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Toe Piece of Binding Moves

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

 

I bought a pair of MX88s with K12 bindings this season.  I put a few days on them about a month ago, and on the third day, I noticed that my bindings weren't aligned with each other (i.e. the toe piece on one ski was more forward than the other).  My initial thought was that the bindings were set up wrong to begin with, so I brought it to a shop on the mountain (I was on vacation) and they made it close enough to finish out my trip on them.  When I got back home, I brought them back to the original shop I bought them at, and they carefully set them up to be perfectly even, marking the spots on the bindings with a sharpie.  I got the chance to ski on them again this weekend, and by the end of the day, the toe piece had moved about a full centimeter forward.  The heel piece looks to have stayed put, so I'm going to assume that the toe piece of the binding is being pushed forward as I ski.

 

Has anyone heard of this issue before?  I don't really know anything about mounting bindings, but my guess is that the toe piece is defective?  The shop rep that I usually deal with is out the next couple of days, and I want to wait to talk to him before I do anything.  But I thought I'd reach out here and see if anyone has had a similar experience.

post #2 of 19

I have the same issue.  The dealer just sent me some replacement parts to install.  I was thrilled to have the time to put the new parts in tonite and finally ski my MX78's.

 

No such luck, the new parts (two sets and I tried both) do not solve the problem and I am back to waiting for Marker to respond.  I think it's going to have to be new bindings.  All Marker has to do is respond and the dealer will send me bindings from his stock.

 

Good luck to you as my  dealer says Marker is non responsive, he had to go to Kastle for the parts.

post #3 of 19

Can you post a picture of the binding in question?

post #4 of 19

K12CTI demo bindings, white ones,  current model as far as I know.

post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by epic View Post

Can you post a picture of the binding in question?

 

in the picture, you can see the binding on the right is fine (still within the black sharpie marks), but the one on the left has moved up about a cm


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post #6 of 19
Maybe the worm screw or plate is stripped allowing it to move forward. Take a sharpie and mark the screw, maybe it's turning. Personally I would want new binding cause that could result in a pre-release...which is never fun.
post #7 of 19
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Update:  just got off the phone with a rep from Kastle.  He said they've been having a variety of issues with their Marker bindings and he will be sending a replacement toe piece to the shop I bought the skis at.  Interestingly, Kastle will no longer be working with Marker in the future; they will be switching to Tyrolia for the 2012-2013 season.

post #8 of 19

I also just got off the phone with my dealer and he is sending me a replacement toe piece.  The new parts he sent did not fix the problem.

 

The switch to to Tyrolia is interesting.

post #9 of 19


 

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Originally Posted by mook View Post

 

in the picture, you can see the binding on the right is fine (still within the black sharpie marks), but the one on the left has moved up about a cm


photo.JPG

 



scary... that toe has moved enough for you to pop out of the heel without any heel release or elastic movement...

I wouldn;t be skiin that AT ALL - until you find out why the toe isn;t holding position - but of course, you know that.

 

Thanks for the pic - it's very interesting to see the actual 'condition'

 

and apparently problems are not restricted to only the toe piece

http://www.skinet.com/ski/blogs/2011/01/marker-and-kastle-issue-binding-recall

post #10 of 19

Hey guys,

 

I have a pair of MX78s bought from the same dealer on LI.  After one day on them I had the same problem.  The toe piece moved about one cm.  I brought them back to the shop and they replaced the toe piece, no questions asked.  It definitely appears that Marker has a quality control issue.

post #11 of 19
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Update: I was able to talk to my dealer yesterday, and he said when he got to the shop, he was filled in on how someone brought in their Kastles and needed a toe piece replaced.  He actually thought that mabjericho was me since he knew I had been having trouble.  He said to bring the skis over and he'd have the toe piece replaced right away.  They must have gotten a bad batch I guess, but I'm glad to have my faith restored in the shop that I've always trusted. 

post #12 of 19

I received a new toe piece, skied it two long hard days over the weekend and all is well.  I like the MX78 a lot.

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by mgrezmer View Post

I received a new toe piece, skied it two long hard days over the weekend and all is well. I like the MX78 a lot.


Glad to hear all is well. The Toe piece moving is quite the dangerous situation.
post #14 of 19

So guys, what was wrong with the bad toes? Was the screw turning on it's own? Could you feel the clicks when turning it?

post #15 of 19

My understanding is that the screw was not catching the grooves in the track so that the toe piece was able to slide forward. Obviously, this is very dangerous and could have resulted in a major crash had I been coming down a steep slope at speed.  Fortunately, I noticed it when I popped out of my binding while teaching a class of beginners so I wasn't going very fast.

 

This is the same binding that was recalled last year because of the bad spring in the heel piece.  This does not inspire great confidence in Marker's quality control.

post #16 of 19

The toe piece problem I experienced was that the BSL adjusting screw failed to engage the detents and mechanically lock in place.  Marker sent me two new sets of parts to install to cure the problem.  I tried both sets and both failed to engage the detents.  The original parts were actually deformed and would not assemble correctly.  My other toe piece has a very positive mechanical engagement and a loud, solid "snick" at each increment of adjustment.

 

The new toe piece matches the original good one in operation.

 

I was lucky not to have an accident.

post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 

I also got my toe piece replaced and got a chance to ski on it this weekend.  No movement this time.

post #18 of 19

Guys I have a similar problem with my Griffons. Does this look familiar (video)?

post #19 of 19
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Guys I have a similar problem with my Griffons. Does this look familiar (video)?

 

Ours was actually a different problem - the toe piece slid forward about 1 cm up the ski, whereas it looks like yours is rocking back and forth.  Not sure what to make of that though.  I think some movement is normal with some force, but yours might be more of a concern...

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