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I just came across this drawing.  It looks like KSL is going to be busy.

 

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post #2 of 12

As someone who always just heads straight to the lifts from my car, can you elaborate as to which parts are yet to be constructed?  ALL of the colored part?

post #3 of 12

Do they have any plans to add snowmaking???

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As someone who always just heads straight to the lifts from my car, can you elaborate as to which parts are yet to be constructed?  ALL of the colored part?



The gray parts that say "Not a part" are pretty much what already exist. The colorful parts look like a plan to cover what is currently mostly parking lot or old buildings.

 

Notice the note though. "one scenario of how the Specific Plan could be implemented."

post #5 of 12

Oh wow... I was having trouble finding perspective when I first looked at that but now I see.  That would be pretty crazy.
 

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The gray parts that say "Not a part" are pretty much what already exist. The colorful parts look like a plan to cover what is currently mostly parking lot or old buildings.

 

Notice the note though. "one scenario of how the Specific Plan could be implemented."



 

post #6 of 12

That is a pretty extensive drawing for something that "could" be implemented . Will it be exact? very well not but would it surprise me if it was close to this? I wouldn't be surprised at all. popcorn.gif I will say this season (or lack of) might slow plans down a bit. 

post #7 of 12

Phil, that's a pretty standard drawing for a nice schematic design presentation.  I'm sure there are at least 2 more options presented in similar fashion as well. You're looking at maybe a week's worth of the design team billables.  At this point, it's still pictures and looking at clouds even if it appears otherwise. Sure would be a fun project to work on, that's for sure!

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While they may not build exactly what's drawn, we can see something of their priorities...

 

1. The Members Locker Room is toast.  Will it spring up elsewhere?

2. Squaw Kids could be demolished, presumably to spring up elsewhere.  It probably was too small anyway.

3. Medical clinic to be relocated, I assume

4. The whole Olympic House, Rentals, Sport Shop, Chamois, etc. area looks like it gets a makeover.  Didn't they just build a new tickets/school building right there?  Time to save the Chamois?

5. Parking in garages.  Could be good.  I guess they don't own any land far enough away to do the satellite/shuttle thing.  Might they start charging for parking?

6. The number of beds available at the base is going to be huge.  Where are they going to put all those skiers?

7. Development seems to be creeping up the hill.  In big snow years, that's going to get interesting and/or expensive.

8. The swimming and skating indicate that they've come to their senses and abandoned the idea that people want to do that stuff at High Camp.

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Originally Posted by Xela View Post

While they may not build exactly what's drawn, we can see something of their priorities...

 

1. The Members Locker Room is toast.  Will it spring up elsewhere?   I'd guess it will so long as it pays for itself.

2. Squaw Kids could be demolished, presumably to spring up elsewhere.  It probably was too small anyway. Sounds reasonable. Many areas have put significant resources into their kids' infrastructure. 

3. Medical clinic to be relocated, I assume I'd think that's a safe and good assumption

4. The whole Olympic House, Rentals, Sport Shop, Chamois, etc. area looks like it gets a makeover.  Didn't they just build a new tickets/school building right there?  Time to save the Chamois?

5. Parking in garages.  Could be good.  I guess they don't own any land far enough away to do the satellite/shuttle thing.  Might they start charging for parking? Parking structures;  about 30k per space to build, so it's pretty likely they'll charge.

6. The number of beds available at the base is going to be huge.  Where are they going to put all those skiers?

7. Development seems to be creeping up the hill.  In big snow years, that's going to get interesting and/or expensive. It'd be interesting to know if the design firm knows about Avoriaz, FR, a pedestrian only ski area that uses slopes as 'streets'. The architecture also tries to use the surrounding rock faces as a design departure. Very 70's, but very cool. 

8. The swimming and skating indicate that they've come to their senses and abandoned the idea that people want to do that stuff at High Camp.


Not trying to come off as someone who knows all about Squaw. It's been many many years since skiing there, but always thought it's a great mountain. Resort development in the US is incredibly hit and miss (largely a big miss) that it's exciting to use this as an opportunity to look for successful/interesting examples when we find them and imagine what changes might bring. Hopefully they'll be positive.

 

post #10 of 12

That's just one development concept.  There are others that aren't shown or public, you can be sure of that. However, all the concepts will address most of the same criteria by the client (Squaw) in some fashion. Overall layouts will be mostly similar due to topographic and servicing constraints, possibly environmental.  There will be some differences between the concepts but all of them will make every attempt to maximize the build-out and development opportunities, while still trying to improve the overall amenities for visitors/users.

 

If that concept exists, then they're serious about pursuing development.  To what degree and final layout remains to be seen, but this intent isn't a "maybe".  Just a question of "when" and "what" exactly.

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I think the development plans are interesting.  That is to say that I'm not "for" or "against" development per se.  I think some things at the base really need improvement.  There has never been a good proper base lodge, for instance.  And, as mentioned, the kids program needs to grow again.  Some of Alex Cushing's construction was pretty incongruous.  I guess my concern is where to draw the line on some of the idiosyncratic stuff.  If they build a homogenized IntraWest-style mega-base-area, the area will lose much of what makes Squaw Squaw.  Will any Olympic structures remain?  What construction might be required if there's a Tahoe Olympics in 2022?

 

This is, after all, just one concept plan.  We don't know what the others look like.  We also don't know what the various governmental bodies will say about it.  There will be a long process and the end result may be quite different.

post #12 of 12

Very true.  What ends up in the ground is often very different than the vision.  Hopefully the main positives can survive through the process and see some great improvements.

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