Gssmile.gif

post #16 of 25

like ghost said, the only five year old ski I want is still in plastic. I'm a furnituremaker. I don't loan tools. know why? tools and skis are like a tall glass of beer....every time you use them it's like taking a sip out of the glass. soon it's gone. and it's so sad when the glass is empty. frown.gif ..........     biggrin.gif

post #17 of 25

With all the caveats about worn-out skis, I'd nominate the Dynastar Legend 8000 as a good 80mm all-mountain ski.  They're my "old" skis and they did not disappoint when I pulled them out this past weekend.

post #18 of 25

my 4 nominees - all givin some ski nirvana to me this season

 

'00 K2 Axis Mod X Pros - 188 - when the going gets firm and variable and the ice rink gets tilted to 35+, these pups still rockin pneumonia...

 

'07 K2 Outlaws - 181 - when it's all Mtn with solid to soft, windbuff to death cookies and the Byrds 'turn, turn,  turn' is in your head, smooth like butta  - nice

 

'09 Elan M999 - 185 -  when it's a day for haulin freight, conditions be dammed, non-stoppers rule and the posse is all 30 yrs younger than you; hammer on...

 

'09 Fischer Cold Heats - 176 - when you wanna ski social, but also will have a session on your own. when you know eventually you'll make it to that rock infested pitch where cold steel still rules the ride. These are Shrek in ski form. Gentle, short when you're glidin on groomers or pow. Like the M999's when you put the whip to them. Their short stature belies their cold steel heart. A most surprising set of planks...

post #19 of 25

craig if u are interested in the PE's please pm me I'm trying to get rid of the things.

post #20 of 25
PM sent.
post #21 of 25

I haven't skied this much firm in a long time.  I'm rocking a pair of Head WC Cyber SL that might be 10 years old?

There are lots of good,  lightly used older boards around any ski town swap, that you can pick up cheap.  

post #22 of 25
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'09 Elan M999 - 185 -  when it's a day for haulin freight, conditions be dammed, non-stoppers rule and the posse is all 30 yrs younger than you; hammer on...

 

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not sure if I got the right label on the Elans - they are the 'woodgrain' ALU version... not the prior Black Full Twin Tips (very diff. ski from what I hear)...

post #23 of 25

Salomon 1080s...I still use the 181s as my early-season/rock ski. 

post #24 of 25

Older skis that were pretty classic and good ones to buy if you can find them in excellent shape:

 

Line Prophet - both the 90 and 100.

 

07/08 model Head iM88 (if they're used, look closely at the sidewalls)

 

09/10 Dynastar Legend Pro Rider

 

07 Rossignol B4

post #25 of 25

Atomic Red Sleds

Volant Machete Hucksters

Dynastar Legend Pro from 2006

 

and of course,wink.gif 1st generation  Kästle SGs (not Kästle SG-lite that came later)

 

 

 

 

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