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Light ski like Kendo but with tighter radius?

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Hi,

 

I've realized that my favorite two skis from the last two seasons were also the lightest: Volkl Bridge 2011 and this year's Kendo. The problem is that this year I finally learned how to carve and together with the more typical East Coast hard snow conditions I've realized what I really want is something with the same crazy-excellent edge hold as the Kendo and just as light -- but with a tighter turn radius (say <15m) and no worse in the bumps. Does such a beast exist?

 

I am 5'11", 180 lbs. I found the 170cm Kendo seemed to want to carve a lazy big turn -- compared to, say, a Head X-Shape STX -- and required quite a bit of work (or steepness) to bend/edge a tighter turn. I loved everything else about the ski, but want to spend less effort carving short radius turns. I didn't get to try the 163cm Kendo: maybe that would've helped.

 

Oh, and if it helps place the Volkls in context: I have demoed the 172cm Nordica Fire Arrow Pro 80 (heavy and a bit too stiff for me in the bumps), 163cm Head Supershape Titan (also heavy though extremely stable, though with nowhere near the same grip on ice as the Kendos), and the aforementioned Head STX. I actually quite liked the STX quite a bit, come to think of it, but something about the Kendo really inspired confidence and just plain fun, and brought memories of the Bridge rather than the STX (though it is also rather light).

 

- KJ

post #2 of 8

Well I don't have any real suggestions for you but I definitely don't think the Kendo in a 163 is the answer at all. At your weight that confidence being inspired by the 170 will be all but diminished by a 163.

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This doesn't help you much but I'm your exact height and weight and I'm skiing the 170 Kendo this year on the east coast.  I love it, and I've always been a bit of a short turner.  As you say, the ski wants a longer turn for sure.  I just eventually gave in and am doing a longer turn mostly.  But, I don't feel it punishes me much for forcing a short turn which I do regularly.  If you love the ski maybe it's worth it to adapt to it's character.

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This doesn't help you much but I'm your exact height and weight and I'm skiing the 170 Kendo this year on the east coast.  I love it, and I've always been a bit of a short turner.  As you say, the ski wants a longer turn for sure.  I just eventually gave in and am doing a longer turn mostly.  But, I don't feel it punishes me much for forcing a short turn which I do regularly.  If you love the ski maybe it's worth it to adapt to it's character.


Couldn't agree with this more; I am 30lbs lighter and an inch shorter as ski the 170. It does everything I need it to do. If I need shorter radius i just skid or smear the turn a little. No ski is going to do exactly what you want it to do under every condition. But if you have a solid skill set it will do everything you need it to do. This ski has never let me down; granted I am not planning on taking it in 3 feet of powder, but on the east coast I don't see that often enough to need to do that anyway.

 

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Go back and demo the non-Pro version of the Fire Arrow 80.

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This doesn't help you much but I'm your exact height and weight and I'm skiing the 170 Kendo this year on the east coast.  I love it, and I've always been a bit of a short turner.  As you say, the ski wants a longer turn for sure.  I just eventually gave in and am doing a longer turn mostly.  But, I don't feel it punishes me much for forcing a short turn which I do regularly.  If you love the ski maybe it's worth it to adapt to it's character.


This is wise advise, thank you. I will hopefully be able to demo the Kendo 170cm again this coming weekend at Attitash, which will also hopefully give me more steeps to better effect a shorter turn.
 

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Couldn't agree with this more; I am 30lbs lighter and an inch shorter as ski the 170. It does everything I need it to do. If I need shorter radius i just skid or smear the turn a little. No ski is going to do exactly what you want it to do under every condition. But if you have a solid skill set it will do everything you need it to do. This ski has never let me down; granted I am not planning on taking it in 3 feet of powder, but on the east coast I don't see that often enough to need to do that anyway.

 


Thanks for the encouragement! I was in fact a bit depressed that I had to "break carve" a bit when I couldn't get enough inclination for a "pure" short radius carve turn, but good to hear that I'm not alone. Remember though that I've only just discovered the secret of carving: I'd gotten deep into the obssession and didn't want to leg go!
 

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Go back and demo the non-Pro version of the Fire Arrow 80.


Do you mean the green Ti version? I've been hoping to demo just that ski but unable to find it; also I had assumed it still wasn't going to be as light as the Kendo (and certainly not the Bridge). Perhaps one of the North Conway shops will have it this weekend. Thanks for the recommendation!

 

I realize now, upon further reflection, that I am dreaming of that impossible ski: light as a park ski, hard as nails on the ice and steeps, forgiving enough for some bumps, and turny enough for short-radius and trees. At the least I have to expect to give up one of the four conditions, or at least work hard to make the fourth happen. Short-radius turns appear to be the Kendo's "fourth." This weekend I'll see if I can live with that!

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Also, I will try to seek out the Line Prophet 90 or even the Prophet Flight, unless someone has a good reason for me to rule them out.

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Also, I will try to seek out the Line Prophet 90 or even the Prophet Flight, unless someone has a good reason for me to rule them out.


Definitely try the prophet if you can, I have not been able to demo it myself but have heard it referred to as a very fun forgiving ski. I don't think it is a light as the Kendo and the flite will not have the edgehold or the stability you seek. Also try the Nordica Steadfast If you can as I have read good things about that ski as well.

 

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