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Salomon Sentinel 2013, Gone?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

So I have heard that the sentinel will be discontinued after this year.  Do they plan to replace it with something that is still going to be of the same character, ie Mantra like?  I have this years sentinel which have developed some delam that qualifies me for a warranty according to my local shop.  I'm wondering what my options will be for a replacement.

 

Thanks,

Mike

post #2 of 24

I heard of someones entire metal top sheet de-laminating, and there are hardly any of that model ski around so to hear of another delam... they must have an issue there. don't replace with same, go with the Shogun for the same fit in your quiver.
 

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Originally Posted by Mikep View Post

So I have heard that the sentinel will be discontinued after this year.  Do they plan to replace it with something that is still going to be of the same character, ie Mantra like?  I have this years sentinel which have developed some delam that qualifies me for a warranty according to my local shop.  I'm wondering what my options will be for a replacement.

 

Thanks,

Mike



 

post #3 of 24

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

don't replace with same, go with the Shogun for the same fit in your quiver.
 


You think?  I felt that the Shogun has quite a different feel than the Sentinel.  I'm not sure if i'd consider it the best replacement if the OP wants something that skis similarly.

post #4 of 24

clearly, but he'll get a Salomon credit for warrantee, not a blank check.

post #5 of 24

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

clearly, but he'll get a Salomon credit for warrantee, not a blank check.


Fair enough.  The OP should probably be aware, though, that the Shogun isn't exactly "Mantra like", or "Sentinel like", for that matter.

post #6 of 24

I just bought a set of new Sentinels for dirt cheap, they have not arrived yet -  should I be worried about quality?  

 

How is Salomon in regards to warranties?

 

post #7 of 24

OK, and, many people who skied Mantra are now on Shogun, not Sentinel, because it is a little different.
 

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Fair enough.  The OP should probably be aware, though, that the Shogun isn't exactly "Mantra like", or "Sentinel like", for that matter.



 

post #8 of 24

For 2013, there is no direct replacement in skiing character for the Sentinel (at least from Salomon). All the upcoming skis from them are rather different. As mentioned, the Shogun is the closest as far as terrain capability but as also mentioned, it has a very different feel. As far as quality......Salomon has been pretty good. FWIW........I have sold several dozen Sentinels over the last few years with not one warranty claim.

 

However, you making a big mistake here...............

 

You are asking the internet about the warranty policies and procedures of a ski maker. The internet posters cannot answer your question. While the shop may think the ski qualifies for warranty replacement, they cannot make that decision either. Only the manufacturer can do that. At this point, Salomon will probably have a few skis on hand for warranty issues. If you get yours in to them in a timely manner, and they deem a replacement appropriate, they will probably have one to send you. As long as you have your proof of purchase that shows the ski is within the warranty period, most manufacturers are pretty good about waiting to the end of the season to inspect a warranty claim. The BIG fly in the ointment here is that if you wait too long and they no longer have the Sentinel in warranty stock, then you will get what they have which might not be what you want. If they don't have anything available when you send the ski in, you'll get a promise to ship in the fall when new inventory arrives which also might not be what you want.

 

You're best served to get it in as soon as reasonably possible.

 

SJ

post #9 of 24

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

OK, and, many people who skied Mantra are now on Shogun, not Sentinel, because it is a little different.
 


Dude, I was simply trying to help the OP.  You told him to go get a Shogun as a replacement, even though he said he wanted something "Mantra like".  If that's really what he wants, the Shogun isn't that.  Sure he may end up liking it, it's a good ski, but it's not what he asked about.  You seem bent out of shape because I wanted to convey that information, and I don't really get why.  th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #10 of 24

not bent at all. just adding to your info. and he has no other choice in the Salomon line for a 100 waist. sorry about the underlines, may have conveyed irritation that is not there.  also, gently suggesting that the Sentinel was a real dog IMO, and good riddance perhaps.

 

the connection to Shogun is also that my friends who switched from Mantra were happy with the difference in performance and feel, and they had been Mantra devotees. thus the notion that the OP, with similar tastes, may also like the switch.
 

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Dude, I was simply trying to help the OP.  You told him to go get a Shogun as a replacement, even though he said he wanted something "Mantra like".  If that's really what he wants, the Shogun isn't that.  Sure he may end up liking it, it's a good ski, but it's not what he asked about.  You seem bent out of shape because I wanted to convey that information, and I don't really get why.  th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif



 

post #11 of 24

My bad.  I definitely misread the tone.

post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies.  As far as the sentinel goes, maybe it was a dog in sales but I thought the ski was pretty solid all around.  Stiff and damp, like a wood with metal sandwitch constructed ski should be.  Unfortunately maybe there was some build issues with the ski as the ski already was a warrantied ski from last year.  SierraJim is right about maybe I should part with them right now in hopes of getting a sentinel, even though the shop said ski them till the end of season.  As far as what I may be able to swap for, I guess it will sort of depend on what the shop chooses to carry from Salomon next year.  I'm not so sure about the shogun as I'm not a fan of cap skis and I also found some info on the Rocker2 92 thats coming out next year.  It sounded like a hybrid sandwitch/cap layup that's probably twin tip, which I'm not a big fan of.  

post #13 of 24

Yes.....the Sentinel was /is a fine ski for a stronger skier and it's unfortunately under appreciated. The Shogun is more solid than either the R2 90 or R2 92. While all three are nice skis, those are very different than the Sentinel. Surprisingly, the closest ski to the Sentinel may be the new BBR 10.0 That is a solid, burly ski for the same level skier as the Sentinel, however, I would wonder if Salomon would send you one of those as a replacement. They might, but.............

 

Another reason to get them in asap I suppose is the common policy that the warranty is usually dated from the purchase of the original pair of skis. Some companies enforce this and some don't. I can't say what Salomon will do but it's probably best to get going on this.

 

SJ

post #14 of 24

Damn fine ski,  a ski i would have been happy to own.

post #15 of 24

My Sentinals just arrived - they are the 2012 model in a 184 cm.  

 

I am an aggressive all mountain skier (raced for 10 years) 160# 5'10 and ski in the NW, mostly Baker and Crystal.  

 

The recommended mount center line seems really far back on the ski.  should I have them mounted a bit further forward?  If so how much forward?

post #16 of 24

FWIW....I have skied the Sentinel both in the 177 and 184 quite a bit and have never messed with the mount point. It might be better one way or the other but I never felt the need to change it or wonder about it. That's just MHO and YMMV.

 

SJ

post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 

Mine are mounted at +1 cm.  I ski the 191 length and am 5' 11" and 210 lbs.  I use the Krypton Pro dumbed down with the soft flex tongue.  I guess I'm more of a ankle flex-er as opposed to a shin banger and a more forward mount allows me to keep the front of the ski more fully engaged.  But that's just me.  I front mount all my skis by +1.

post #18 of 24

Tried the Sentinals for the first time at Baker, nice skis, really fun in the cut up stuff and crud. They certainly are a bunch slower edge to edge than my old race skis, you have to be patient going from edge to edge, must be the width.  These are mounted on Salomon's line with Dynastar/ Look race bindings which can be had for under $100 at Evo.  Total cost new skis- 2012 and bindings mounted for $375.

 

I have the 184 but might of been better with the 191's (5'10 160# former racer.)  Its funny to see how many people say to get them on the short side, the latest fad I guess.  

 

Can't wait to get them up to Crystal with a little more vertical to test the limits.

 

On a side note picked up a set of 185 Rossi 9x race skis in decent shape for $5.  Will mount them with old tyrolias for kicks.

post #19 of 24

i have the sentinels with about 45 days on them.184 cm center mounted BTW -  they are fantastic, totally under rated and built tough as nails (i have beat the sh*t out of them, including this year which in tahow has been nothing but rocks and dirt). next year i will probably get something else, but these will stay with me as my early / late skis. sad to see them go, but if you can get them you will not be disappointed. 

post #20 of 24

Just an FYI: My Sentinels delaminated too, 2 years to the day from when they were purchased. Hate to see them go, and really appreciate reading replacement ideas even if the thread is a year old. I don't have the cash to buy the latest skis so knowing what to seek on close-out is great.

 

Cheers!

post #21 of 24

Had a set of Salomon Sentinel in 191 bought for me as a gift, used them for only two weeks, one of the skis delamintaed under foot. Contacted Salomon UK customer services who, because of me not being able to produce a reciept, are not willing to help in any way. I find it unbelievable that a company such as Salomon is not willing to stand by their products.  

post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Shogun52 View Post

Had a set of Salomon Sentinel in 191 bought for me as a gift, used them for only two weeks, one of the skis delamintaed under foot. Contacted Salomon UK customer services who, because of me not being able to produce a reciept, are not willing to help in any way. I find it unbelievable that a company such as Salomon is not willing to stand by their products.  


You should post this a couple more times in some MORE dead threads.

post #23 of 24

Just wanted to add to this thread as one of my Sentinels delaminated so substantially on my first day out this season that it is un-skiable.  No dropping of skis.  No big crash or fall.  Just done.  Brought the skis into the local shop where I purchased in 2011.  Three seasons and it's done.

 

The shop's initial reaction was, that really sucks, but it's probably too long for a warranty.  However, they offered to follow up with the Solomon rep.  Rep responded pretty quick by asking when skis were purchased.  They got back to him and . . . crickets.  I've followed up with the shop a couple times. It's been two weeks now.  The shop wants to figure something out for me, even if Solomon doesn't, which I think speaks very highly of them.  However, I've got to say to Solomon (and partially why I'm writing this now) . . . really? 

 

Solomon, you've got a problem with this ski.  No doubt, I loved skiing it.  Skied it for three seasons and really enjoyed it, but I've got four pairs of skis, so I didn't ski the Sentinels exclusively.  Got in about 15 days each season in Tahoe.  And, one of my pairs of skis are old Solomon skis from the 90's that I still love to take out some days.  So, what happened?  

 

It remains to be seen how Solomon will handle this.  But, in my mind, three seasons should just not be enough for ANY ski to delaminate.  

post #24 of 24

I have about 45 days on my Sentinels and both tails delaminated on the same day. Nothing unusual happened but at the end of the day they were delaminated. They are almost 3 years old so out of warranty. I bought them at REI so I went back there but they were not willing to help at all. I am going to try my neighborhood shop, Seattle Ski, for advice. They got me brand new replacement pair of Atomic Hawx boots when my 5 year old boots broke so kudos to Seattle Ski and Atomic! I really liked these skis but 45 days is too soon to fail. I have several older skis with many more days. 

Regarding a comparable ski, I demoed the 2014/15 Mantra last spring and it felt very similar.

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