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all mountain ski for the 6'4" 250# skier (I am off the charts) - eyeing up the 2012 Sir Francis Bacons

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Intermediate-Advanced skier that is not loving his 176 Elan Magfire 78Tis much as of late....rolleyes.gif

 

at the time the 176 length made sense and I have enjoyed the elans for keeping up with my son and blasting down some groomers and moderate crud...by the end of the day I can feel their weight and this season's snow has been pretty cruddy and turning in the hot grits they call snow at HV 2 weeks ago made me want to give up skiing for the season ....

 

wanted to experiment in something more under foot and thought with my size I would look into something in the range of the SFB as I would rather have more fun in the crud than be completely happy on groomers. Groomer performance is important but I am looking for a way to get through the crud most of my day winds up being spent in.  

 

I have looked at the Volkl Kendo and Manta but all everyone has is 177s in stock.  I do want to move to a 184/185 and I have demoed this size and can see that that has also helped a bit compared to what I am in now.  They were the BBRs and I did not like them at all.  i could sense the fact that they were missing the metal I have in my Elans

 

i know the SFBs don't have metal and the volkls do. I know the prophet 90s and 98 have metal.  

 

with most everyone sold out of 185s I figure i am looking at august before I wind up with some new skis when 2013s come out.

 

I do know that turning will be different and I usually turn on my edges hard to keep this bumble from bouncing down the steeps 

 

really just looking for comment on moves to the wider ski for mostly east coast crud with trips to the west.  I have a good amount of ice and figure the wider boards will not grab ice as well as the 78s I have now, correct?

 

Thanks for any guidance on skis for the 6'4" set 

 

 

post #2 of 17

FWIW, IMHO, as a gaper, your 250# is more important than your 6'4" height.  According to one Volkl chart I found for the 2011 Mantra you should be on 191 cm skis.  I'm 230 soaking wet and I bought 191 cm Mantras and they are great on the groomers.  I even took them down "Disneyland" at White Pass Ski Area (WA) thru the trees and down a gully in powder and in ice; no problem.  I'm not sure if the 191s will serve me well in moguls and trees (but I've only had 4 days on them and my ancient skis in the 190+ cm range did fine) but time will time; I don't expect them to do well in deep powder (but I have other skis).  I got these to keep up with the kid and grandkids.   I'm a WC skier, but I've found the edge grip is impressive for me.

post #3 of 17
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spot on to the weight as being more important than height.... I wanted to add the visual because there are not many of us out on the slopes wink.gif

 

My shop told me that Mantas would be good and maybe the kendos as the next logical step up from my 78s... My shop guys is going to let me try the SFBs and he stated If I really like them he would recommend the Mantas. 

post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 

nice bludgeon on the "gaper" as well wink.gif.... such love ... I deserve it 

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spot on to the weight as being more important than height.... I wanted to add the visual because there are not many of us out on the slopes wink.gif

 

My shop told me that Mantas would be good and maybe the kendos as the next logical step up from my 78s... My shop guys is going to let me try the SFBs and he stated If I really like them he would recommend the Mantas. 


This doesn't make much sense as the two are dramatically different. The Mantra is a very stiff ski and the SFB is very soft. The Mantra would be a good choice for your weight but unless there are mitigating circumstances I wouldn't suggest the SFB. If you can't find a long Mantra, try looking for a Rossi Experience 98 in 188, Salomon Sentinel in 191, or perhaps a K2 Hardside in 188. All those are fully equal to or better than the Mantra.

 

SJ

 

post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 

you are right, it doesn't make sense and they are two different types of skis. 

 

While I had stated that I knew the Mantas and Kendos has the metal in them and were stiffer than the SFBs that don't have metal,

 

I forgot to reinforce in my post that no shops have anything in 185s to demo, so the guy at my shop said he would let me try his personal 184 SFBs more or less just to get the feel of the bigger board underneath compared to what I am running currently. Everything they can sell me now is a 177 in just about anything ( I am quickly realizing that anything 185+ sells out pretty quick)

 

I think he is already leaning into recommending something a little stiffer than the SFBs because of my size which is why I mentioned the Mantas or Kendos

 

in the meantime I will get a chance to try out his SFBs on what is looking to be another soppy snow day in the 40s this weekend. 

post #7 of 17

For what it is worth. I am 6 foot 200 lbs. just got back from 10 days in Big Sky on some new SFB's.  I loved them. Very playful. Tons of fun. Super good in trees. Give them a try. 

post #8 of 17
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thanks for the feedback.  I am looking forward to trying them out and comparing .. I need some fun 

post #9 of 17
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nice bludgeon on the "gaper" as well wink.gif.... such love ... I deserve it 


'fraid you misunderstood me--I was referring to myseflsmile.gif

 

post #10 of 17
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Hahaha.... No worries.... I thought you had seen a picture of me in my green Burton Slub jacket... I think that is one of the requirements to be a gaper is the colorful clothing biggrin.gif

I wear mine so little critters (kids) get scared of me and avoid cutting me off biggrin.gif

Sadness to report. As is my lot in life, my boots go beyond the available adjustments of demo bindings :-( I won't even be running the SFBs this weekend on a demo basis

It's a bring your own binding world out there for big dudes on the hills . I may have to buy a set and have them mount to some skis so I can try them

Not a happy camper
post #11 of 17

195 SuperBROs.  Kick-@ss on groomers, and eat up crud for lunch.  You're a big dude, you shouldn't have problems handling a big ski.  I skied them, and I'm 5'11/195. 

 

Plus you can get them over on TGR for really cheap right now.

post #12 of 17

Check out their web site and then give the guys at ON3P in Portland a call.  They make several models of excellent hand-made skis at a good price and can customize them (probably at no additional cost) to beef them up to your specifications.

post #13 of 17
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I seem to have gotten stuck now wanting the ON3P "pillow fight" skis biggrin.gif

 

I thought it would take some serious brass ones to ski with the family on the Head J.o. Pro Twin Tips a few years ago , but really would love to get a set of the pillow fights for the local hill.. My wife would kick my a** 

 

I will try to get myself in order and scope out some of the other skis the offer.... Thanks Mudfoot and Caucasian Asian for the recommendations

post #14 of 17
Yeti, go peruse eBay. I just got a set of the Kendo, brand new, still in the plastic, off of there in 184 for $460. I could have sworn I saw a pair of 191 in either the Kendo or Mantra.
post #15 of 17
Yeah, there's a pair of Mantra at 191 for $495 "buy it now". http://www.ebay.com/itm/Volkl-Mantra-191cm-New-2011-model-Bindings-not-included-/170777814696?pt=Skiing&hash=item27c326a6a8#ht_500wt_922

It 2011, so I don't think it has any rocker.
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Yeah, there's a pair of Mantra at 191 for $495 "buy it now". http://www.ebay.com/itm/Volkl-Mantra-191cm-New-2011-model-Bindings-not-included-/170777814696?pt=Skiing&hash=item27c326a6a8#ht_500wt_922
It 2011, so I don't think it has any rocker.


No rocker.  I just skied mine (191 cm 2011 Mantras) for the 5th time today (btw, it is my first alpine ski with alpine bindings; I'm a reformed tele skier and have skied AT 3-4 years.  I was able to keep up with my son-in-law on his Rossi E83s (he's been skiing decades and is fast), more than match him him off-piste through the woods, and I ran 4 black diamonds with moguls, and one-half a double-black (the other half was head-first on my shoulder) :-).  That said, I'm interested in trying out an E88, a Cochise, DPS 112 ... .  The mantra is not a forgiving ski; it likes to be driven and my 230 lbs (probably 245 clothed) makes them responsive and fun.  I had considered Kendos, but won't now, given the much greater stability the Mantras have given me over my 184 Atomic R:EX (I tuned them, the ski fine, but want to make short-radius turns, and just a minor momentary shift in my weight puts them on edge = squirrel at speed).  The kendo lies midway between the R:EX and Mantra in waist width.

 

post #17 of 17
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Got a very good deal on the 2012 SFBs in 184cm. I am doing mostly Midwest / East coast skiing at an intermediate advanced level mostly staying on the groomers and the chopped up junk they become. 

 

I know with the rocker and twinish set up they will ski shorter than the 184 advertised. I thought about the longer skis but was looking for an improvement over the current setup I have . I don't need to go 90mph but have a fun ski that can get me through the crap better and allow me to turn in it as well. All signs point to a big dude should be on something bigger, but hoping to find some agreement that I didn't waste some cash on the 184s :D

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