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Volkl Racetiger 185 WC GS, thoughts?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Have a chance to pick up a mint pair of 185 Racetiger WC GS skis with Marker race bindings for a song from a buddy needing tax money.

 

He only used them for Nastar and open cruising so they are absolutely mint....I think they are 2007/2008 model they are a beautiful red color. He says they are fast (I really like fast) and claims several silver and gold Nastar medals to prove it.

 

I am planning to start my Nastar career again and may move to beer league competition soon too if I can sort out my work/life balance issues.

 

My question is can this model be ski'd/ cruised on comfortable or is it a 40MPH all day all the time ski? They are marked as a 21' radius.

 

Curious for any comments from folks who have ski'd or own this model. Thanks!

post #2 of 15

I have the 06 Racetiger GS 185cm. Great NASTAR ski, the 21m radius is good for a typical NASATR course. Ski is fast, stable and has great edge hold. Very comfortable going fast, but also maneuverable at slower speeds. I find the ski is fairly light for a race stock ski, which may be normal for a 2006 race ski.

 

My son started skiing 2010/2011 183cm Racetiger GS (>23m) about a month ago. This is the women's FIS compliant ski. He loves the ski, moved from Gold to Platinum last week. This ski seems to need a bit more speed, but can cruise all day on firm to solid snow.

 

I think you will really like the 07 Racetiger, but be aware that 08/09 men's and 10/11 women's (23m) also should be available at good prices and may be good for NASTAR & beer league. 

post #3 of 15

185cm race stock GS skis seem like overkill for NASTAR unless you weigh over 200lbs and are an accomplished racer. I just bought a pair of 2007 185 cm Volkl 21m race stock for Rocky Mountain Masters racing in CO where most of the GS courses are FIS homologated. I used a pair of 180cm Volkl 2007 race stock GS skis for the Copper masters GS today. I use 175cm 19.5m non-FIS Atomic PB12 GS for NASTAR (I qualified for NASTAR nationals in platinum the last 4 years). I used my race stock skis at nationals each time and did poorly.  I'm 5'11" 165lbs. I am faster on a NASTAR course with non-race stock skis. A lot of the top racers in masters out here are on 183cm to 188cm race stock (some ran .05 to 4 HC against AJ at the Snowmass NASTAR Pacesetter trials). Unless you are at that level you might want to consider something a little less demanding for NASTAR. Some of the local single digit HC NASTAR fanatics I race with prefer 170cm to 180cm 17m to 19m non-race stock skis also. Note that the NASTAR standard calls for 18m gate spacing compared to a typical GS set of ~25m - 27m making the use of shorter turn radius skis seem more appropriate.

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Originally Posted by rcahill View Post

185cm race stock GS skis seem like overkill for NASTAR unless you weigh over 200lbs and are an accomplished racer. I just bought a pair of 2007 185 cm Volkl 21m race stock for Rocky Mountain Masters racing in CO where most of the GS courses are FIS homologated. I used a pair of 180cm Volkl 2007 race stock GS skis for the Copper masters GS today. I use 175cm 19.5m non-FIS Atomic PB12 GS for NASTAR (I qualified for NASTAR nationals in platinum the last 4 years). I used my race stock skis at nationals each time and did poorly.  I'm 5'11" 165lbs. I am faster on a NASTAR course with non-race stock skis. A lot of the top racers in masters out here are on 183cm to 188cm race stock (some ran .05 to 4 HC against AJ at the Snowmass NASTAR Pacesetter trials). Unless you are at that level you might want to consider something a little less demanding for NASTAR. Some of the local single digit HC NASTAR fanatics I race with prefer 170cm to 180cm 17m to 19m non-race stock skis also. Note that the NASTAR standard calls for 18m gate spacing compared to a typical GS set of ~25m - 27m making the use of shorter turn radius skis seem more appropriate.



 

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In general I agree the Non FIS compliant GS skis are very well suited to NASTAR and only the top racers can even think about using a 180cm+ / 27m ski, for the typical NASTAR course. The OP is looking at 21m ski, which I have recently found to work fairly well for me. I am 6-1 - 240# and was skiing mid to high 20 hcp. on 2010 Atomic Race GS D2 179cm / 18m radius, before trying the 2006 Racetiger GS 185cm / 21m. With the Racetiger my best hcp. has been a 16.32 and my average is down to 17.97. My Racetiger replaced the Atomic which has started to delaminate under the binding. Skiable, but probably not a good idea to race.  

 

 

post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

Update, the skis are 2006 Racetigers, appears same ski that dwbrookside is skiing on. Back in the day (ok waaaaay back in the dayredface.gif) I used to run Nastar on 208 Rossi 7G's. I am probably 6' and about 200# with boots on. My current primary skis are 170 Head i Supershape and 180 Volkl Explosiv.

 

Keep the thoughts coming I really appreciate it! 

 

dwbrookside, do you use the skis for freeskiing/ cruising as well? Is it possible to keep the speed down or do they just want to lock and run?  

post #7 of 15

unlike the previous poster... I cannot manage the 2007 racestock 190cm racetigers gs skis in our nastar courses. I am considerably faster with my atomic d2 gs 179cm skis.

 

I am 6'0" and 185lb. I run between 10-12 hcp on most coursesets with the cheater gs ski, trying to turn the 21m gs ski i have to cheat my turns and have major problems in the flats and run my fastest with them at 15.5 hcp.

 

I got them for a sogng though $100 with bindings no raceplates.

 

post #8 of 15
First, I wish I was 185 or even 200# in which case I might have a different opinion.

Second, it is important to remember that all NASTAR courses are not the same. My regular mountain (Windham) has a reasonably steady pitch with a 15 or 16 gate course that has recently been set fairly open. Pacesetters (7 - 9 hcp.) typically run 26 - 27 sec. on 191cm GS skis. Course is not long by USSA standards, but fair for NASTAR. For this course I have been consistantly faster on this 21m ski and think I can work to get better. On a steeper or tighter course I suspect a cheater GS would work well, maybe better.

I demo'd a few skis recently and found that this Racetiger worked well. With more training I feel that this is a ski I could improve with. Full disclosure, the other ski I did like was the non FIS Racetiger Speedwall. I was only able to try a 175cm which was a little short for me, but I did like the ski.

I have recently been skiing the 2006 Racetiger all day, mostly running NASTAR and cruising fast GS turns. The trail above Windham's NASTAR (Upper Wheelchair) has a fairly step drop in and small to medium size bumps (not sure how, we have barely had any snow) the Racetiger is not my first choice, but works fine. This ski is happy to go fast, but does not need much speed to ski comfortably.
post #9 of 15

Depending on your height and weight, those might be a little long.  I've 180cm Racetigers (never mounted) for sale.  PM me in you're interested.

post #10 of 15

I have the same ski - the marking is Radius >or= 21, which is to show that it was FIS compliant at the time. The actual radius with a 185 is more like 24 or 25.  Agree with the above comments that it is too much ski for a NASTAR course unless you are a very low handicap. It is very difficult to ski in the first several gates and you will definitely be giving up time there, however once you get the speed up it is incredibly solid, fun, fast, and thrilling to lay it up on edge and put the hammer down.

 

I got mine from a sponsored college racer and they were supposedly "race room" skis with an extra layer of metal so they may actually be different from the normal retail version. I am a high single digit racer, 6'3" and 215 lbs, and plan on going back to cheater skis after accepting the fact I am just not talented enough to make these skis work well early in the course. A guy who was very close to me in handicap and skied a FIS ski switched to a cheater ski this season and dropped 3+ points. He said lots of people were asking him what he was doing differently this year and his answer was, "nothing, just switched skis and the new cheaters are sooo easy to ski."  My guess is that I am going to miss the freight train feel these skis had but enjoy skiing the entire course and the lower handicap.

 

If the course where you race has a big, steep, start ramp and the first section of the run is steep so you can get lots of speed early then they may work fine for you as long as you have the ability to lay them over and make big angles.

 

Ski fast, have fun!

post #11 of 15

I used to race,but I have been skiing on some all Mt. skis, and some fat skis mostly of late. I am looking at a new set of front side skis, I like to ski fast, I am thinking of getting the Racetiger Speedwall GS skis, WC Speedwalls. I will sometimes need to go through moguls and such, I am a big guy and have skied for ever, finished in the top group when I raced so I can handle what ever ski I get. I am looking mostly at the Racetigger at 185cm, this is a short 19 or so radius, is that radius to short or will they handle going fast?

post #12 of 15

tomfifield ,

 

The 185mm Speedwall with 19.8m TR on that ski will feel good going very fast and will be much more fun to ski than something with a higher TR. You'll be able to let your speed freak go wild and feel good doing it!

post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by dwbrookside View Post
 

I have the 06 Racetiger GS 185cm. Great NASTAR ski, the 21m radius is good for a typical NASATR course. Ski is fast, stable and has great edge hold. Very comfortable going fast, but also maneuverable at slower speeds. I find the ski is fairly light for a race stock ski, which may be normal for a 2006 race ski.

 

My son started skiing 2010/2011 183cm Racetiger GS (>23m) about a month ago. This is the women's FIS compliant ski. He loves the ski, moved from Gold to Platinum last week. This ski seems to need a bit more speed, but can cruise all day on firm to solid snow.

 

I think you will really like the 07 Racetiger, but be aware that 08/09 men's and 10/11 women's (23m) also should be available at good prices and may be good for NASTAR & beer league. 

It's not going to turn much, but it is a good ski.  Buy it!

post #14 of 15

Oh yea, try 70 mph all day!  40 mph maybe you need a 13 or 10 meter turn! :-)

post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
 

 

My question is can this model be ski'd/ cruised on comfortable or is it a 40MPH all day all the time ski? They are marked as a 21' radius.

This model can be skied/cruised on comfortably, AND it is a 40 mph all day all the time ski. :D

They just won't want to carve tight railroad track turns, or be happy skiing slowly.

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