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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

So today I was skiing at Alta with about 10 inches of fresh snow and I was on my brand new Blog skis which are wider, longer and heavier than my old skis and I was skiing hard and fast as I could through crud. Later on throughout the day I must have been getting tired but it really wasn't that late and I was coming down about the mid part of Corkscrew, which is a groomer main run so you know how it is, groomers on pow days,making those big long sweepy turns going fast, and I was going a little faster than comfort for being bumps and thick crud and that I couldn't exactly see every little bump because it was snowing and I must have hit something but I lost my balance and went forward I hit my nose pretty hard and it was bleeding, at first I was worried if I broke it but I got all cleaned up and it just felt bruised. But my main concern was my shoulder, I don't remember how I hit but I can't move my arm up at all sideways without pain in my shoulder. (extending my right arm fully and bringing it up laterally like a butterfly motion hurts at about 20 degrees) It doesn't hurt that bad just sitting but anytime my shoulder muscle engages I can definately feel it. I actually couldn't even hold my skis with my right arm I had everything in my left hands. I don't know anything about shoulder injuries but last time I wondered whether or not to go in to the doctor I went in for my knee and they told me it was fine just bruised bone and I just need to rest for a week. I have it iced now but I am wondering if I should just sit it out and see how it feels for a bit or go in and get it checked out. Did I just tear a muscle or what?

 

Bummer I crashed and got hurt just skiing down normally.

 

New skis feel great and I can't wait to ski on em some more.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 23

Could just be inflammation. If doesn't improve with a little bit of time, ice,  and ample advil, go see a Dr. Rotator cuff tear can do that. But would take an MRI to diagnose. And Dr. would want to wait a bit anyway.  

post #3 of 23

Whatever it is, you don't want to make it worse.  If it doesn't seem like it is improving in the next 24 hours, get it checked out.

 

I missed 8 weeks this season due to a "nothing" fall.  turned out I had fractured my humeral head & had a possible torn rotator cuff.  I couldn't believe the bone was fractured due to the nature of the fall.  When I had my first MRI, the radiologist & another Dr. said that my rotator cuff was gone & that I should have surgery immediately.  Luckily for me, my orthopedist saw some hope & put me in a sling for eight weeks.  Miraculously as the bone healed & calcified what little amount of the rotator cuff that was left was able to attach itself & heal to the point where surgery is not necessary.  I am glad I took my Dr's. advice.  I have been back skiing for the past 3 weeks, & although my shoulder is only about 50% I am feeling improvement everyday.  I am convinced that if I had not been patient with the initial recovery I would be seeing the knife in the near future.

 

Wishing you a quick recovery,

JF

post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 

 Thanks for weighing in I couldn't imagine having an injury to put me out 8 weeks, that would cut into my golf season, and I am already wondering if it will cut into it anyways, I will likely have to strengthen the right shoulder again after it heals if it turns out to be any sort of injury right?

 

I guess I will see in the next day or so.

 

Thanks

 

post #5 of 23

8 weeks vs. 4 to 6 months recovery from surgery.  Lucky for me there wasn't much fresh snow during my 8 week hiatus.

 

JF

post #6 of 23

get it checked out.  A good orthopedist will assess the need for immediate surgery (unlikely) versus physical therapy.  Often, physical therapy can correct a multitude of sins (speaking as someone who has had 4 shoulder dislocations).  Given my history, I've decided that until my shoulders limit what I can do, I'll put up with the increased risk of additional dislocations versus missing 6 months of the activities I love (skiing and cycling).  When my shoulders become the limiters, then I'll consider surgery.

 

Mike

post #7 of 23

You need to learn a new thing the internet sucks for and that is asking medical advice.  None of us can see your shoulder and none of us can even begin to evaluate what your level of pain is but most people doing this tend to minimize their pain.   Your shoulder could be separated or dislocated.  You could have a torn muscle or a torn tendon or it could be a relatively simple bruise.  But not one of us can diagnose what the problem actually is.  The one and only safe thing to do is get your tail to a doctor tomorrow to find out.  If you don't you could do something that might make the injury worse and prolong your recovery.  It isn't worth taking a chance that might mess yourself up even worse.

post #8 of 23

Ok, this is too weird.  It appears my post is blank, but if I edit it I can see what I intended to post.  So here is again assuming that nobody can see it.

 

 

You need to learn a new thing the internet sucks for and that is asking medical advice.  None of us can see your shoulder and none of us can even begin to evaluate what your level of pain is but most people doing this tend to minimize their pain.   Your shoulder could be separated or dislocated.  You could have a torn muscle or a torn tendon or it could be a relatively simple bruise.  But not one of us can diagnose what the problem actually is.  The one and only safe thing to do is get your tail to a doctor tomorrow to find out.  If you don't you could do something that might make the injury worse and prolong your recovery.  It isn't worth taking a chance that might mess yourself up even worse.

post #9 of 23

I had a similar shoulder injury (rotator cuff strain) from a mountain bike fall last year. My doctor referred me to PT and that helped immensely; my PT gave me all sorts of strengthening exercises to do which definitely speeded up recovery. Lots of ice and ibuprofen initially to reduce the inflammation. PT also did some electrode stimulation which is supposed to help with recovery. I had to lay low as far as activities that really stressed that area for 2-3 months, but it was worth it to get it taken care of.

 

So I'd say definitely go see your primary physician to get a proper diagnosis and go from there; they might refer you to an orthopedist, or PT like in my case. The longer you put it off the more likely it will become a nagging chronic injury down the road.

post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 

The bummer is that I was thinking yesterday I could push myself with the soft snow on the ground and I was skiing really hard. When I fell I did not expect at all to get hurt because the fresh snow was a cushion but that was not the case. I have been doing a few really small 3's here and there if I find the right jump and now I am afraid that when I get back skiing I will be way too conservative and never try anything because I saw how I could get hurt just with a regular pretty minor fall, is getting injured from falling more just happen chance of how you hit because I am afraid if I fall doing a bigger jump trying a new trick I would get way more injured than when I got semi-hurt on a freakin groomer.

post #11 of 23

I separated my shoulder in low visibility bumps at Fernie. Your symptoms sound a lot like mine did. Is there a bump right near the joint? Some doctors won't pick up on it. I had an X-ray done, the doc said nothing was wrong. Went to physiotherapy to try to strengthen it for lacrosse season, he proceeded to manhandle my shoulder to the point where I could feel the joint moving around. He then called the doctor who missed it an idiot. It ended my first day, but because it was on a school ski trip, and it was the first day, I didn't say anything. The next day I put it in a sling, took some Advil, and went back out. I took it easy for the next two days, partially due to fear of falling on it again. By day four, I was back to my old self, still in a sling. Landed a few 360s off a natural windlip between 2 trees in the powder, skiing mach 3 everywhere else. If it is separated, you should be good to ski within a week. Physiotherapy is a huge help. Try to buy some slingshot elastics and start strengthening it.

post #12 of 23

second request for medical advise thread. at this rate, soon you'll be asking what to do for brain damage. rolleyes.gif

post #13 of 23

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

second request for medical advise thread. at this rate, soon you'll be asking what to do for brain damage. rolleyes.gif


Nope, asking how to do open heart surgery on yourself.eek.gif

 

post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by drainbamage View Post

The bummer is that I was thinking yesterday I could push myself with the soft snow on the ground and I was skiing really hard. When I fell I did not expect at all to get hurt because the fresh snow was a cushion but that was not the case. I have been doing a few really small 3's here and there if I find the right jump and now I am afraid that when I get back skiing I will be way too conservative and never try anything because I saw how I could get hurt just with a regular pretty minor fall, is getting injured from falling more just happen chance of how you hit because I am afraid if I fall doing a bigger jump trying a new trick I would get way more injured than when I got semi-hurt on a freakin groomer.


 

It's a combination of everything. Soft snow definitely makes things better but there is an element of luck. My friend dislocated his hip on a jump that I had literally just watch someone land on their head off and simply roll over and shake the snow out of their jackets.  He managed to land just right on his back and got hurt bad. Flip side I saw snowboarder catch his board on the knuckle of a jump trying a flip and slam hard face first and he was fine. That was hard ice.

 

One hundred percent soft light fluffy snow is not necessarily the best snow for landing either. A firm cohesive snow actually does a much better job of absorbing impact and gives you something to put your feet onto. By firm I don't mean hard I mean snow that has a little bit of resistance to it. It's kinda hard to explain.   

post #15 of 23

I hope you feel better, but in the future that's not a good run to ski too aggressively on. If not for your sake than for all the many novices who fall on it all the time and often places where they can't be spotted easily from above. If you are skiing it fast take a narrower line to skier's left until it opens up. Just my $.02. Glad the new skis are working out well.

post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 

I think I know what you are saying.

 

I am not going to go in because it feels like it is making a little bit of progress. Worst comes to worse and it isn't feeling %100 in a week I am just going to go up and forget the poles and just do stuff I am comfortable with.

 

post #17 of 23

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Originally Posted by drainbamage View Post

I am not going to go in because it feels like it is making a little bit of progress. Worst comes to worse and it isn't feeling %100 in a week I am just going to go up and forget the poles and just do stuff I am comfortable with.


Good luck with that approach.nonono2.gif

post #18 of 23

keep icing it and give it a few days....recovery takes time and even more the older one gets. are you a healthy person? a lifetime athlete? or, new to sport? factor all of these in. Eat well, rest and make a judgment 5 or six days out. I am no medical doctor but I am a person that gets angry when I go to the dr and all they say is recover well and stay off of it/dont use and then send me a bill for more than a new set of skis cost. I'll take the new set of skis, ibuprofen, healthy food and drink (coffee, water, beer) in that order through out the day. Bummer about the shoulder but I cannot support nor tolerate how much the medical industry takes for telling peeps to take an anti-inflammatory and rest......minor contusions! 5 days off or 5 days late for golf season is easier to swallow than a thousand bucks, for me. Good luck, have any Dr. , PA, or PT friends?

post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 

Yeah thanks. I am athletic and young and pretty active outdoorsy so that won't be a problem. It's feelin better already and I really think I can get it %100 in a week or so. I believe I just bruised the muscle perfectly and I was a little concerned being so immobile with it at first but I have been doing stretches and stuff and it's feelin better.

 

I was laughing after the whole thing happened though because literally the run before or a few laps befopre the crash, I got stopped by an instructor teaching and I had just ducked an Avalanche Rope (If you leave from Watson's shelter and don't go all the way around the angle station but just that cat track to the right of the angle but to the left of that ditch/gully, there is a rope that goes along side the left side of that gully and I had ducked it farther down knowing that gully was open) and then came back onto the groomer where he meeted me, he gave me a warning and I was scared he was going to pull my ticket. I was thinking afterwards that if I seriously hurt my soulder which I knew was unlikely, I would have been better off getting my ticket clipped!

post #20 of 23

One of the other posts is right--no one can diagnose you over the internet, but a doctor (which I am) can tell enough to tell you that you should have an exam and an xray.  You might be fine in which case I'm glad, but it sounds to me like you haven't gone in because you're afraid of what you'll find out (or you don't have good insurance, which I understand.)

post #21 of 23

let me ask you a different question, what's the con of going in?  

 

Exactly what are you losing to go in or what are you afraid of?

$20 copay and maybe a little bit of time?  

What exactly is your insurance policy and how much will it cost you?


Otherwise, it's dumb to be paying for insurance and not use it.  If you bust the windshield on your car, and you have glass coverage, why don't you make a claim, even if there is a deductible.

 

And your body/health is much more important than your car.

post #22 of 23

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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

let me ask you a different question, what's the con of going in?  

 


As someone else said, I think he's afraid he may learn he did some serious damage.

post #23 of 23

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If you have to ask people on the interweb their opinion on whether you are hurt or not...

 

You will know when you need medical attention.

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