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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

So, new to the forum, thanks in advance!

 

I'm about to turn 37, live in MN, and was a FIS skier in High School/College, but not all that great (say around 100 GS points, a bit less for slalom).  I haven't skied much since college (military service, wife who's not that into it), but my daughter is getting old enough etc that I am skiing a bit more.  I usually get 3-4 days a year in at Winter Park (due to a hook up at the mountain), and that's about it.  This year I did some skiing around town with my daughter, and am considering joining a beer league next season.  Since I don't want to shell out big bux, I'm thinking of trying to get a deal on this years "cheaters".  I just got a pair of Rossi S86's (186cm) this fall (last years ski) for something versatile to use on my trips to WP, but if I had some cheaters I'm sure that they would be my primary Midwest skis and get some use out west.  My other pair of skis are 10 yr old (?) Rossi 9X Pro's (191cm), which I will probably just give to my dad or something (still skiing a bit at 70).  I'm 6'2+, 225lbs, and in OK (definitely not great) condition.  Skills have certainly atrophied as well.

 

So, short story long, I have two questions:

 

1)  Skis to consider?  I was thinking:

Rossi Radical WC GS master

Atomic RS D2 GS

Volkl Racetiger GS Speedwall

Dynastar Speed Course Ti

 

2) Lengh?  Back "in the day", I skied the 203 7S, 207 7X.  Basically my size put me in the biggest ski. For the above skis I see that is around 183-185cm.  Some of those skis have more choices than others, but in this day and age should I still be skiing the longest length on account of my weight, or is dropping down to a 177-180 something to consider?

 

 

post #2 of 18

Hi Midlife Crisis, welcome to EpicSki!

 

The best place to find such deals, IMHO is fall consignment sales and/or ski team ski swaps.  

 

I've heard some great things about the Dynastar Course TI,  Maybe someone else will find some good advice on something. 

 

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks!

I was actually looking at some fairly decent pricing online for these models, but the stock is limited in my size.

 

I suspect any of the skis I mentioned would work, but I would like to know what the big guys are doing for lenght these days.

 

I appreciate the reply!

post #4 of 18

If these are the cheaters (non FIS, non >27m) versions you are looking at, and assuming with a race background you know how to drive a ski,  I would advise against dropping below 180 unless you are running really short beer league stuff.  At 225# you are going to be loading up that ski quite a bit and I suspect you will find yourself overpowering it.  From what i have experienced (and i know some here may suggest otherwise) most of the cheater skis do not have quite the same "beef" as the full race stock so would be wary of going too short.    QUite a few people here have had a lot of good things to say about the 179 Atomic D2 non-FIS

post #5 of 18

I recently picked up a pair of the Volkl Race Tiger Speedwall GS and love them.  They are a blast to free ski in and have plenty of grip for racing.  I am in an adult league and won the first GS race I used them in as compared to 5th place in the previous GS race with my previous skis.  Proof it is the equipment!

 

I am skiing a 175 but am a bit smaller than you at 5'9" and 190.  The 180 or 185 should do you well.

 

Good luck,

 

Rick G

post #6 of 18

Not sure about the other manufacturers, but I've used Atomic skis for beer league and Masters for quite a few years. I've had good results with the 179 non FIS spec D2 @18.4 m. They do make this model in a 184, but I haven't seen anyone use them and there are a lot of Atomics in our local beer league. I also own a pair of the D2 Womens FIS  spec in 183-great skis that are stiffer with more edge grip than the cheaters, but with our flat start, the non FIS skis are faster in the course for me. At your size, age weight and ability, the womens FIS might work for you-I'm 5'10" 190 lbs, and just turned 60 (scary thought!)

 

Keep checking the online shops and Ebay-Atomic is changing their line for next year and there may be bargains later in the season and over the summer. Good luck-Beer league racing is a blast!

post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks all of you, this is exactly the info I have been looking for...

Courses must be pretty tight... on the kind of hills we have around here (less than 300' vert), otherwise there would only be 1-2 turns!

So, I am definetely looking for a NON-FIS ski, like the D2's at 19m for 184cm.

 

Should be fun!

post #8 of 18

midlife...

 

I race here in minnesota at these beer leagues, afton, troll, welch -- which is my favorite btw.

 

They all vary a bit, where some of them are pretty straight coursesets where you could run 21m-24m quite easily. Whereas others you cannot unless you are very strong.

 

The top racer of the season at welch was on 24m skis yesterday while the rest of us were on cheater gs skis.

 

i'd check around locally with Joes, Hooigards, Pierce skate and ski since many of them are running insane specials right now. You will still be paying in the 300-700 range but would be getting new equipment with warantee.

 

My 179cm atomic d2 gs non-fis skis are starting to delam and thankfully bought them from a retailer where i will get replacements. When buying from a swap you are SOL if this happens. 

 

Joes ski swap in the fall is one of the bigger ones and happens usually in september.  It is truly a blast and all the leagues are very open to people of all skill level. All are pretty friendly besides buck hill, which can be clicky sometimes.

 

post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by shoal007 View Post

midlife...

 

I race here in minnesota at these beer leagues, afton, troll, welch -- which is my favorite btw.

 

They all vary a bit, where some of them are pretty straight coursesets where you could run 21m-24m quite easily. Whereas others you cannot unless you are very strong.

 

The top racer of the season at welch was on 24m skis yesterday while the rest of us were on cheater gs skis.

 

i'd check around locally with Joes, Hooigards, Pierce skate and ski since many of them are running insane specials right now. You will still be paying in the 300-700 range but would be getting new equipment with warantee.

 

My 179cm atomic d2 gs non-fis skis are starting to delam and thankfully bought them from a retailer where i will get replacements. When buying from a swap you are SOL if this happens. 

 

Joes ski swap in the fall is one of the bigger ones and happens usually in september.  It is truly a blast and all the leagues are very open to people of all skill level. All are pretty friendly besides buck hill, which can be clicky sometimes.

 


shoal007:

 

Wondering where your Race GS D2 is delaminating? I may be having a similar problem. My 2010 179cm GS D2 has developed a gap about 1/8" wide / 1/2" deep and 8" - 10" long. This separation has occurred directly under the binding, between the bottom of the cap and the top of the metal edge. The base has also started to protrude past the base edge in this area. This problem is only on one ski. The other ski looks fine. Curious if this is similar to the delamination you have or if anyone else has seen this type of problem with an Atomic Race D2 ski?

 

  
 

 

post #10 of 18

Did not want to hijack this thread so I thought I would add something possibly helpful. Since I am now without my 179cm Atomic Race GS I took the opportunity to demo a few skis recently. I am 46, 6'-1" 240lbs and consider myself an advanced, but not expert skier who spends way too much time around the NASTAR course. I ski around 30 days per year (NE & CO).

 

FWIW this is what I have tried:

 

181cm Atomic Race GS D2 (>27m)

A blast to free ski on firm snow and even ice. Easy initiation and very stable at high speed. I thought I could make the 181 work for NASTAR, but not yet, even in a fairly open 16 gate course this was too much for me.

 

184cm Atomic Race GS D2 (19m)

Just as stable at speed as the 181cm FIS ski, but not quite the same edge hold on hard snow. Did not try any bumps. Did see some early morning crud, which this ski just plowed through. 

 

175cm Volkl Racetiger GS Speedwall (17.5m)

Wish I could have tried the 180 or 185, but 175cm was all they had. Not quite as stable but quicker edge to edge. NASTAR course was skied off by the time I tried this. Ice and very hard snow was no problem. This ski felt much lighter than the Atomics. Although we have not had much snow I did find some small soft bumps and this ski was fine.

 

185cm 2006 Volkl Racetiger GS (>21m)

I own this ski, had not used it for 2 - 3 years and decided to take it off the shelf. With only a quick hot scrape and some yellow Saucer Wax this ski was still fast.  Forgot how much I loved this ski. Probably could stick with this and not replace my 179 D2s, but I will because I will probably want an 18m ski for tighter courses and do not want to totally depend on a 6 year old ski. 

 

Also tried:

 

Progressor 1000 and Volkl Code Speedwall: Both very very nice skis, probably more versatile, but not a substitute for a race or cheater ski.

 

165cm Volkl Racetiger SL & 165cm Atomic Race SL D2: Both fun for SL turns at slower speed, but probably unsafe at higher speed. Thought the SL D2 would at least be ok for NASTAR til one of the pacesetters told me the tips were flapping like crazy and strongly suggested I not try that again.

 

All the skis mentioned should be available online and in shops (I think there is even a pair of my 2006 Racetiger GS on e-bay now, but at a crazy price) sales have already started so if you do not need next years latest and greatest you should find great skis at a good price.

post #11 of 18

do a search on ebay for "Volkl GS"

you will like what you find for around $200

post #12 of 18

Go for the non-FIS Atomic D2 but without know ing your height and weight it's hard to tell you whther to go fro the 179 or 184.  I have the 179cm (5'11" about 190 lbs.) and so do 5 or 6 of the guys I ski with,  we all love the ski.  Tenacious edge grip, smooth and easy initiation. I've also skied it in varialbe softer  bumps with great success (It's 70mm underfoot)


 

I skied on the FIS D2 183 24M last weekend. it was burly as heck and didn't snap until I was doing about 40 MPH.  The tip is much stiffer and consideralby narrower then the NON-FIS ski which makes it a lot more work unless you going balls out at which point you are trying not to take out anyone on the hill

 

Originally Posted by Midlife crisis View Post

 

So, new to the forum, thanks in advance!

 

I'm about to turn 37, live in MN, and was a FIS skier in High School/College, but not all that great (say around 100 GS points, a bit less for slalom).  I haven't skied much since college (military service, wife who's not that into it), but my daughter is getting old enough etc that I am skiing a bit more.  I usually get 3-4 days a year in at Winter Park (due to a hook up at the mountain), and that's about it.  This year I did some skiing around town with my daughter, and am considering joining a beer league next season.  Since I don't want to shell out big bux, I'm thinking of trying to get a deal on this years "cheaters".  I just got a pair of Rossi S86's (186cm) this fall (last years ski) for something versatile to use on my trips to WP, but if I had some cheaters I'm sure that they would be my primary Midwest skis and get some use out west.  My other pair of skis are 10 yr old (?) Rossi 9X Pro's (191cm), which I will probably just give to my dad or something (still skiing a bit at 70).  I'm 6'2+, 225lbs, and in OK (definitely not great) condition.  Skills have certainly atrophied as well.

 

So, short story long, I have two questions:

 

1)  Skis to consider?  I was thinking:

Rossi Radical WC GS master

Atomic RS D2 GS

Volkl Racetiger GS Speedwall

Dynastar Speed Course Ti

 

2) Lengh?  Back "in the day", I skied the 203 7S, 207 7X.  Basically my size put me in the biggest ski. For the above skis I see that is around 183-185cm.  Some of those skis have more choices than others, but in this day and age should I still be skiing the longest length on account of my weight, or is dropping down to a 177-180 something to consider?

 

 



 

post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks again for all the comments!

post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by dwbrookside View Post


shoal007:

 

Wondering where your Race GS D2 is delaminating? I may be having a similar problem. My 2010 179cm GS D2 has developed a gap about 1/8" wide / 1/2" deep and 8" - 10" long. This separation has occurred directly under the binding, between the bottom of the cap and the top of the metal edge. The base has also started to protrude past the base edge in this area. This problem is only on one ski. The other ski looks fine. Curious if this is similar to the delamination you have or if anyone else has seen this type of problem with an Atomic Race D2 ski?

 

  
 

 

 

yup mine is in the same place, directly behind the binding though not as severe about 4" long and about 1/8" gap on the edge. I think there is unusual amount of stress in the area secondary to the double deck design... Its too bad yours are 2010, out of warantee.


 

 

post #15 of 18

Here's a review of 2012 Beer League skis.  All are on closeout.

 

 

 

2012 Beer League Skis

post #16 of 18

99% of the time it's not the equipment that wins races.  Sure a decent set of race skis in the right size help out, but you will adjust to your equipment if your technique is solid.

 

Nothin' like kickin everybodies A$$es on some 20 year old strait race skis.

 

 

post #17 of 18

Another MN guy here.  Lots of good skis out there.  Fall swaps at Joe's in Roseville, Buck Hill and Hyland Hills all can be good sources for race gear and these sales help support the junior race programs.

post #18 of 18
Delamination seems to be an Atomic trait. Some of the racers in our club have had their Atomics delam the firdt day out, others mid-season. I've met at least 1 racer each race day this season with a pair of Atomics that are coming apart. I asked the rep about tbis at the end of last season and he told
me if it happens at the beginning of the season atomic will replace the skis but if it happens near the end of the zeason then you are sol.
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