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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

So I'm skiing Canyons Resort for 1 day next Friday and I know its a huge area.  What side of the mountain should I ski?  I'm leaning towards going straight to the Dreamscape/Daybreak area (left side) and staying there the whole day.  I'm a decent/above average intermediate skier.

 

Anybody skied the new Iron Mountain area?

 

Thanks

post #2 of 22

What are you looking for? If its mellow trees then you are going to the right place.

post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

From looking at the map, the runs look fairly narrow, but you can never tell from a trail map.  So if its just "mellow trees" and narrow slopes I may not go that route, but it looks like an area of the mountain with a lot of variety and less crowds.

 

I prefer wide open runs and can deal with some steep terrain as long as its not icy.

post #4 of 22

For steeps, Ninty-Nine Ninety.

 

For no crowds, Dreamscape/Dreamcatcher.

post #5 of 22

Iron Mountain Express has some decent intermediate/advanced intermediate runs with a little challenge here and there.  It is also one of the few areas at Canyons where you will end up at the bottom of the same lift you came up on when you take a run from the top :)

post #6 of 22

Was there today.  Some nice mellow glades and runs, good coverage. 

 

Consider looking at the weather before you decide that day.  Chose not ski Super Condor today (you may like that terrain too) due to the winds. See which way the wind is blowing, and go from there.

post #7 of 22

Tombstone Lift. Great Blue and Double Blue trails. Groomed and fun with a few ungroomed spots as well. Canyons sets the bar higher than the east coast so those blues and double blues are easily blacks in many areas where I ski in the east. No ice when I was there last month.

 

Johnny

post #8 of 22

You can stay on the "left" side and have a blast for a day.  But it really isn't difficult to ski eight of the nine mountains in one day.  I am assuming you prefer intermediate to advanced terrain, and don't want much tree skiing or expert-only runs.

 

Currently there are 164 trails open and all natural half pipes (hard to find on the maps...look closely).  As an "above average" intermediate you can probably handle the half pipes if you can get through a few bumps OK and handle some tight turns.  Yeah, I know you want wide open groomers but it would be a shame if you didn't ski at least one half pipe through the woods.  They are a blast.  Also, you won't have a problem skiing all the lifts in one day since lift lines are unlikely.  If you want to start on the Dreamscape & Daybreak side here are some ideas that will get you on all the mountains except 9900 (expert only):

 

1) Take the gondola to Red Pine, put on your skis and head over to Saddleback lift for a warm-up run going from Kokopelli into Pine Draw.  If you want to have fun duck into the half pipe you will see on the right (half pipe #5 on the map).  It is one of the easier ones at the resort.  The alternative (if you are comfortable on black diamonds) is to look at the trees to your right when you get off the lift.  The trees are just a facade! Go 10 yards through the trees and it opens up to some great runs (Ecstasy or The Pines just down the lift).  These runs are missed by almost all the tourists on Saddleback, and are the nuts on powder days when 9990 is temporarily closed for blasting.  When you ski out to the bottom keep skiing straight past the lifts over the bridge into Chicane, a long cruiser that will take you to Tombstone Express.

 

2)  You have two choices, taking Tombstone for a couple of runs or jumping on Timberline for a quick ride to Iron Mountain.  If you want to ski the whole resort in a day, I'd take the Tombstone Lift and then head over to the Peak 5 lift via Another World into Ripsaw (If you want black diamond runs or a bowl on a powder day, just look at the map).  Ski past 9900 (expert terrain only) and hit the Peak 5 lift. 

 

3) I love Mystic Pines, but if you want to stick to the intermediate runs just ski over to Dreamscape/Daybreak via Harmony (mostly an "access road" kind of trail), or by skiing Upper Crowning Glory to Royal to the Daybreak lift (right next to Dreamscape).  I find the runs off Daybreak to be undulating intermediate cruisers, but it is fun to see what is going on there.  Some of my friends who are of your ability love the runs because they never see anyone on them.

 

4)  You will have no lift lines on Dreamscape.  The runs are listed as blues but if there are moguls several runs can ski like east coast black diamonds.  When you skied a few runs there head over to Dreamcatcher.

 

5) Phantasm will give you the experience you are looking for, although you may miss it on your first run.  When the powder is good, Dreamcatcher takes a long time to ski out.  Anyhow, when you have had enough head over to Iron Mountain.

 

6)  Iron Mountain has more intermediate terrain than Dreamcatcher.  You have a choice between cruisers and trees.  Assuming you are hungry and want to ski two more mountains, head over to the Tombstone Grill via the Timberline Lift.  Wolf down a burger or BBQ brisket outside and head back up the Tombstone Express.

 

7)  The idea now is to get back to Red Pine, and there are two ways to do it.  The first is more direct, taking Sidewinder.  The second is by taking Red Pine Road, which is boring except for a natural half pipe on the right called Pinball Alley.  If you have the time, ski the half pipe because it is really fun.

 

8)  OK, only a few more mountains to go.  Red Pine Road flattens out and eventually runs into the Red Pine Lodge.  Go past the Lodge, ski to your right (under the gondola) to the Short Cut lift.  Take the lift and ski Sun Peak for a while (my favorite is Mine Shaft).  You have lots of options, with and without moguls.   Then ski past the bottom of the lift until it runs into the Super Condor Express.  If you take BOA, a long cruiser, look for another natural half pipe to your right called Canis Lupis.  It is more difficult than the other half pipes if you have issues controlling speed (see the Canis Lupis Challange videos on YouTube).  When you are almost ready to call it a day, ski to the base.

 

9) For good measure, take the Orange Bubble chair to the first spot you can unload, and ski a great cruiser called Doc's Run to the ski beach giving you bragging rights about how many mountains you skied in one day.

 

The Canyons used to be a pain to get around until Talisker came in, moved some dirt and added a few lifts.  Good signs are everywhere pointing you to the lifts you want.  There are even maps on the chairlift safety bars.   Follow my advice and as a "strong intermediate" skier you will cover 8 mountains in one day while experiencing some trails (e.g., the half pipes) most tourists never see.  All of the runs will be wide enough for you to ski comfortably except for the half pipes.  If you see moguls on Dreamscape or on Sun Peak and don't want to ski them,  just ski past the bumps to another run.

 

All the Park CIty resorts are a paradise for "strong intermediate" skiers like you.  The Canyons is unique because each mountain has a different personality, and what visitors usually don't see (like the half pipes) often times holds the opportunity for the most fun.

 

Here is a promo video off YouTube for the resort: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q8A_svg_W4&feature=related

 

and another one for Iron Mountain:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaauaQ1OrnM

 

and another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFrG1OO7kM8&list=UUyegHZbv-TMcQdmxJATPgDQ&index=9&feature=plcp

 

 

 

 


Edited by quant2325 - 2/26/12 at 12:22pm
post #9 of 22
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6)  Iron Mountain has more intermediate terrain than Dreamcatcher.  You have a choice between cruisers and trees.  Assuming you are hungry and want to ski two more mountains, head over to the Tombstone Grill via the Timberline Lift.  Wolf down a burger outside and head back up the Tombstone Express.......

 

 



I completely disagee......Have the BBQ brisket!!!

 

post #10 of 22
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I completely disagee......Have the BBQ brisket!!!

 


My bad...post edited to reflect a BBQ brisket.

 

post #11 of 22

quant2325 offers a great tour.  I'll say that as someone at your level or a little bit above it, i really enjoyed the area just to the skier's right of the Dreamcatcher lift.  Sure there were trees espacially at the top but they open up a lot real quick so it isn't too frightening.  I also found the food at Cloud Dine (at the top of Dreamcatcher/Dreamscape) to be pretty good.

 

 

Mercury on Iron Mountain is a great groomed cruiser run for opening it up and making good fast turns.  Its also nice that you likely will have almost no one on the slopes to get in your way.  I was here last year for President's Day weekend and while other areas of the mountain were smashed with people, you could ski onto the lift at Iron Mountain.

 

post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 

Awesome feedback guys....especially quant

 

I'll definitely scarf down something at the tombstone grill in your honor.

 

Thanks

post #13 of 22

When I go to an unfamiliar resort I try to see the all of the place instead of staying in one area of it.  Canyons is big but not so big that one could ski the entire mountain in a day.

post #14 of 22

Why would you want to ski the entire Canyons in one day? That's kind of ADD. It's possibly the most spread out resort in the country - you'll spend half that day riding lifts. Personally I'd rather spend my day skiing than strategically riding lifts and hiking to every corner of the mountain. I think the OP was right on in his strategy, especially for the Canyons.

post #15 of 22
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Why would you want to ski the entire Canyons in one day? That's kind of ADD. It's possibly the most spread out resort in the country - you'll spend half that day riding lifts. Personally I'd rather spend my day skiing than strategically riding lifts and hiking to every corner of the mountain. I think the OP was right on in his strategy, especially for the Canyons.


 

I like to see the entire resort; call it curiosity.  I recently went to Big Sky, which is larger than the Canyons, and skied the whole place.  If I hadn't checked out the entire resort then I would have left wondering what the part that I missed was like.  

post #16 of 22

I don't blame you for doing it, but I think the OP had the right idea.

 

The Canyons is slightly larger than Big Sky (unless you're talking BS + Moonlight) and it's spread across nine mountains instead of three. It has a bunch of different base areas, whereas it looks like most of Big Sky funnels down to the main base. Either one looks difficult to cover in a day, but The Canyons practically begs you to stay in one general area of the mountain. So if that's already what you plan to do, there's no reason to be convinced otherwise.

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I don't blame you for doing it, but I think the OP had the right idea.

 

The Canyons is slightly larger than Big Sky (unless you're talking BS + Moonlight) and it's spread across nine mountains instead of three. It has a bunch of different base areas, whereas it looks like most of Big Sky funnels down to the main base. Either one looks difficult to cover in a day, but The Canyons practically begs you to stay in one general area of the mountain. So if that's already what you plan to do, there's no reason to be convinced otherwise.


I've roamed all over the Canyons in a day.  Not saying I skied every square foot but I made my way around the place.  It didn't seem like that big of a feat.  I go solo, keep moving, and make route decisions pretty quickly though.  It might not be how you'd do it but that's how I do it.  I don't think either way is right or wrong.

 

Are you sure The Canyons is bigger than Big Sky?  Their websites claim 4000 skiable acres (Canyons) versus 5532 skiable acres (BS).

 

http://www.canyonsresort.com/information.html

 

http://www.bigskyresort.com/Activities/Winter/Biggest_Skiing_In_America.asp

 

post #18 of 22

That Big Sky figure is for Big Sky + Moonlight Basin - two separate resorts that I believe require an upgraded ticket. BS itself is around 3,800 and change, I believe.

 

Here: http://www.bigskyresort.com/Activities/Winter/Mountain-Stats-and-Trail-Maps.asp

post #19 of 22
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That Big Sky figure is for Big Sky + Moonlight Basin - two separate resorts that I believe require an upgraded ticket. BS itself is around 3,800 and change, I believe.

 

Here: http://www.bigskyresort.com/Activities/Winter/Mountain-Stats-and-Trail-Maps.asp



Hey, did The Canyons expand any in the last half decade?  I was last there in 2006.  Next visit will be in about three weeks, yahoo!

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Hey, did The Canyons expand any in the last half decade?  I was last there in 2006.  Next visit will be in about three weeks, yahoo!



They added 300 acres like a year ago.

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Hey, did The Canyons expand any in the last half decade?  I was last there in 2006.  Next visit will be in about three weeks, yahoo!



There were huge changes once Talisker got control of the resort from the under capitalized American Ski Company.   Iron Mountain added 300 acres of mostly intermediate groomers and gentle tree skiing giving Canyons bragging rights for being the 5th largest resort in the USA (I still think most people miss the best places to ski there).  More importantly there is almost no congestion at the base due to the new Orange Bubble lift and the repositioning the gondola. A direct two-way Tombstone - Iron Mountain lift was added (Timberline) .   IMHO there is now better grooming and non-grooming. Massive terrain parks are now available (not my cup of tea but I do like watching people fly).   Canyons added a "Ski Beach" and razed the buildings blocking the mountain view from the base.  The Waldorf and other nice properties were completed.  Cloud Dine was built where they desperately needed another on-mountain restaurant. John Murcko was hired ("Best Chef in Utah" by Salt Lake Magazine) to take over food operations (see: http://www.canyonsresort.com/dining.html ).  With Murcko on board the food has improved everywhere on the mountain and in the village.  Want a salad with "protein" for lunch at the Sun Peak Lodge?  It will look and taste lot better than what you will graze on elsewhere in Utah.  Want gourmet?  The Farm was just recognized as the "Best New Restaurant in Utah" and Talisker on Main as “Best Restaurant in Park City”.  There are at least four other excellent restaurants there including the only kosher bistro at a world-class ski resort.  Better signs were added and you can find trail maps on safety bars.  Better hiring and training resulted in the most helpful and professional staff I've experienced at a ski resort.  You will also notice a bunch of minor improvements  when you walk around the place.  Talisker has the vision and money to quickly make changes...and the changes came quickly. 

 


Edited by quant2325 - 2/27/12 at 11:46pm
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There were huge changes once Talisker got control of the resort from the under capitalized American Ski Company.   Iron Mountain added 300 acres of mostly intermediate groomers and gentle tree skiing giving Canyons bragging rights for being the 5th largest resort in the USA (I still think most people miss the best places to ski there).  More importantly there is almost no congestion at the base due to the new Orange Bubble lift and the repositioning the gondola. A direct two-way Tombstone - Iron Mountain lift was added (Timberline) .   IMHO there is now better grooming and non-grooming. Massive terrain parks are now available (not my cup of tea but I do like watching people fly).   Canyons added a "Ski Beach" and razed the buildings blocking the mountain view from the base.  The Waldorf and other nice properties were completed.  Cloud Dine was built where they desperately needed another on-mountain restaurant. John Murcko was hired ("Best Chef in Utah" by Salt Lake Magazine) to take over food operations (see: http://www.canyonsresort.com/dining.html ).  With Murcko on board the food has improved everywhere on the mountain and in the village.  Want a salad with "protein" for lunch at the Sun Peak Lodge?  It will look and taste lot better than what you will graze on elsewhere in Utah.  Want gourmet?  The Farm was just recognized as the "Best New Restaurant in Utah" and Talisker on Main as “Best Restaurant in Park City”.  There are at least four other excellent restaurants there including the only kosher bistro at a world-class ski resort.  Better signs were added and you can find trail maps on safety bars.  Better hiring and training resulted in the most helpful and professional staff I've experienced at a ski resort.  You will also notice a bunch of minor improvements  when you walk around the place.  Talisker has the vision and money to quickly make changes...and the changes came quickly. 

 


I can barely wait, thanks.

 

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