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post #451 of 675
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PSA   Atomic Powder Plus Fat Boy Skis 180cm - $100  (Reno)

 

 

Atomic Powder Plus Fat Boy skis, never used, still in packaging. $100 obo. Paid $479 new.

 

http://reno.craigslist.org/spo/4815136968.html   ( Posted 12/21/14)

post #452 of 675
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Went by a ski swap at a local shop today. Wasn't really expecting to pick anything up, but couldn't resist these for $30...

 

 

Volkl P30 190CM with Look Pivot 9.0 (DIN 5-14) bindings that just happen to be mounted for my BSL. They don't look like they've been skied much, and are in extremely good condition. Thought they'd be fun to try out, and even if I end up not liking them I have other skis with Pivots, so those could be good backups, or maybe mount on something else.

 

Turns out the bindings were mounted for a shorter boot, so actually had to remount the heels to get within the acceptable forward pressure range, but they're adjusted, tuned, waxed, and ready to go. Should be pretty good for Tahoe conditions right now - 98/63/86!

 

Found some info in the magazine archives - back to 1997!   ;-)

 

 

post #453 of 675

I was ready to retire the Elan M1111 (aka Quad Ones) to the 'museum' but took them out yesterday due to needing to epoxy the Bent Chettlers. They still work. Retirement has been delayed.

post #454 of 675
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Is this the one you have?

 

 

 

http://www.skinet.com/skiing/products/elan/elan-m-1111-2007

 

161/121/141, and a swallowtail? That is some wild child! What does it ski like?

post #455 of 675

Yes, that is it. Very limited edition apparently. I have it mounted a full 2 " forward of the recommended mounting point as Elan wanted you to have a massive tip and tiny tail. That was sometimes fun for powder, but not always. Forward mounting makes it ski more traditionally (for a ski with a 161 mm tip :o) )

 

They will carve firm snow but you really need to get up on edge to hold it there. Being so wide and long, they really want to flatten out. The bindings I have on them are Fischer X17s which either are worn out or never were very 'tight'. There is about an 1/8 inch play in the toe (up and down) which translates to a loss of edging power because of the slop. It is a bit tiring but a lot of fun to arc them down the groomers.

 

Like skis with fat tips, when they get into deep soft snow, they really want to turn so it takes a bit of conscious attention to keep from overturning. They smear and float like crazy.

 

I bought these when I was looking for some Powder Plus (before I cornered the market) and felt that they were worth the extra I was going to spend ($200 more than the PPs) just for the graphics and look of the ski. The topsheet is a reproduction of a fresco in a church in Slovenia (where they are made). It is known as 'the death march' with skeletons escorting the king, the queen, the rich, and the poor to the great equalizer, Death.

 

Elan M Series 1111 tip

 

Elan M Series 1111 tail

 

Elan Quad One.jpg

 

 

My Epic review: http://www.epicski.com/products/2009-elan-quad-one-1111

post #456 of 675

They'll never be fully retired as the bindings aren't worth moving to another ski so they'll always have bindings on them. I put in about the 4th set of holes but given that I'm 2" forward of most other holes there is little overlap.

post #457 of 675
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I got out on the P30's today for the first time. I think Chris Walken can express my feelings best...

 

 

From the moment I got off the lift and hit the snow they just felt so ... right. The mount point felt perfect. They steered effortlessly, and as soon as I tipped and got them edging they bit and just zoomed off - these pups are fast! Super stable and smooth at speed. Don't know exactly what the turn radius is, but they never felt the least bit clunky. Tightening the turn was easy just by pressuring the ski a little more.

 

Conditions at Heavenly were somewhat spring-like-softish, but there were different places at different times of the day that were firm. They always held their edge, and when I did get into some mild blue slush bumps they were really easy to move around. It's hard to imagine a better ride on a day like today. It'll be interesting to see if they feel as good in different conditions over time. For now I am one happy and satisfied Luddite!   ;-)

post #458 of 675
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PSA     Fischer RX9 Snow Skis 170cm + FX12 Railflex 2 Bindings

 

These are up on eBay now - auction scheduled to end in 2 days. Could be a nice ride for conditions in a lot of places this season.

 

post #459 of 675

Hmmm...those could be a really, really nice NASTAR ski or lacking in edge bite depending on total use.   

Am I crazy or was there a Canada- only RX10, might have gone under the name Fire or Phenom or something like that?

post #460 of 675
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Indulged my inner Luddite today with these...

 

 

Picked them up recently from a little old lady who only drove them on Sundays!  ;-)

 

Seriously, lightly used, and very nice condition overall, given they're 20 or so years old now. Not sure of exact model year, but they're the ones with a 79 waist. 190cm. Few inches of soft snow today. Generally forgiving stuff that almost anything would ski well in, but there were some crud piles that built up, and visibility not great, so actually somewhat challenging conditions. They skied great! Definitely have a good bit of that old school, really straight feel, but after skiing for a while I adjusted and greatly enjoyed the experience. Gonna ride these pups some more and see if I continue to like them. They're relatively light - think they'd make a nice touring ski with some Fritschi's on em.

post #461 of 675

Snow Rangers, right?. I first saw those in 1997, I think.

post #462 of 675
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Yup, Snow Rangers. I got another day in, and am continuing to dig them. Soft conditions can hide a multitude of sins, but so far they have been good everywhere. I can appreciate a shorter ski with a tighter turn radius, but have come to love longer skis that are less auto-turny.

 

I usually can find what I'm looking for on the net, but am coming up short to find something definitive on the model year of these Snow Rangers. Was hoping to find a review or ad with pic and dims in the Ski/Skiing mag archives. I do know Volkl made them for several years in the 90's, and I believe the tip-waist-tail dims varied a bit over that run.

post #463 of 675

Hey do any of you have a set of the 6mm plates that go under the heelpiece of a Pivot14/Axial 140?

(*not* PX, not Axial2)

post #464 of 675
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I have these, from some kind of Pivot binding...

 


Missing one screw, but if they'll do ya PM me.

post #465 of 675
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Seller on eBay with some interesting Luddite skis, like these 193cm Atomic Sugar Daddy's with Neox bindings...

 

 

Lots of other skis at decent prices. Anyone ever deal with this seller?

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Seller on eBay with some interesting Luddite skis, like these 193cm Atomic Sugar Daddy's with Neox bindings...

 

 

Lots of other skis at decent prices. Anyone ever deal with this seller?

 

If you spot those in 170cm, grab 'em.

post #467 of 675
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Seller on eBay with some interesting Luddite skis, like these 193cm Atomic Sugar Daddy's with Neox bindings...

 

 

Lots of other skis at decent prices. Anyone ever deal with this seller?


It's The Unindemnified Binding Boutique!  :newkeyboard:

post #468 of 675
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Indulged my inner Luddite today with these...

 

 

Picked them up recently from a little old lady who only drove them on Sundays!  ;-)

 

Seriously, lightly used, and very nice condition overall, given they're 20 or so years old now. Not sure of exact model year, but they're the ones with a 79 waist. 190cm. Few inches of soft snow today. Generally forgiving stuff that almost anything would ski well in, but there were some crud piles that built up, and visibility not great, so actually somewhat challenging conditions. They skied great! Definitely have a good bit of that old school, really straight feel, but after skiing for a while I adjusted and greatly enjoyed the experience. Gonna ride these pups some more and see if I continue to like them. They're relatively light - think they'd make a nice touring ski with some Fritschi's on em.

Those are the second generation of the Snow Rangers.  The first gen skis were sorta dark looking, or as a friend said, "butt ugly."  Don't know for sure but think the only change in the skis was the brighter graphics.  I had mine when I spent winters working and  living at Bg Sky in the 1990's.  Used them as my all mountain all conditions skis.  They were much more ski than I was skier.  I might have replaced them with my first Stocklis.  I have no idea why the dimensions were.  Really enjoyed them.


Edited by JTNSKIS - 2/1/15 at 3:29pm
post #469 of 675
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I've handled a few skis at this point, but don't really recall another with this particular design...

 

 

Maybe a little hard to make out in the pic, but it's not a traditional cap or sidewall. There's a very low sidewall in the middle section of the ski, then it indents a bit and there's almost like a built-in riser in the middle that the bindings are mounted on that tapers off at the front and rear of the ski. Was that sui generis, or something that showed up on other skis back then?

 

I've seen those older Snow Rangers that have mostly black topsheets in thrift shops, usually beat to Hell. I think they had a traditional sidewall, if I remember correctly. Never skied one of those.

post #470 of 675

the black and yellow Snow rangers have this same side wall design.  I picked some up last year.  I've tried them twice but can't find anything I really like about them. 

 

Royal


Edited by royal - 2/2/15 at 5:50am
post #471 of 675
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the black and ywllow Snow rangers have this same side wall design. 

 

Yea, found some pix and right you are...

 

 

Originally Posted by royal View Post
 

I picked some up last year.  I've tried them twice but can find anything I really like about them. 

 

Assuming you intended that to be "can't".  ;-)

 

Do you recall any negatives, or were they just blah for you? I guess I was pleasantly surprised with how good mine felt as an all around ski.

post #472 of 675
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Yea, found some pix and right you are...

 

 

 

Assuming you intended that to be "can't".  ;-)

 

Do you recall any negatives, or were they just blah for you? I guess I was pleasantly surprised with how good mine felt as an all around ski.

I found them sluggish and planky.  hard to initiate turns and an unsatsifying turn shape.  they have a marker demo binding on them and I tried several different "mount" locations both for and aft of center line and nothing helped this ski for me.  I could ski them and make them turn but no "big grin"  maybe my expectations were too high.

 

Royal

post #473 of 675
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Too fat, I guess, eh?  ;-)

 

Seriously, I know you ride a ton of different skis, and seem to find the joy in almost all of them. When I first laid hands on these Snow Rangers I thought they would be planky, and after being on more modern skis the first couple runs felt that way, but ultimately they didn't pan out that way for me.

 

You mentioned experimenting with the effective mount point. I have done that quite a bit on different skis, and slight adjustment fore or aft has frequently made a pronounced difference. But the bindings on these are fixed mount...

 

 

As you can see they are mounted on the "boot tip" line. I don't have any modern Volkls, and suspect that is a mount convention that has gone by the wayside, but in this case it works for me. (Same on the P30's I picked up a few months ago.) However with all the different variables in the equation - binding ramp, boot ramp/lean, etc - doesn't mean it will work for anyone else. Ya just never know till you hop on.

post #474 of 675

Didn't the Salomon X-Scream Hot have a center-bump structure similar to that?   Maybe Solly designers liked the Snowrangers a lot ...:eek;)

post #475 of 675
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Have never had any X-Scream's. so don't know about that, but the raised section on the Snow Rangers strikes me as a bit of an arch, distributing load out to the ends of the ski. I'm guessing there has to be some function in addition to form - perhaps that's it?

post #476 of 675
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Have never had any X-Scream's. so don't know about that, but the raised section on the Snow Rangers strikes me as a bit of an arch, distributing load out to the ends of the ski. I'm guessing there has to be some function in addition to form - perhaps that's it?

 

Well...I'm more thinking that there has to be a reason they stopped short of the true edge on the sidewall.   As in: they wanted less resistance to torsion so that the edge doesn't feel like it has two states, ON and OFF.

Of course they used the exact opposite thinking on EnergY designs and in later designs like the Grizzly, going full-on-macho-let's have-more-edge-grip by shoving material out above the edge.

post #477 of 675
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Too fat, I guess, eh?  ;-)

 

Seriously, I know you ride a ton of different skis, and seem to find the joy in almost all of them. When I first laid hands on these Snow Rangers I thought they would be planky, and after being on more modern skis the first couple runs felt that way, but ultimately they didn't pan out that way for me.

 

You mentioned experimenting with the effective mount point. I have done that quite a bit on different skis, and slight adjustment fore or aft has frequently made a pronounced difference. But the bindings on these are fixed mount...

 

 

 

As you can see they are mounted on the "boot tip" line. I don't have any modern Volkls, and suspect that is a mount convention that has gone by the wayside, but in this case it works for me. (Same on the P30's I picked up a few months ago.) However with all the different variables in the equation - binding ramp, boot ramp/lean, etc - doesn't mean it will work for anyone else. Ya just never know till you hop on.

I know you're joking about the width, and I do get out on  a lot of different skis new and old. I like to get on different  skis and figure out how to ski them, or how to get the most out of them.   I even have a few Dynastar course skis for  pure front side carving and love them for what they are.  I like to think I can figure out most skis from Fat to skinny s and straight to extremely curved.  I have yet to try any of the fully reversed cambered skis.  I fail to see the point of them, but I also can not afford a heli ski trip either. 

 

  I had high hopes for the snow ranger's as there are a lot of good reviews of them on here from other posters like you, whom I respect for their experience and knowledge.   maybe I was expecting too much.  

post #478 of 675

Anyone recognize this ski? The pair is on craigslist for $25, and I'm thinking it might be a great deal.

 

post #479 of 675
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Anyone recognize this ski? The pair is on craigslist for $25, and I'm thinking it might be a great deal.

 

 Might be stolen?

post #480 of 675
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Don't recognize that exact model, but for $25 I'd sure have a look, probably snag em if they aren't trashed! Monsters typically are/were pretty decent.

 

 

Originally Posted by royal View Post
 

I know you're joking about the width, and I do get out on  a lot of different skis new and old. I like to get on different  skis and figure out how to ski them, or how to get the most out of them.  

 

YES!!  Thumbs UpThumbs Up
 

I have yet to try any of the fully reversed cambered skis.  I fail to see the point of them, but I also can not afford a heli ski trip either. 

 

My girlfriend has a pair of the 1st gen S7's that she skied a couple times, but didn't like much (loud, floppy tips). They're a bit short for me, (176), but we put Railflex on em, so if we ever get any appreciable fresh snow I'm planning to get out on em a bit and see what that heavily rockered sh*t is all about.

 

I had high hopes for the snow ranger's as there are a lot of good reviews of them on here from other posters like you, whom I respect for their experience and knowledge.   maybe I was expecting too much.  

 

They can't all be winners, I guess. But always more to play with.  ;-)

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