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post #31 of 80

Mine seem to seal up pretty good...  If you look closely at the lower part of the overlap they put a little lip in the plastic at the very edge for a seal, instead of a rubber gasket.  I never really liked those things anyway because they would come loose/wear out and then the boot would REALLY leak.  When I put them on, I can barely fit a piece of paper between the overlap.  I talked to a couple of boot fitter buddies and they said they have only heard great things from people who bought them.  I'm wondering if you got a bunk pair?  If you like the boot, I would go with the advice above and get a boot sock.  They might not look "cool", but they will still have the great fit and performance...

 

I feel your pain though, bummer to buy a killer and expensive boot that leaks like that.  Maybe send it back to Lange after the season and see what they do?

 

I do have a high instep though, and so does the 2012 boot...  That could be the issue, like was mentioned above.

post #32 of 80

Update on this: so after doing the intuition heat mold and no longer having cold toes, just for kicks I hit the mountain using the stock liners again and my toes weren't cold.  So I'm wondering if there was in fact leakage going on, and all of the outward pressure on the forefoot of the shell during the intuition molding caused the overlap to tighten up.  That's the only way I can make sense of it.

post #33 of 80

 

Have about 25 days of mid-west skiing in mine.  About me; 6'1, 230, Advance Intermediate / Expert skiing.  Skiing either Fischer Progessor 10's or Line Influence 105s.  Feet:  Wide with thick calves.  Here is what I have found:

 

Pros

  • Heel lock is terrific.  Roomy toe box.  Cuff is wide enough to accommodate my calves.  Did need to have the boot stretched in a few places for some hot spots.
  • The liner packed out nicely - was "miserable" the first several days but very, very happy now.
  • The upright stance took a bit of getting use to, but now love it.  Came from a pair of Tecnica Icons and it was quite a change.
  • In the shop, did not feel as firm as I thought a 130 should feel.  However on the slopes, can't say that I noticed any more/less flex - just enjoying it.
  • When walking the grip soles are great on icey days.

 

Cons

  • Am in the mid-west so a "powder day" here is 2"-3".  Jealous of most everyone else on this forum. However, they do leak.  I can see snow right through the translucent shell on the inside of my boot.  Not where I want snow, and not great.  Toes get cold easily - never an issue with my Tecnicas. 
  • In my opinion, the biggest issue is that the overlap is not enough.  And with a wide, large volume foot, am right at the edge of properly sealing the gap when buckling up.
  • Specifically, I have put the boots away and noticed that the overlap under neath the 3rd buckle (or 2nd from the top) got reversed and pinched itself on the plastic - and created a sharp point into the front of the ankle when wearing them the next time.  Much more careful now. 
  • The 5th buckle design.  The clamp and materials look like it was designed by U-Haul as a tie down.  Swapped out for a Booster strap.  

 

Wanted to "love" the boots.  And at the moment - we are in "like", but seem to be moving towards happier times! Several comments about swapping out the liners and that might be the next step.  

 

Lastly, thanks to everyone on this forum for the quality of contributions and opinions.  Might be my second post in 5 years - and appreciate everyone's passion to this forum and skiing! 

 

 

post #34 of 80
Thread Starter 

I finally got the boots on the hill this weekend.  Coming from much lesser boots it was instantaneous to feel the difference.  The control I felt over the skis was something I have never felt.  Even the feel for the conditions beneath me was eye opening.  I just have never exerienced what a properly fitted boot can do.

 

Skiing - I can honestly say that I was making some of the best turns and having the most fun I have had on skis in a long time, ok ever.  I just seemed to have been making less mistakes.  It felt like I was getting thrown back quite often in my older boots, but not in these. 

 

Fit - The big question was fit and comfort.  The boots felt great the whole day.  I didn't have to adjust at any point.  Toes stayed relatively warm.  Note: it wasn't the coldest day on the hill.  (28 and windy)  Couldn't test the waterproofness of the boots and may not be an issue for me as we don't get powder days here in Wisconsin. 

 

Conclusion: I am so pumped to get these out to Aspen in April.  I hope conditions keep getting better out there.

 

 

Thanks to everyone for their insight.

 

Brian

post #35 of 80

I had previously skied a softer Atomic Hawx 80-flex boot for a couple seasons.

 

This season I bought ( via a fitting )  Lange RX 100, and luv them as the fit & comfort are great.

 

As an RX 100 owner, am I "missing much" by not venturing to the RX 130 ?

 

- Andy

post #36 of 80

I had these boots out yesterday at 0 degrees F with ultra thin smartwool socks and my feet weren't cold at all. Fit is great for me, and I love the upright stance.  I haven't been in any deep snow yet (probably tomorrow) so I can't comment on leaking. They haven't leaked yet.

 

With regard to the question about RX100 vs RX 130, I think it depends on your skiing style. I'm  6 foot 190 lbs and ski hard all the time, so the 130 flex is fine for me. If you're lighter and ski easier, then definately a softer flex would be better. I probably could have done fine with the RX 120.

post #37 of 80
Thread Starter 

Andy, I was a little concerned about the 130 flex also.  True story...when I first got them and was trying them on the first time I was having difficulty getting my foot in the boot.  After a few tries I succumbed to reading the manual.  After following the directions for pulling up on the liner my foot pops right in.  Being an Advanced Intermediate skier skiing with my kids 90% of time I thought they may be a little tough to ski.  Actually, it is quite the opposite.  I love the flex of the boot as well as fit.  I am really happy I went with the 130 at this point.  They are ready when I can push it and they don't seem to be too stiff when I do the blues with the kids.  I am really happy with them right now.  I also looked at the RX 100 and 120, but they were not available from my retailer.  On a side note (and from a much lesser importance) I am digging the green color.

 

Brian

post #38 of 80
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Originally Posted by givethepigeye View Post



How is the heel hold?  Ive got about a small sharpie fit on mine lengthwise (10mm).  My feet measure 283/104 and 287/104 according to my Surefoot beds and am in a 27.5 (316 shell LV, 97mm) and feel I have a bit of extra space in the forefooot and have had some padding in the achilles on the stock liner (which was perfect).  Did the Intuition fill up the front?  Assume the foam expands a bit when heated

 


I have found the heel hold to be the best of any boot I have skied in my 40 years of skiing.  Now if they just didn't leak so bad.

 

I have also recently noticed that some boots that came into our shop later in the season, had a slightly different power strap.  The webbing strap is thicker but the cam buckle is smaller than the ones on mine.

 

Rick G
 

 

post #39 of 80
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Originally Posted by rickg View Post


I have found the heel hold to be the best of any boot I have skied in my 40 years of skiing.  Now if they just didn't leak so bad.

 

I have also recently noticed that some boots that came into our shop later in the season, had a slightly different power strap.  The webbing strap is thicker but the cam buckle is smaller than the ones on mine.

 

Rick G
 

 

Rick, I am in the Cleveland area as well. What shop are you referring to?
 

 

post #40 of 80

Little Mountain Ltd. in Mentor.  However due to the light season I have already been layed off but fortunately still have shop privledges.  If you are looking for something please keep it private and PM me.

 

Rick G

post #41 of 80

It's all good. I was up there a few weeks back picked up some wax and stuff.... I am in Chagrin Falls.

 

post #42 of 80

You have a good shop down there with Geigers.  Though I am sure they are hurting as we are with this crappy weather.

 

Update on my boots and the leaking problem  Our owner talked to Lange about the leaking issue and the poor overlap seal.  At first Lange denied the issue existed and then he talked to someone he knew from his racing days at Lange who admitted their was an issue that will be addressed in next years boots.  He suggested putting a bead of silicone the lower shell to seal the water out.  I dropped them off yesterday and I pick them pack up later today after the silicone cures.  Don't you just hate being a "Beta Tester" for a company that did not fully do their homework?  If the silicone does not work, I will talk to our owner about sending them back in the off season for Lange to evaluate.

 

It is truly a shame as the boot has a great fit and performs extremely well.

 

Rick G

post #43 of 80

This boot fits great... and runs big.  The heel is snugger than one would expect, but the flex is overstated by alot (at least relative to some other brands).  I'm aware the plastic stiffens up in the cold, but still...

 

 

Is the leaking issue going to be fixed for the 2013 models, or were they designed when it was still too late to fix?

post #44 of 80

I waited until I got a couple powder days in my RX 130s before posting. Now that I have I can say that mine haven't leaked a bit (he said, knocking on wood!).

 

I'm skiing the 100mm last with the stock liners and custom footbeds moved over from my previous boots. The lower half of the RX 130 happens to fit my feet extremely well. No punching, grinding or stretching required and I don't anticipate much, if any (unlike my old 98mm Banshees, which needed quite a bit to avoid crushing my 6th toes and inner ankles). I'm lucky, and happy, that Lange decided to make a boot that fits my feet.

 

My toe buckles are tightened only enough to stop them flopping open. My instep buckles are snugged just a bit more, 2-3 turns of the micro-adjusters. This creates the tiniest bit of shell deflection, which is all I need to get a good fit there. (I have slightly but not super high insteps.) Perhaps the overlap doesn't leak because I'm not deforming the lower shell much?

 

The cuffs are another matter. Nobody makes cuffs small enough for my skinny calves without cranking them down, so I was glad to see Lange made it easy to move the cuff notches to their tightest position. The buckles are in the second notch with the micro adjusters about halfway. From experience, as the liners break in I'll slowly tighten the cuff buckles more and more, but there's a large adjustment range and it'll be a long time before I pack these liners out to where it's a problem. Importantly, compressing the cuffs to fit my ankles and calves does not seem to alter the shell around my foot. That's very good.

 

As good as my Banshees were (skied 'em for 10 years) the RX 130s are WAY better. First, they fit almost perfectly OOTB. That's just luck but it makes a huge difference. I have ample toe wiggle room and no excess pressure on the top of my foot, but from there on back and up the cuff these boots hold like a vise (without any pain). The heel hold is absolute perfection. Since I have no natural padding over/around my skinny shin bones I do have to pay close attention to cuff fit. If the buckles aren't snugged exactly right I get pressure points at the tops of the cuffs (especially on my smaller, R foot). Snug the 2nd buckle just right, however, and it pulls my heel back and gives me a consistent, tight fit from the ankles all the way up to the strap. No pressure points, just super ski feel and iron-like control.

 

The upright stance is a big improvement for me. I'm much quicker in the bumps, stronger on high-G carvers, more confident on ice and less fatigued overall.

 

About the flex... I'm 5' 10" but really skinny, < 140lbs. The flex with one bolt removed from the rear cuff seems perfect for me (removing both bolts made the boots too soft). I pounded big bumps last weekend to see if the boots would throw me. Not only did they NOT do that, I've never skied bumps better. I was on top of every turn and skied more aggressive lines than I have before. For me, these boots are fast fast fast and rock solid too. I know what's happening down there every second. Not quite a race boot, but I'm not quite a racer. tongue.gif

 

On stiffness alone I could have gone for the RX 120, but I really wanted the replaceable heel and toe pieces (which really help when walking/climbing) - and you gotta love that GREEN. biggrin.gif

 

 

 

post #45 of 80

My 2011 RX100's just showed the leaking issue on a warm wet day in Snowmass last week.  Wet slush got in pretty clearly on my right foot alone...which is a bit smaller than my left.  I keep the boots clamped fairly snug top to bottom.   My feet have never been cold in these boots wearing the thinnest SmartWool or Euro socks.   But...my right foot was seriously squishy and distracting last Thursday.  Pulled the liner out at lunch and dried everything as best as possible with a washcloth provided by a helpful waitress.

 

I did notice an older European gentleman with brand new RX100's that seemed to have a much bigger toe "dam" that was noticably wider.   I'll be emailing Lange.   Hate to goop things up with silicone or duct tape. 

 

I did NOT notice the wet foot problem in true cold weather/plain snow conditions last year.  Otherwise one of the best fitting boots I've ever owned.

 

Brad

 

 

post #46 of 80
Thread Starter 

Brad,  I will be watching my RX 130s pretty close for this issue next season.  On a side note:  How were conditions in Snowmass and Aspen last week?  Sounds like they were damp.

 

Brian

post #47 of 80

Brian,

 

We skiied last Sunday to Thursday.   Sat and Wed were touching 70 at the base.   We had our wives and kids with us so the focus was on them.  They are young and had a blast--they're used to East Coast molehills.  The blues were fairly well groomed considering the warm weather and lousy year for snow for CO.  I was there this time last year when we got 30" in a couple of days.  The Cirque was closed the first couple of days but not too bad when my buddy and went up while the kids were in lessons.  But a lot of the steeps were just hard and icy and the edges without snow, so we stuck to the fast cruisers and managed our expectations. 

 

Most days by 10 am it was getting pretty soft.  Up top it was pretty hard and scratchy but you kind of expected that.   Heavy mashed potatoes by 2-3 in the afternoon from about halfway down the mountain.  The grooming guys were definitely keeping it skiiable.  Hats off to them.   An unfortunate year but it sure beat being in the office and the kids all had fun and can't wait to go back. 

 

Brad

 

 

post #48 of 80
Thread Starter 

Hey Brad,

 

We had the van packed to the gills ready to roll out to Aspen on Friday, March 30th to ski the whole next week.  We were watching the conditions pretty closely and I was in contact with a Concierge from Aspen Ski co for the whole week.  When he told me they started to close terrain and I received a blog post here on Epic the night before talking about the Mtn would be pretty icy we pulled the plug on the trip and headed to Florida.  I also have kids and we were all really disappointed not to be going, but it just wasn't a good snow year this year.  I think my kids were thinking it would be like last year when we received 13" one night while we were out there. 

 

Back to the original topic.  I purchased my RX130's late in the year this year so I only got one day on them.  However, that day was really good and I really liked them. 

 

Can't wait for many more and hopefully Aspen again next year.

 

Brian

post #49 of 80

Update on my RX 130s after a week at Taos (I had 4-5 days on them in New England before that).

 

Conditions ranged from:

  • boot-top powder on Day 1 (this season, that qualifies for a YOO-HOO!)
  • cut up crud
  • frozen morning corduroy
  • afternoon softness, verging on sludge near the bottom

 

Terrain ranged from... well, it was Taos, so it ranged pretty high.

 

Generally, the RX 130s skied brilliantly. They happen to fit my feet, ankles, heels and calves really well OOTB (Yay!). No gaps anywhere, just a solid connection from the arch/instep area all the way back and up the cuff. That makes these heavy boots ski "light, almost like there's nothing between me and the skis. Regardless of speed or conditions, I always knew what the skis were doing and they always did just what my feet told them to do - instantly. (Whether what my feet told the skis to do made any sense is another question, lol, but the boots never failed to communicate instantly and accurately.)

 

Moisture leakage? Yes, I got a little, but only on warmer days after skiing in soft or slushy snow. Oddly, there was no leakage on the powder day, even though I made sure the boots stayed well buried at all times. biggrin.gif  If they must leak I'd rather have it be in warm conditions than in one of New England's bone chilling cold snaps. A flaw, but perhaps a minor and liveable one for me.

 

More important, for me, is that the liners are breaking in FAST. By week's end, after just 10 days in the boots, I was a full two notches tighter on both cuff buckles and 1.5 notches tighter on the instep buckles. At this rate I'll be a candidate for Intuitions (or something) before long. I thought these liners would resist compression more than this, being fairly dense to begin with. That's a minor disappointment in a boot I otherwise love.

 

Still the best boots I've ever skied in, by a large margin.

 

post #50 of 80

Well, my boots didn't leak this past weekend...

 

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... as much as they normally do.  But it wasn't all that wet a day either.


Edited by JayT - 5/2/12 at 3:27pm
post #51 of 80
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Well, my boots didn't leak this past weekend...

 

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Just the opposite of putting lipstick on a pig. Make's 'em look like my ancient Banshees.  frown.gif

 

Oddly, that wouldn't help with mine. I'd have to tape between the first and second buckles, which would make getting into them really adventurous.

 
 

 

post #52 of 80
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Oddly, that wouldn't help with mine. I'd have to tape between the first and second buckles, which would make getting into them really adventurous.

 
 

 



Tried putting a bit (2mm thick perhaps) of compressive foam under the overlap yet?

 

..or there's Boot Gloves.

post #53 of 80

 

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Tried putting a bit (2mm thick perhaps) of compressive foam under the overlap yet?

 

..or there's Boot Gloves.


Good suggestion! I haven't done anything yet, my RX 130's leakage is so minor it's barely noticeable. Closed cell foam should work and would be easy to do. I've got some lying about too. I could even set up a side business!

 

Boot Gloves? And cover up my pretty, green toenails?! Grrrr!!!

 

 

 
 

 

post #54 of 80

Update on my Lange Leakers (RX130).  The shop where I bought them and work p/t sent them back to Lange at the end of March.  I just got word that he got credit for them, not a replacement as I had hoped.  So I guess I start all over again next fall.  Assuming that our shop is still carrying Langes next fall and assuming that Lange has fixed this issue, I will probably go with 2013's version of this otherwise most excellent boot.

 

Rick G

post #55 of 80

Never had a problem with air or moisture leakage. 60 days or so on them and can't be any more pleased with them. Liners are are still great, I have experienced very little pack out.  Not saying that others couldn't have an issue, it would pretty amazing if a product came out that didn't have a certain number of boots without issues, that's why there are customer service departments icon14.gif  Sounds like Lange is taking care of their customers and doing the right thing. I am actually going to the Xt next season for the AT ability.   RX130 pro's 26.5's never touched by a fitter will be for sale...... 

post #56 of 80

Just to update an old thread.  I sent my Lange Leakers back to Lange at the end of the season and they were replaced.  The first replacement pair came in with a noticeable gap in the overlap, plus they were mismatched sizes so of course they went right back to Lange.  The 2nd pair is  from a later production where there are obvious changes / improvements to the boots.  No gap in the overlap, slightly different liner and power strap.  So far they feel good but I am just starting the fit process all over again. 

 

Wish me luck.

 

Rick g

post #57 of 80
Thread Starter 

Hey Rick,

 

Thanks for the update.  Due to the poor season last year I only got one day on my new 130's.  If you have the time could you post a picture of how the new boots look with the noticeable lack of a gap?  Just curious how my boots compare.

 


Thanks

Brian
 

post #58 of 80

Lange also replaced my boots - the ones in the photo above with duct tape on them.  The gap that led to leakage wasn't easily visible on mine, but they sure did leak.

post #59 of 80

I am having the exact same leakage problems with my Rossignol Experience 130 boots - which also have the same green lowers. I believe these Rossi boots are from the same molds as the Lange (and exhibit the same leakage issues). Both companies are owned by the same parent and the fit, reduced ramp, and relaxed forward lean all seem identical.

 

Clear 3M duct tape across the toe dams has reduced the daily leaking by about half, but the rest of the leaking is coming in between the lower two buckles at the overlap. I've skied them 24 days so far this season and every other ski day I need to pull the liners so they'll fully dry. I would like to explore the idea of putting some weatherstrip material inside the overlap, since pulling the liners is becoming a real drag - and the boots do ski really well and I'm told have helped my skiing. Sending them back really isn't an option for me...

 

 

1000

post #60 of 80
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Originally Posted by CHRISfromRI View Post

I am having the exact same leakage problems with my Rossignol Experience 130 boots - which also have the same green lowers. I believe these Rossi boots are from the same molds as the Lange (and exhibit the same leakage issues). Both companies are owned by the same parent and the fit, reduced ramp, and relaxed forward lean all seem identical.

 

Clear 3M duct tape across the toe dams has reduced the daily leaking by about half, but the rest of the leaking is coming in between the lower two buckles at the overlap. I've skied them 24 days so far this season and every other ski day I need to pull the liners so they'll fully dry. I would like to explore the idea of putting some weatherstrip material inside the overlap, since pulling the liners is becoming a real drag - and the boots do ski really well and I'm told have helped my skiing. Sending them back really isn't an option for me...

 

 

1000

 

Same boots, same problem. I just added weather stripping along the opening, though I haven't resorted to any duct tape just yet. Will test it out tomorrow.

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