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post #31 of 55
4/23/12 at 4:41pm
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Bump about MX changes. Earlier, Phil said that hollowtech cutout on MX88 is larger, and there's elliptical sidecut, both have minimal impact. Elsewhere read that MX88 will have early rise, and that elliptical sidecut is noticeable. Curious which of these is true (none, some, all) and whether other MX's will have same changes. All I can see from the pics is the logo has changed a bit...

 

MX88 does not have easy rise, the BMX does, I think there was some confusion in the two models. I skied the current MX and next years MX back to back, I didn't see much if any of a difference, what can be expected, they both have the same exact dimensions. 

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post #32 of 55
4/24/12 at 2:08pm

Thanks Phil. Keep hoping they'll give the fatter MX's and FX's a tweak in the rise department, but obviously not this year...frown.gif

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post #33 of 55
9/7/12 at 8:20am

how does the solomon   enduro 850 fit in to this comparison  

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post #34 of 55
9/7/12 at 8:28am
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how does the solomon   enduro 850 fit in to this comparison  

EndUro 850 is a damn nice ski and is on the power side of the power/finesse scale. Along with the Enduro 800, these two could be very well the best frontside skis Salomon has ever offered. 

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post #35 of 55
9/7/12 at 6:51pm

what ski would you say is like just like the enduro 850 but with a bit more finesse 

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post #36 of 55
9/7/12 at 9:32pm
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what ski would you say is like just like the enduro 850 but with a bit more finesse 

 

Just like it only different??...................uhhhhhhhhh.........................

 

SJ

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post #37 of 55
9/8/12 at 7:36am

yes just like in in the power , stability, dampness  dept. but as phil mentioned above its more on the power side of the power / finesse scale . so the question was...... is there something out there that has all those great qualities we all like about the 850 but with more of the finesse .

i actually would of loved to see a bit more pop out of last years 850 otherwise its a super ski . would  you say the kastle 83  is all that mentioned or ??

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post #38 of 55
9/8/12 at 9:09am
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yes just like in in the power , stability, dampness  dept. but as phil mentioned above its more on the power side of the power / finesse scale . so the question was...... is there something out there that has all those great qualities we all like about the 850 but with more of the finesse .

i actually would of loved to see a bit more pop out of last years 850 otherwise its a super ski . would  you say the kastle 83  is all that mentioned or ??

 

The new Blizzard Magnum 8.5 will give you a bit more finesse due to the flip cores early rise tip and tail and still has a nice a bit of power. 

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post #39 of 55
9/11/12 at 6:38pm

how does  that tip and tail riser feel  on the 8.5 ?  is it similar to the type of skiing as the rtm volkl line (like a system ski feel ) or do the blizzards feel a bit more damp

like the enduro ......thank you in advance
 

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post #40 of 55
9/11/12 at 8:34pm
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how does  that tip and tail riser feel  on the 8.5 ?  is it similar to the type of skiing as the rtm volkl line (like a system ski feel ) or do the blizzards feel a bit more damp

like the enduro ......thank you in advance
 

 

Not similar to the RTM at all, it has much more life than the RTM due to the camber underfoot, the feel is close to the Enduro 850, but i don't feel it to be damn, but more so smooth and powerful. 

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post #41 of 55
9/12/12 at 9:23am

do you like the 8.5 ti for mostly  east coast skiing as 1 ski quiver 

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post #42 of 55
9/12/12 at 9:28am
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do you like the 8.5 ti for mostly  east coast skiing as 1 ski quiver 

 

How much do you weigh? 

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post #43 of 55
9/12/12 at 11:37am

5'10 , 190lbs , 44yrs old

dont want to work too hard anymore on getting in those short turns during the day and have the a ability to

switch gears back to 5th  gear overdrive toward the end of the day 

 

thank you 

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post #44 of 55
9/13/12 at 7:33am

Hi, Phil,

 

GREAT thread!  Looking forward to the Loveland demos!  This thread zeroed in on several skis I'm looking forward to trying (esp. Kastle MX 83 and Blizzard Magnum 8.0.  A few questions: 

 

The Magnum is offered in Carbon and Ti versions.  Did you try both?  How would you compare them and do you think one might be a better bet for me (165 lbs., using this ski primarily on the front side, but will take it into bumps and crud at a good clip)? 

 

Also, I see Volkl has added a V-Werks version to the RTM 84.  Other then being a claimed 15% lighter, do they ski any differently from the regular RTMs?  The RTMs didn't seem that heavy to begin with.

 

Thanks!

Mike

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post #45 of 55
9/13/12 at 7:50am
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Hi, Phil,

 

GREAT thread!  Looking forward to the Loveland demos!  This thread zeroed in on several skis I'm looking forward to trying (esp. Kastle MX 83 and Blizzard Magnum 8.0.  A few questions: 

 

The Magnum is offered in Carbon and Ti versions.  Did you try both?  How would you compare them and do you think one might be a better bet for me (165 lbs., using this ski primarily on the front side, but will take it into bumps and crud at a good clip)? 

 

Also, I see Volkl has added a V-Werks version to the RTM 84.  Other then being a claimed 15% lighter, do they ski any differently from the regular RTMs?  The RTMs didn't seem that heavy to begin with.

 

Thanks!

Mike

 

I did ski the 8.0CA and the Ti and as you can see I named the CA as a Steals & Deals winner For a lighter guy the CA would be great for you, the 8.0Ti is actually closer in performance to the 8.5Ti. 

 

The V-Werks is a smoother more refined RTM84, it is a bit more sprite and it is a much better looking ski, if that matters. 

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post #46 of 55
9/13/12 at 10:01am

Phil,

any last thoughts on my  weight and the east coast 1 ski quiver

looks like 8.5ti vs enduro850

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post #47 of 55
9/13/12 at 10:25am
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Phil,

any last thoughts on my  weight and the east coast 1 ski quiver

looks like 8.5ti vs enduro850

You and I are about the same size and weight. The 8.5 has a slightly bigger sweetspot and will be slightly better off piste, but both are great skis and can't go wrong either way. 

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post #48 of 55
9/13/12 at 11:50am

last question , promise!!!

do you think the 8.5.is better on the shorter raduis turns , it felt like i had to push the enduro on those

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post #49 of 55
9/13/12 at 12:19pm
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last question , promise!!!

do you think the 8.5.is better on the shorter raduis turns , it felt like i had to push the enduro on those

Marginally better. The Enduro does need a bit more speed to get it going but we are really just spitting hairs here. 

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post #50 of 55
9/19/12 at 9:15am

Hey Phil , 

I ordered the 8.5ti last night at the local store but just realized that he suggested the ski flat and marker griffon binding on it , but i just looked at the blizzard site and it looks like they offer them with the suspension technology ....

whats the better move ???

 

thank you again 

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post #51 of 55
9/19/12 at 9:31am
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Hey Phil , 

I ordered the 8.5ti last night at the local store but just realized that he suggested the ski flat and marker griffon binding on it , but i just looked at the blizzard site and it looks like they offer them with the suspension technology ....

whats the better move ???

 

thank you again 

 

Stick with a flat mount, you will be happy. 

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post #52 of 55
9/20/12 at 7:15am

Tend to agree about flat skis, but here, isn't the Blizzard binding just a rebadged Griffon? And I though that for the regular Ti - as contrasted with the M-Power - the "suspension" was just the two carbon stringers, not the plate. Wrong? th_dunno-1[1].gif

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post #53 of 55
9/20/12 at 8:56am
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Tend to agree about flat skis, but here, isn't the Blizzard binding just a rebadged Griffon? And I though that for the regular Ti - as contrasted with the M-Power - the "suspension" was just the two carbon stringers, not the plate. Wrong? th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

No, it is a whole plate system and it is not the Griffon style binding they have used in the past for the previous Suspension or IQ Max systems. 

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post #54 of 55
9/20/12 at 10:47am

Good to know, stand corrected (Always wondered how to do that. On one leg? Or on head?) biggrin.gif

 

And since only familiar with previous incarnations, do I take your comment as "Not impressed with this version?" Or "Never impressed, period." I kinda like the Power suspension, and never found the regular non-piston to be objectionable. Unlike some stuff from Nordica or Salomon or Dynastar that shall remain nameless...

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post #55 of 55
9/20/12 at 11:24am
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Good to know, stand corrected (Always wondered how to do that. On one leg? Or on head?) biggrin.gif

 

And since only familiar with previous incarnations, do I take your comment as "Not impressed with this version?" Or "Never impressed, period." I kinda like the Power suspension, and never found the regular non-piston to be objectionable. Unlike some stuff from Nordica or Salomon or Dynastar that shall remain nameless...

 

I just don't think the ski needs it. The 8.0 and 8.5 ski so nice with a rigid flat mount binding like a Sth or Pivot, the U.S. Blizzard guys also felt the same way since that is the way they are bringing them to sell here. 

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