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New Armada JJ's?

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I'm giving some thought to picking up some new skis.  To give you some background, I'm 40 years old, 5-11, 175, and mostly ski trees in North Idaho.  We get new snow fairly regularly, but most of our storms seem to be of the 3"-6" variety.  I've been skiing the 179 cm K2 Obsethed (105 mm underfoot) for the past three seasons and really love how stable, yet pivoty they are.  I find myself leaning back while I'm in deeper snow.  I'm not sure if this is poor form  on my part, skis too short, skis too narrow, bindings too far forward (mounted at +4) or what.  Perhaps I've fallen victim to marketing, but I can't help but think my life would be better with a wider set of skis.  I'm currently giving the Armada JJ's some serious thought.  Questions:  1)  Would the JJ's be too close to my Obsetheds to really matter?  2)  Should I consider something a little bigger like the Atomic Bent Chetler, or would that be over kill for where I spend most of my time?  3)  Is there something else I should consider, or perhaps just ski my Obsetheds into the ground and replace with a similar ski? 

 

Thanks for advance for any thoughts you might have.

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Armada JJ's and the Obsethed's are fairly comparable from what I understand. I've never skied them personally, but from the dimensions, sidecut, etc. I don't know that you'd notice too much of a difference between the two I could be wrong though since again I've never skied them and don't feel 100% comfortable telling anyone too much without skiing on something first. 

 

To give you a really annoying answer, it all comes down to your preferences. I'd do some demo-ing if possible and talk to your local ski shops and feel it out (although be aware that at the end of the day they do want to sell you something). Is this going to be your one quiver ski or are you looking to replace your Obsethed with another powder ski? That would probably help narrow done your options too, but since you spend the majority of your time in the trees (as do i) that's another factor to consider. Haha, sorry to throw out the most ambiguous answer ever hope it helped some? Be safe and enjoy those tree's brotha 

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Thanks for the reply to my meandering question.  Yeah, I'm set to demo the Bent Chetlers and JJ's this year, so hopefully that will clear some things up for me.  I think what I'm really looking to find out is if the JJ's and ('09)Obsethed are too close to warrant owning each and if something like the Bent Chetler would just be over kill here in N. Idaho. 

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I demoed the JJ's, the K2 Side Stash and the new K2 Obsetheds in JH on a 3-4 inches of new snow.  I suppose I could make the JJ's work for me, but I really didn't care for them.  I had a hard time finding the right balance point on them and they got kicked around a bit.  I did like how I could pivot turns with them, but they didn't feel very surfy or stable.  On chopped up snow I got bounced all over the place.  Not very confidence inspiring.  For all the positive things I've heard about these skis over the years, I was surprised that I didn't like them more.  I'm glad I demoed them because they really aren't the skis for me.

 

The Side Stashes were fun.  They made me want to ski fast and ate up the crud.  The traditional tail made me feel like I was locked into a medium to long radius turn.  They just didn't have the playful feel that I enjoy

 

I demoed the new K2 Obsetheds and was blown away!  They are by far the best set of skis I've ever tried.  K2 managed to take everything I love about my old Obsetheds and amplify it in the new model!  They were very fun to ski in a pivoty/surfy way and I could effortlessly make any type of turn I wanted.  On chopped up snow they were super stable. On the day I skied them, there were aspects that had a few inches of new snow on top of sun baked crust.  These skis really bit into the hard snow and allowed me to turn with confidence. They encouraged me to ski harder and more aggressively and made the few inches of snow I had feel like more.  I simply couldn't wait for the lift to get me back up the mountain to ski down on them again.  I wish I could ski the Line Mr. Pollard's Opus to compare.  I have the opportunity to demo the Bent Chetlers, so maybe I'll give them a go, but honestly I loved the Obsetheds so much, it seems pointless.

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I skied the JJ a few weeks ago at mt. bachelor. I have to say, I can't possibly image a  better powder ski than the JJ.. 

 

I'm 5'9" 180 lbs and I skied the 185... DO NOT GO SHORT.. they ski very short.. 

 

the did great on fresh powder.. they turn on a dime.. they can do everything.. Love them love them love them..

 

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Originally Posted by lloydd View Post

I demoed the JJ's, the K2 Side Stash and the new K2 Obsetheds in JH on a 3-4 inches of new snow.  I suppose I could make the JJ's work for me, but I really didn't care for them.  I had a hard time finding the right balance point on them and they got kicked around a bit.  I did like how I could pivot turns with them, but they didn't feel very surfy or stable.  On chopped up snow I got bounced all over the place.  Not very confidence inspiring.  For all the positive things I've heard about these skis over the years, I was surprised that I didn't like them more.  I'm glad I demoed them because they really aren't the skis for me.

 

The Side Stashes were fun.  They made me want to ski fast and ate up the crud.  The traditional tail made me feel like I was locked into a medium to long radius turn.  They just didn't have the playful feel that I enjoy

 

I demoed the new K2 Obsetheds and was blown away!  They are by far the best set of skis I've ever tried.  K2 managed to take everything I love about my old Obsetheds and amplify it in the new model!  They were very fun to ski in a pivoty/surfy way and I could effortlessly make any type of turn I wanted.  On chopped up snow they were super stable. On the day I skied them, there were aspects that had a few inches of new snow on top of sun baked crust.  These skis really bit into the hard snow and allowed me to turn with confidence. They encouraged me to ski harder and more aggressively and made the few inches of snow I had feel like more.  I simply couldn't wait for the lift to get me back up the mountain to ski down on them again.  I wish I could ski the Line Mr. Pollard's Opus to compare.  I have the opportunity to demo the Bent Chetlers, so maybe I'll give them a go, but honestly I loved the Obsetheds so much, it seems pointless.


It must be body types, because I'm a bit heavier than you (5-10 pounds) and I loved the JJ.. I skied them in about a foot of fresh one day and 6" of fresh the other (wet snow, so maybe they would act different in teton light powder ? ).. I also tried them in chopped up powder and packed powder.. I had no issues at all.. ..IF I really had to pick a weakness..I'd say that they are simply not a fast ski..and I can see what u are saying about the point of balance on them..but i skied them perfectly centered and it was fine.. My cousin skies the AK JJ and he was leaning a bit forward more, I tried a more forward lean but I was not a fan..

 

 

 

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The Icelantic demo van came to town this week, in the middle of a storm that brought us 18" over the past few days.  The folks from Icelantic were super cool, the skis were sweet.  All the skis I tried had a very damp/stable feel that I enjoy.  I'd love to support the company, but I think the Obsethed is still out in front.  Here's a quick run down of what I tried:

 

Icelantic Seekers - 167 cm and 189 cm - 150/119/138 with tip rocker and traditional camber.  Fun skis.  Felt like the Side Stash on steroids.  Much easier to vary turn shapes than the Side Stash, but the same stable, confidence inspiring feel.  The 167 cm were obviously way to short.  The 189's skied much easier than I expected.

 

Icelantic Shamans - 173 cm - Fully cambered ski 160/110/130.  I thought this was a little short for me.  The demo guy said I could even ski the next size down.  This was a super floaty ski that turned on a dime.  I wasn't expecting too much out of the traditional camber, but it was a pretty cool ski.  There were several times in the trees that I took a tighter line than I normally would, just because I could.  Out in the open, it got nervous and didn't inspire me to ski as fast as the Gypsy or Seekers.  It felt like it needed to be turning all the time.  I think this might be an awesome tree ski for some place like Red Mtn. 

 

Icelantic Gypsy - 189 cm - 152/125/147 - Full reverse camber.  WOW!  This was an incredible ski.  I was afraid the 189's would be too big, but they were great.  There was a time or two that I could have gone with less ski in the trees, but for the most part they performed wonderfully.  I could ski slowly in the powder and float just fine, but mostly I skied fast with confidence.  I don't jump off a lot of stuff, but these skis made the landings so easy I found myself constantly searching out air.  I could turn any shape and at any time I wanted.  Just a fun fun ski.  I found a soft groomer to ski them down and they were.....OK.  They weren't as "surfy" as the Obsethed, but they definitely inspired confidence and were just fun to ski.  Although they held an edge just fine on a few sections of dust on crust, I'm not sure they would be as much fun as something with a little camber under foot.  I would really like to buy these skis, but I'm afraid the optimal conditions for them just wouldn't come up as often as I'd like here in N. Idaho.  It would have been nice to demo them back to back with the Obsethed.

 

My wife tried the '13 Icelantic Nomads with rocker.  She just put an ad on Craig's list to sell her K2 Missbehaved to buy them.  It definitely took her skiing up a notch and she loved them. 

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I see I murdered the Icelantic "Seeker" review.  Actually, it is the Keeper.  The demo guy told me it had a traditional tail, and it looked like it too.  Looking at Icelantic's web site, they say it has an early rise tail.  Certainly easier to vary turn shapes than the Side Stash, but I didn't think it  had much of a surfy feel to it.

 

4FRNT came to town today.  I got to take out the 4FRNT CRJ, YLE and the new Hoji in about 6" of new snow that was a little on the heavy side by mid-morning. 
 

The CRJ (180 cm 126-115-124) was fine.  It turned easily, floated great, stable enough.  It really didn't impress me all that much.  Nothing really stood out as being great or terrible to me.  I only skied it a couple runs, but it wasn't love at first sight.

 

The YLE (177 cm 138-118-138) was more fun for me.  Definitely had a more surfy feel and was great in the tight trees.   It lacked stability at speed out in the open.  I had fun skiing it, but again, it didn't really speak to me.

 

The Hojie (187cm 130-112-121) was super fun.  This ski had a full reverse camber and I'm starting to think that is the ticket for me.  I didn't feel like I was skiing through the trees so much as I was flowing through the trees.  This was the last ski of the day and the snow was pretty cut up and heavy.  The ski did fine.  My only complaint is that I found myself unable to recover from the backseat a couple times.  I didn't have that problem with the Icelantic Gypsy. 

 

As of right now, I think I'll probably end up pulling the trigger on the Icelantic Gypsy.  I remember the K2 Obsethed as being more fun than any of the other skis.  Hard to say though, because I was in Jackson Hole on some great snow at the time. I like that there would be more of a gap between my old Obsetheds and the Gypsies and I like the idea of supporting a smaller company that hasn't shipped their manufacturing over seas.  The cool walrus top sheet doesn't hurt either.

 

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I demoed the JJ's, the K2 Side Stash and the new K2 Obsetheds in JH on a 3-4 inches of new snow.  I suppose I could make the JJ's work for me, but I really didn't care for them.  I had a hard time finding the right balance point on them and they got kicked around a bit.  I did like how I could pivot turns with them, but they didn't feel very surfy or stable.  On chopped up snow I got bounced all over the place.  Not very confidence inspiring.  For all the positive things I've heard about these skis over the years, I was surprised that I didn't like them more.  I'm glad I demoed them because they really aren't the skis for me.

 

The Side Stashes were fun.  They made me want to ski fast and ate up the crud.  The traditional tail made me feel like I was locked into a medium to long radius turn.  They just didn't have the playful feel that I enjoy

 

I demoed the new K2 Obsetheds and was blown away!  They are by far the best set of skis I've ever tried.  K2 managed to take everything I love about my old Obsetheds and amplify it in the new model!  They were very fun to ski in a pivoty/surfy way and I could effortlessly make any type of turn I wanted.  On chopped up snow they were super stable. On the day I skied them, there were aspects that had a few inches of new snow on top of sun baked crust.  These skis really bit into the hard snow and allowed me to turn with confidence. They encouraged me to ski harder and more aggressively and made the few inches of snow I had feel like more.  I simply couldn't wait for the lift to get me back up the mountain to ski down on them again.  I wish I could ski the Line Mr. Pollard's Opus to compare.  I have the opportunity to demo the Bent Chetlers, so maybe I'll give them a go, but honestly I loved the Obsetheds so much, it seems pointless.

I just want to thank you for taking time writing about the skis, it helped me a lot in making the choice myself! I will go for the K2 Obsethed, found it in a local store with a Marker jester 18.

So thanks again!

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Good to hear.  You're going to have a great season on those Obsetheds!

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