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2013 "Living in the 80's" mid 80mm ski previews and demo from SIA

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Here are some blurbs on some NEW (or improved) 2013 skis that are in the mid 80's waste range, fill reviews will be added when the 2013 product pages are created. 

 

Rossignol Pursuit 81

Tested: 178cm

 

This us a replacement for the popular Avenger 82Ti. While I was not a complete fan of the 82Ti, I found it to be a bit planky and one dimensional, I found the new Pursuit to be much more versatile and playful with a longer built in turn radius of 18m. 

 

Kastle MX83

Tested: 183cm

A new addition to the Kastle MX line. I was really excited to get on this ski. The MX83 incorporates Kastles new Elliptical Sidecut that progressively gets higher to the extremities of the profile. The MX83 in the tested 182 has the same 20M radius as the MX88 (in the 178) but is quicker edge to edge and smoother at speed. If you felt the 178 MX88 was just a bit short and the 188 was too long, the MX83 is your ski, that goes the same for the 173 and 163 respectively.

 

Kastle MX88

Tested: 178cm

Even though the new MX88 keeps the same TR of 20M in the 178, there were many upgrades for 2013, think about when Porsche reinvents a 911. Like the little brother the MX83, the MX88 have evolved from a dual radius sidecut to an elliptical one. The MX88 also sports a new larger hollow tech tip. What does this mean on snow? Honestly I am not sure, all I know is the MX88 skis like an MX88, which I have long get could be the best ski ever produced for an all mountain ski. The ski skis fantastic, I would have to ski the new MX88 back to back with the first generation to get the best comparison. 

 

Dynastar Outland 87

Tested: 178cm

I was hoping to get on the Outland before SIA but didn't have a chance (I have a pair sitting in my garage right now), this ski, on paper is a cross between a Rossignol experience 88 (same basalt construction) and a Blizzard Bushwacker, a similar shape. The Outland skis closer to the Experience 88, a long radius E88 (19M vs. 16M) and not quite as playful, just a bit more serious. My only knock against the ski is that they are offering it only as a system and not a flat ski.

 

Dynastar Cham 87

Tested: 172cm

This ski surprised me, first I was only able to try it in a 172 where most everything else I was trying were in the upper 170's.. I was impressed how well it layer over on edge and held through the turn, even with it's turned up tip, the ski didn't feel loose at all. I am really looking forward to trying the 178.

 

Blizzard 8.5Ti

Tested: 181cm

I skied this a few weeks ago and was very impressed. I felt since I was testing many other mid 80's skis today, I thought it best to ski it again under similar conditions. Boy and I glad I did. This ski feels nothing like the outgoing Magnum 8.7, that is not a bad thing. Where i didn't like the old 8.7 in the 181, the new 8.5 is stellar in that length. Why all the change? Flipcore. Blizzard expanded their Flipcore technology from the "core four" to the frontside. This ski feels like you fed the Bushwacker some steroids, sent it to the gym and slimed it down but still avoided "roid rage" and kept the playful personality from the Bush. An amazing feat.

 

Blizzard 8.1Ti

Tested: 179cm

See above but replace 8.7 with 8.5 and 8.1 with 8.0.

 

Elan Amphibio 82

Elan Amphibio 88

Tested 176cm

The two Elans were the surprise of the day for me. I came into the demos with absolutely no intention of liking the skis and well, I do prefer my crow with a slight demi-glaze…The Amphibio design with it's inside edge running the full contact and the outside edge having slight early rise near the tip sounds either gimmicky or logical depending on who you talk to but….I did find the Amphibios to ski remarkably easy yet were extremely powerful through the turns. This is second generation of the Amphibios with the main evolution begin in the binding system, gone is the very heavy and inefficient Fusion system in is a wider platform with a much more positive interface. We will be reporting more on the Amphibios in a dedicated thread/article

 

Head Rev 85

Tested: 178cm

This skis surprised me a bit. I went into it knowing that the Peak Series skied very well in this range from last year and while the new Rev wasn't as strong of a ski it skied very well and will offered at a lower price point, basically near the same price as last year but will include a binding. The Rev was very playful with it's progressive sidecut and while I did find the speed limit, I believe in it's price point, it is a great value

 

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Nordica FireArrow EDT84 

Tested: 176cm, 168cm

It was milliseconds just after my first turn on the FA EDT 84 when the word "WOW" escaped my mouth. I will be first to admit I was never a fan of the Nordica system skis and even though this is a COMPLETELY NEW SKI, I came into this one with a few reservations. Again after that first turn (on the 176) those reservations were completely dismissed. This is one damn powerful and fun ski. With the new tip design, very well the bluntest outside of a race course, the hook up into the turn was incredibly quick, cat like. This was one ski that I was most tempted to go back to the lift and ski another run on. 

I succumbed to internal peer pressure and went back to the Nordica tent to take out the ski again..damn this ski was like a good drug…when I got back there, the 176 was out but I still needed my fix and took out the 168. The 168 was a very playful ski, and while it was short for me..it never felt too short. This ski IS drug like.

 

Blizzard M-Power

Tested: 174cm

Like the Magnum 8.5, the NEW M-Power is flip core based. With the M-Power underfoot oil dampeners and carbon fiber bars for and aft, the M-Power lives up to it's name. POWER. Now, int eh previous generation, preferred the regular 8.7 to the M-Power, now the tables are turned, I prefer the  NEW M-Power slightly over the regular 8.5Ti. What I like about the new M-Power is that the performance window has been expended to medium speeds where the old one needed a good amount of speed to get going. 

 

Volkl V-Works

Tested: 177cm (I think)

The Vworks is one of the better looking skis in any category, Like the RTM's being superior to the AC series, the VWorks is far superior to the outgoing Grizzly. With the full rocker, the VWorks felt, for lack of a better term "greasy" when skied at low speeds and upright, once you got the ski up onto edge it ripped with most any ski out there but it needs to be kept on and and skied. If you slow down on the VWorks it shuts down.

 

 

Environment & Conditions:

Location of Test: Winter Park Co

Number of Runs: 1 each

Snow Conditions: beautiful packed powder

Demo or Own: Demo

 

Tester Info:

Username: Philpug

Age: 48

Height/Weight: 5'10" 190lb

Ski Days/Season: 25 at time of testing

 

I will be testing 90-100mm skis on day two but will not be able to get the reviews up till Wednesday. 

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phil, this is gr8! thanks

i have another thread going asking help on 80mm skis. Q: i am looking to grab an 80mm ski - looking @ salomon xt or fa 80 pro.

would you suggest i wait for the 84edt? will it be out this season?

is the flex anything similar to the spitfire edt, soft, but very smooth?

sprry for bad typing! tablet at my wife's bedside as she's in labour...
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phil, this is gr8! thanks
i have another thread going asking help on 80mm skis. Q: i am looking to grab an 80mm ski - looking @ salomon xt or fa 80 pro.
would you suggest i wait for the 84edt? will it be out this season?
is the flex anything similar to the spitfire edt, soft, but very smooth?
sprry for bad typing! tablet at my wife's bedside as she's in labour...


The new FireArrow EDT84 is in a class by it's self in Nordica lore. Again, I was never a fan of the older XBI/XBS system skis, but this ski is special. As far as stiffness, I would say "compliant". There might be one or two pair around this year but I doubt it...especially in Canada..ay? The question then for you is, you can get a Enduro 800 for a good price, is the FireArrow worth almost 2x the price, and you will have to wait. That I cannot answer for you. 

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i'll ask about the FA 80 edt, but sounds like the Salomon is the ski for this year, if the price can be made right...

to confirm, you meant the firearrow 84edt 2013 -- correct?

would you pick the Salomon over this year's Firearrow Pro 80?
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would you pick the Salomon over this year's Firearrow Pro 80?


Yes.

 

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sprry for bad typing! tablet at my wife's bedside as she's in labour...


Wait, what??

 

Well, how'd it go?

 

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Wait, what??

 


Both he and the wife were trying to squeeze something out.

 

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Well, how'd it go?

 

 

Phil gave a good answer...

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9lbs 7oz baby girl. Healthy, big, beautiful! After mom and daughter both settled in and comfortable sleeping, I went out to the parking lot (after 36 hours of no sleep) and called the ski shop guy.

 

He found me a 2011 Atomic Blackeye Ti for just $100 more than my store credit of $399, so I figured this was the cheap and cheerful way to try the thicker waisted, slight rocker, all mountain ski thing. I can sell it for cheap next season and get the Salomon or a Nordica FA 84 EDT....or not, if I like it!

 

Decided on Phil's input to just stand pat with the cheap bet and look toward next year when I can try a 2 year+ all mountain ski solution.

 

So, yes - I was reading Phil's ski reviews on the tablet at my wife's bedside in between contractions. Maybe I should start a thread...

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The good news is that pain inhibits memory development, making it pretty likely that she will forget -- or has already forgotten -- that you were doing that.  I'd edit your post pronto to destroy the evidence.

 

In any event, mazel tov!

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She bears no grudge provided I'm where I'm supposed to be at the right time  beercheer.gif

 

Besides - she skis. LOL

 

Thanks for the well wishes!!

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So, yes - I was reading Phil's ski reviews on the tablet at my wife's bedside in between contractions. 



Sounds like you had your priorities in line....Now lets get back to talking about some greg skis for next season!!

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Hey Phil,

 

Why didn't you expect to like the Elans?  You used to love them back when you were working at the shop back east that sold them-seems like we were the only guys on the board talking about Elan back then. They are making some great skis, though in kind of an under-the-radar way.  That Amphibio 88 is a really good ski. 

 

Glad to hear you like the new MX83.  Kind of a bummer abou the lengths: 182 is lot of ski for a guy my size, but the 173 might be super fun.  Little short for off-piste adventures, perhaps. 

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Man, I hope all this is not moot- we need snow and some cold bad here in Toronto. It was 10C today ... 50F... ouch.

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Hey Phil,

 

Why didn't you expect to like the Elans?  You used to love them back when you were working at the shop back east that sold them-seems like we were the only guys on the board talking about Elan back then. They are making some great skis, though in kind of an under-the-radar way.  That Amphibio 88 is a really good ski. 

 

Glad to hear you like the new MX83.  Kind of a bummer abou the lengths: 182 is lot of ski for a guy my size, but the 173 might be super fun.  Little short for off-piste adventures, perhaps. 



While I really liked the 888 (and even the 999) I was never fan of the Waveflex series, I found them to be heavy and mounted too far forward. But yeah, the Amphibio 88 was a fun ski. 

 

As far as the MX83, it fits very well just below the MX88 and really makes the MX78 superfluous. 

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"I was never fan of the Waveflex series, I found them to be heavy and mounted too far forward"


I complained about that for years.  Each ski was a good 1.5cm forward of where it should have been.  I am really looking forward to getting my 83's, although for Ice Coast users and people looking for a near-race ski, I can see a niche for the 78 still.  It is our most popular Kastle....I have to say I have never been on an all-mountain ski with that level of power and stability on hard snow. 

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^^And the new Amphibio Elans, including the waveflex ones, are they still 1.5 cm too far forward??

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 I am really looking forward to getting my 83's, although for Ice Coast users and people looking for a near-race ski, I can see a niche for the 78 still. 


Not totally sure. The other day in a lift line, I was struck by how many folks are skiing on narrower (68-75) Atomics, Volkls, Rossi's, Dynastars. And  (gasp) not even very new ones. We are in general a less fashionable crowd than you movie star wannabees out there. Lotta folks hold on to skis until they actually wear out. If they have a wider ski it tends to be in the 85-95 range.(Of course if we're talking the freestyle/park crowd, then their main ski is in that width.) I've seen more MX88's than MX78's. By far. Think that the 78 is a superb daily driver out west, the width people start at. Maybe back here not so much. But Whiteroom may have data to falsify me; Stowe is more chic (and wealthier) than most of the dives I ski back here. 

 

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But Whiteroom may have data to falsify me; Stowe is more chic (and wealthier) than most of the dives I ski back here. 

 



What do people ski at Stratton?  Maybe I should open a shop there?????  Since we are talking about wealthy and chic places to ski. 

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Originally Posted by csr_jr View Post

9lbs 7oz baby girl. Healthy, big, beautiful! After mom and daughter both settled in and comfortable sleeping, I went out to the parking lot (after 36 hours of no sleep) and called the ski shop guy.

 

He found me a 2011 Atomic Blackeye Ti for just $100 more than my store credit of $399, so I figured this was the cheap and cheerful way to try the thicker waisted, slight rocker, all mountain ski thing. I can sell it for cheap next season and get the Salomon or a Nordica FA 84 EDT....or not, if I like it!

 

Decided on Phil's input to just stand pat with the cheap bet and look toward next year when I can try a 2 year+ all mountain ski solution.

 

So, yes - I was reading Phil's ski reviews on the tablet at my wife's bedside in between contractions. Maybe I should start a thread...

Congrats on the baby girl!

Then you go call the dealer... very funny.
 

 

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Thanks Phil,

When do these new 2013 skis get released to the "common folk"? As I was planning on buying a pair of Kastle mx88's in mid-Feb, but maybe I should hold out a bit longer and buy the 2013 model, or take a good hard look at the new mx83? Has there been a release date announced at all?

 

Did the 2013 Kastle mx88 appear to have the same stiffness as the previous model or has this been changed in any way? Also, how does the mx83 compare in the flex department to that of the mx88?

 

Congrats on the baby girl csr_jr!! Does she look like a future skier or snowboarder? smile.gif

 

Cheers.

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Philpug. By any chance did you get to demo the new Kendo? Wondering how the addition of early rise affects this ski.

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Philpug. By any chance did you get to demo the new Kendo? Wondering how the addition of early rise affects this ski.



Oh, I can't wait to hear Phil's review of the Kendo since he loves Völkls so much. biggrin.gif

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Thanks Phil,

When do these new 2013 skis get released to the "common folk"? As I was planning on buying a pair of Kastle mx88's in mid-Feb, but maybe I should hold out a bit longer and buy the 2013 model, or take a good hard look at the new mx83? Has there been a release date announced at all?

 

Did the 2013 Kastle mx88 appear to have the same stiffness as the previous model or has this been changed in any way? Also, how does the mx83 compare in the flex department to that of the mx88?

 

Congrats on the baby girl csr_jr!! Does she look like a future skier or snowboarder? smile.gif

 

Cheers.



Don't bother waiting for next years MX88, they change with the elliptical sidecut is minimal. The MX83 is sure sweet, and if you DO want something a bit narrower, it is a great option or if you find that you are between sizes of the MX88.

 

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Philpug. By any chance did you get to demo the new Kendo? Wondering how the addition of early rise affects this ski.



Sorry, didn't get a chance to test the Kendo, I doubt it is much different. 

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I was also at Winter Park testing skis, I agree with all your comments for skis that I tested that you also tested, I did ski the Kendo and found it to be quite solid for edge hold, and probably not much different from last years, I also liked the new Line Prophet 85, it is an excellent all round ski,  in my opinion the best 80mm ski was the Volkl RTM80 and RTM84 was even better again if talking about skis slightly wider than 80mm under foot.

 

The Volkl Werks is a good ski, but I think the price will low up sales, and for those who ski a lot of big bumps it will require good technique.

 

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What do people ski at Stratton?  Maybe I should open a shop there?????  Since we are talking about wealthy and chic places to ski. 



 

C'mon Dawg! Bring it on! Ha....that would be unbelievable!  Oh wait...you like snow...never mind...

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Did anyone ski the New K2 Bolt?  I heard from couple of people at the event they have new 72mm waisted Super hard snow ski. They told me best of show for the groomers at Winter Park.

 

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What do people ski at Stratton?  Maybe I should open a shop there?????  Since we are talking about wealthy and chic places to ski. 

They ski Stratton and the rest of the world.

 

There are many ski shops at Stratton and down the road.

talk to gregfits he had a shop in a shop there

 

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They ski Stratton and the rest of the world.

 

There are many ski shops at Stratton and down the road.

talk to gregfits he had a shop in a shop there

 



I was joking....but it would be nice to have some customers with money once in awhile!  I get a lot of the "great skis, when are you selling your demos for $200?" walk ins. Although I hear Vermont is beautiful. Our team is traveling to the Green Mountain Stage Race in Burlington this fall. 

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Don't bother waiting for next years MX88, they change with the elliptical sidecut is minimal. The MX83 is sure sweet, and if you DO want something a bit narrower, it is a great option or if you find that you are between sizes of the MX88.

 

Skier or snowboarder? Skier of course, how dare you challenge his parenting skills. wink.gif


 



Sorry, didn't get a chance to test the Kendo, I doubt it is much different. 


Thanks for the congrats guys - she's three days old now, so it's definite. She's a skier. I asked her if she wanted to go snowboarding and she just turned away to stare blankly. If she had just stared at me blankly... snowboard. ;-)

 

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Bump about MX changes. Earlier, Phil said that hollowtech cutout on MX88 is larger, and there's elliptical sidecut, both have minimal impact. Elsewhere read that MX88 will have early rise, and that elliptical sidecut is noticeable. Curious which of these is true (none, some, all) and whether other MX's will have same changes. All I can see from the pics is the logo has changed a bit...

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