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Can someone tell me the difference between the Atomic GS skis in this photo

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Atomic for sale.JPG

 

A FIS racer has switched to Fischer and is selling off his Atomics. He said that both the 188 and the 191 are skis with turn radius 27m but that the shorter is easier to turn. Now when I look at the skis I see that they have different bindings and graphics. Can you guys with much Atomic knowledge give input here.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 19

Looks like the pair on the left are the '09-'10 model year with 1018 bindings and the other two are '10-'11 with X series bindings.

post #3 of 19

The one on left is 2010 model with 1018 binders...

 

The other two are 2011 model with X-binders...

Just check Atomic specs for these years... But pretty sure they are R>27m.

 

post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your input guys. So is the binding a reason for buying eather one? And is the ski different in any other way?

post #5 of 19

they're all big skis...I'm skiing on this year's 183 GS with 24.3 sidecut, which is the women's WC ski.  I prefer the X bindings, but I'd get the one on the left, which is last year's 188 with the 1018s...

 

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Thanks for your input guys. So is the binding a reason for buying eather one? And is the ski different in any other way?



 

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post

they're all big skis...I'm skiing on this year's 183 GS with 24.3 sidecut, which is the women's WC ski.  I prefer the X bindings, but I'd get the one on the left, which is last year's 188 with the 1018s...

 



 


 

Does it have the tail pc of metal? The ones of plastic keep on braking. It looks metal in the photo but I dont know for sure.

 

Thanks.
 

 

post #7 of 19
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Does it have the tail pc of metal?



Yes, metal heel piece.

post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks cantunamunch.

 

Tom

post #9 of 19

The skis 09/10 and 10/11 should be the same the difference being just the graphics you see in the picture.

The 188 and 191 are different skis with slightly different dimensions (188: 101-68-87/29 m, 191: 103.2-68-88.2/28.5 m). Those 10/11 191 cm are either D2 GS WC/EC AA0009080 or D2 GS EC/MAS AA0009100.

 

The old Race 1018 binding is basically a facelift of the 30-year-old Ess v.a.r., a simple toe but working good enough to hold all the Maiers etc. The new X 18/X 20 was said to have some prelease issues in the first generation (09/10 on WC) but should be OK by now.

 

As to possible differences between some Atomics there is, unfortunately, an issue and warning you might find useful.

I got a pair of current (11/12) D2 GS in 190 cm, AA0018100, 104.5-68-88.3. I was shocked to find out the ski doesn´t behave as a racestock GS. I still have and ski the 09/10 191 cm which is a perfect tool as it should be and as all serious GS skis are. The new ski reminds me of the first generation of the recreational VF 73 – absolutely no race performance. I´m currently trying to find out WTF it means and either get the solid AA0018080 191 cm instead or get rid of the s**t asap. It is definitely not skiable as a GS ski.

The ski feels like there are no real titanal layers inside, just the cap, some wood (or even Densolite?) and maybe some narrow sheet of metal under the core like some of later commercial Betas had. It is also suspiciously light compared to my old 191 cm although the X 18 binding can´t be lighter than the old Race 1018. A totally different ski, to put it simply.

I´d appreciate any experience and/or info helping me understand the issue.

(This is no anti-Atomic attack. Just a sad post and a sad skier. I had been working in an Atomic test center for almost 3 seasons till 09/10 and their skis are still my preference.)

 

 

post #10 of 19

Huh...that's pretty strange.  The stuff I'm skiing on for GS isn't anywhere near that big.  Last year, I was using the 184 (26.2M) and this year I switched to the 183 (24.3M), which are both Women's WC FIS skis. I have two pairs of the 183s, and they've been just great for Masters GS, which includes 1:08 seconds plus FIS style GS at Vail.  I've also forerun four men's FIS GS courses on this ski, and it did just fine...

 

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Originally Posted by checkracer View Post

The skis 09/10 and 10/11 should be the same the difference being just the graphics you see in the picture.

The 188 and 191 are different skis with slightly different dimensions (188: 101-68-87/29 m, 191: 103.2-68-88.2/28.5 m). Those 10/11 191 cm are either D2 GS WC/EC AA0009080 or D2 GS EC/MAS AA0009100.

 

The old Race 1018 binding is basically a facelift of the 30-year-old Ess v.a.r., a simple toe but working good enough to hold all the Maiers etc. The new X 18/X 20 was said to have some prelease issues in the first generation (09/10 on WC) but should be OK by now.

 

As to possible differences between some Atomics there is, unfortunately, an issue and warning you might find useful.

I got a pair of current (11/12) D2 GS in 190 cm, AA0018100, 104.5-68-88.3. I was shocked to find out the ski doesn´t behave as a racestock GS. I still have and ski the 09/10 191 cm which is a perfect tool as it should be and as all serious GS skis are. The new ski reminds me of the first generation of the recreational VF 73 – absolutely no race performance. I´m currently trying to find out WTF it means and either get the solid AA0018080 191 cm instead or get rid of the s**t asap. It is definitely not skiable as a GS ski.

The ski feels like there are no real titanal layers inside, just the cap, some wood (or even Densolite?) and maybe some narrow sheet of metal under the core like some of later commercial Betas had. It is also suspiciously light compared to my old 191 cm although the X 18 binding can´t be lighter than the old Race 1018. A totally different ski, to put it simply.

I´d appreciate any experience and/or info helping me understand the issue.

(This is no anti-Atomic attack. Just a sad post and a sad skier. I had been working in an Atomic test center for almost 3 seasons till 09/10 and their skis are still my preference.)

 

 



 

post #11 of 19

The left is 09-10, the right two are 10-11's. The twelves have white carbon double bridges verse the last three years of black double decks.

 

TDK6 if you were to pick up the two on the right and read the yellow tail section it will read the sidecuts and the radius.

post #12 of 19

I think the issue with these atomic gs skis versus more traditional gs ski is that they don't feel as good on ones feet if coming from a much more traditional ski. I find the non-FIS atomic gs ski to be soft and squishy and the ski doesnt provide a very stable platform when i set an edge hard. It is much more conducive to a roll or more of a finese type movement. Perhaps the racestock skis are a little burlier.

 

post #13 of 19

I'm lost.  I don't think the non-FIS Atomics are all that wimpy, but your mileage may vary.  But the skis in the initial post are FIS Atomic GSs, and they're plenty beefy...

 

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I think the issue with these atomic gs skis versus more traditional gs ski is that they don't feel as good on ones feet if coming from a much more traditional ski. I find the non-FIS atomic gs ski to be soft and squishy and the ski doesnt provide a very stable platform when i set an edge hard. It is much more conducive to a roll or more of a finese type movement. Perhaps the racestock skis are a little burlier.

 



 

post #14 of 19


Really?   confused.gif
 

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Originally Posted by shoal007 View Post

I think the issue with these atomic gs skis versus more traditional gs ski is that they don't feel as good on ones feet if coming from a much more traditional ski. I find the non-FIS atomic gs ski to be soft and squishy and the ski doesnt provide a very stable platform when i set an edge hard. It is much more conducive to a roll or more of a finese type movement. Perhaps the racestock skis are a little burlier.

 



 

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

He said that both the 188 and the 191 are skis with turn radius 27m but that the shorter is easier to turn. Now when I look at the skis I see that they have different bindings and graphics. Can you guys with much Atomic knowledge give input here.

 

Thanks

 

The 188's are easier to turn because they have a shorter turn radius than the 191's; it's as simple as that.  Neither the 188's or 191's really have a turn radius of 27m, as you state.  The FIS standard is that the turn radius must be a minimum of 27m, and in previous years Atomic produced FIS GS skis of different lengths with the turn radius getting larger as the length increased.  If memory serves, I believe the 183cm length was close to 27m, and it went up from there.  My three year old 191cm non-D2 FIS GS skis have a turn radius of almost 30m.  Nowadays Atomic only builds their FIS skis in a 191cm length, and the radius is 28.5m.  I don't remember the specs of the older 188cm skis, but I suspect the radius is somewhere between 27.5m and 28m... which is why the racer who is selling the skis said the 188's are easier to turn.
 

 

post #16 of 19

 

 

Men's FIS D2 GS ski come as short as 181, 186 and 190 and are 27.5,  27.5 and 28.5 respectively. The there is the Gs D2 World Cup/Europa Cup in a 191 that is 28.5 All 4 of these skis are FIS RAce legal.

 

The there are the women's skis in a 175, 183 and 184 which are  23.5  24 and 26.5 respectively.

 

I recently spent a day on the Women's 183cm  24M ski. Unless I was doing about 40+ MPH they were difficult. Extremely burly!

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Originally Posted by exracer View Post

 

The 188's are easier to turn because they have a shorter turn radius than the 191's; it's as simple as that.  Neither the 188's or 191's really have a turn radius of 27m, as you state.  The FIS standard is that the turn radius must be a minimum of 27m, and in previous years Atomic produced FIS GS skis of different lengths with the turn radius getting larger as the length increased.  If memory serves, I believe the 183cm length was close to 27m, and it went up from there.  My three year old 191cm non-D2 FIS GS skis have a turn radius of almost 30m.  Nowadays Atomic only builds their FIS skis in a 191cm length, and the radius is 28.5m.  I don't remember the specs of the older 188cm skis, but I suspect the radius is somewhere between 27.5m and 28m... which is why the racer who is selling the skis said the 188's are easier to turn.
 

 



 

post #17 of 19

The 183 24.3 M ski is what many of us in Rocky Mountain Masters are using for GS.  Yep, it takes a little work to get the turn started, but once you get it up on edge and bend it, it's a sweet ski.  I got a look at next year's Atomic FIS catalog, and here are the choices:

 

- 195 cm, 35M sidecut.  Yep, this is next year's Men's FIS ski, and my local Atomic race shop isn't even going to sell this puppy.

 

- 188 cm., 30M sidecut. This is next year's  Women's FIS ski, and I think we're all going to pass on that one, too. 

 

- 190 cm, 27 M.  This is what the catalog says, but it's probably 28.5, as you say below. 

 

- 183, 23M.  My guess is that this is really 24M or thereabouts.  Anyway, even though I have two pairs of this year's 183s, I'm going to get a pair of next year's 183s, because the year after...who knows if a 183, 24M ski is even going to be available?

 

Oh yeah, also another pair of 165 non-D2 SLs, and a pair of the new Atomic Redster 130 boots...

 

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

 

 

Men's FIS D2 GS ski come as short as 181, 186 and 190 and are 27.5,  27.5 and 28.5 respectively. The there is the Gs D2 World Cup/Europa Cup in a 191 that is 28.5 All 4 of these skis are FIS RAce legal.

 

The there are the women's skis in a 175, 183 and 184 which are  23.5  24 and 26.5 respectively.

 

I recently spent a day on the Women's 183cm  24M ski. Unless I was doing about 40+ MPH they were difficult. Extremely burly!



 



 

post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

Men's FIS D2 GS ski come as short as 181, 186 and 190 and are 27.5,  27.5 and 28.5 respectively. The there is the Gs D2 World Cup/Europa Cup in a 191 that is 28.5 All 4 of these skis are FIS RAce legal.

 

I haven't bought new Atomics for a couple of seasons, so I haven't looked into specs for awhile, but their website shows the current men's FIS D2 GS ski as only available in 191cm.  Are they just being lazy on their website?

post #19 of 19

the two sets of skis on the right are atomicD2 GS WC/EC skis and dittoEC?masters. I have just received a set if the first and based upon the artwork i think that this is how it is. the difference between the tow is that the first is somewhat stiffer than the second and therefore less forgiving than the masters. you might like to look on www.my-race.com which might help further i can't wait to get the beasts out on the icy piste. Hope this is of some help the little yellow stripe running from side to side on the tails  ski length 191 Fis compliant and very heavy.

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