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Langley McNeal disqualified for wearing arm band

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Saw this article this morning and wondered what the competition world is coming to. 

I mean, seriously........

First the underwear inspection on the WC, and now an arm band to honor someone who's been an amazing contributor to the sport(to say the least) is cause for disqualification? 

Seriously?

 

http://unofficialnetworks.com/langley-mcneal-disqualified-games-skier-wearing-sarah-burke-arm-band-story-games-71515/

 

And a follow up article that WearTheFox Hat shared with me.

http://espn.go.com/action/xgames/winter/2012/story/_/id/7517715/langely-mcneal-disqualified-women-skier-x-semifinal-clothing-violation

 

I like how she passed the others because they crashed, but her bands are cause for disqualification.

 

post #2 of 24

So the real story is yellow journalism internet reporters trying to make drama/story out of something that wasn't fully true, and of course with the internet, everyone wants to be first to get the juicy story without doing any fact-checking.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGCZffZGD24

post #3 of 24

You were going to post some facts? That video was a Skip Bayless football thing.

 

edit: I get it, you referenced the article...now it's all making sense to me.

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The statement from Guglielmino read: "Langely McNeal was not disqualified for wearing a Sarah Burke band. She was informed by our race director that she was disqualified for wearing an elastic band around each of her pant cuffs that were not Sarah bands but were clearly a violation of the Winter X Games clothing rules.

 

"The Winter X Games has allowed those Sarah tribute bands to be distributed from the athlete lounge and has allowed athletes to wear the Sarah bands in competition throughout the entire event."

http://espn.go.com/action/xgames/winter/2012/story/_/id/7517715/langely-mcneal-disqualified-women-skier-x-semifinal-clothing-violation?eleven=twelve

 

post #4 of 24

I read this in the morning and it sounds like the better skier was removed from the finals competition.  Some of the rules are pretty bizzare, but once the officials have made a call to DQ, there isn't much to be done.

post #5 of 24

yea, my point is all these "analysts"/journalists these days just try to provoke controversy rather than reporting what happened. They should be called out more for doing it.

 

 

post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

yea, my point is all these "analysts"/journalists these days just try to provoke controversy rather than reporting what happened. They should be called out more for doing it.

 

 



^^^^. Journalism is a trashy business. Spin-city. Whether or not wearing bands around her cuffs is a dumb rule or not, it's still a rule and people all too often have a sense of entitlement and push the limits to see what they can get away with. If you don't want a speeding ticket, don't drive 75 in a 70...

post #7 of 24

So my comment is about the first article as well as the Original Post which was trying to tie this into Sarah Burke armbands and insinuating a "travesty" dishonoring her memory blah, blah blah.  When the actual infraction which was about cuffbands completely un-sarah related (which the 2nd article cleared up).

 

So following your analogy of a speeding ticket.  I suspect the reporter would have written it up like black Iraqi war veteran who just donated a kidney given a speeding ticket on Martin Luther King Day  (or something along those lines).  

And then after a few days, correction, he was also speeding.


Edited by raytseng - 1/30/12 at 4:14pm
post #8 of 24

Why does it seem like there almost always some rolleyes.gif French competitor involved in every crazy judging or official ruling in international competition?th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #9 of 24

French Afghanistan vet who won figure skating medal pulled over for speeding ticket?

post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

French Afghanistan vet who won figure skating medal pulled over for speeding ticket?


On Franco-Afghani figure skating Memorial day no less.

post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

So my comment is about the first article as well as the Original Post which was trying to tie this into Sarah Burke armbands and insinuating a "travesty" dishonoring her memory blah, blah blah.  When the actual infraction which was about cuffbands completely un-sarah related (which the 2nd article cleared up).

 

So following your analogy of a speeding ticket.  I suspect the reporter would have written it up like black Iraqi war veteran who just donated a kidney given a speeding ticket on Martin Luther King Day  (or something along those lines).  

And then after a few days, correction, he was also speeding.



What I really found interesting, especially after reading the article that is in the second link I posted, is that the bands that were not acceptable weren't in honor of anything to do with Sarah Burke.

Also, there were 4 racers who crashed out of the race, one of which filed the protest.

 

Lots of crazy stuff happening in this story.

 

I would like to note that my thread title is not accurate either:

The "bands" involved were not arm bands.

 

 

 


Edited by Trekchick - 1/30/12 at 8:01pm
post #12 of 24

GoNads says it all on TGR

 

 

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For those who don't race SX, didn't watch the event at X... it seems like everyone jumped to conclusions and likes to cry foul at the drop of a hat and blame everyone else. It's a no brainer in SX that you are NOT Allowed things to fasten your jersey or pants closer to your body. It IS racing, and there IS a standard of clothing with a minimum bagginess from the body all throughout the item of clothing. She knew this. It wasn't just about her Sarah Arm Band, it was about the bands at her boots, the timer she wore ABOVE her pants instead of under like every other competitor. And it was about her lack of a jersey, and spine protector she wore above her outerlayer instead of under like every other racer. As for the 14 second time difference.. 4 of the 6 girls in her heat crashed. Langely didn't because she was in the back and skied around the carnage.

This is Jenny Owens's reply (bronze medalist and current WC SX racer for Australia) on Unoffical Networks.

Initial post with her reply.
http://unofficialnetworks.com/langle...y-games-71515/

"This has gone WAY to far…

Listen to all the experts here! People that watch on TV or online or saw photos of her/our clothing!!! Everyone in that race, racers World Cup except Langley because she retired. Everyone is wearing the correct clothing and with the correct measurements of the fabric.

There were comments made by teams/athletes about Langley’s clothing through out the week, even before she started in qualifying but she didn’t do anything about this.

Langley has been around long enough and know the rules inside and out. No one is wearing “spandex clothing”. Langley is clearly pissed off and attacking which every way she can. In some ways she has every right to be a little pissed because they should have DQ’d in qualis or at least warned her.

I am very disappointed in Langley for taking this so far and if I see her in the near future I will definitely let her know.

Nat Holland is 100% correct and I’m also glad the Frenchies have been standing up for them selves here. They have every right to protest, just like someone has a right to protest for pushing or grabbing. Rules are made to protect the athletes and the sport. We all try to do our best by sticking to them and if you don’t, you pay the consequences.

I don’t see why people feel the need to swear and call people names when none of you know the full story. Media twist things to there liking. Langley has clearly made some status updates on her FB, I like Langley, she’s a nice girl but this is very wrong on her part and she should know better"

Also Nate Hollands reply on the same thread.. (Yesterday's Snowboard X winner and 5 time X games gold medalist)

"I didn’t realize that unofficial was actually fox news. Everybody here is mentally retarded. Langely is a fucking idiot. Everybody who has ever competed in ski cross or boarder cross knows that what she did was illegal. And her using Sarah’s name as a scapegoat is bullshit. She was wearing ties to hold her clothing down that had nothing to do with Sarah. Those french fucks did what any other athlete would’ve done had they been bumped by someone blatantly cheating. You don’t put bands around your pants by accident. It takes time and you do it for the single reason of decreasing your time. If you can’t abide by the most basic rules of x-games (and ski/ boarder cross in general) perhaps you should quit (which I thought she already did)."

Unofficial's newer post.

http://unofficialnetworks.com/langle...-straps-71635/

I'm a little appalled at how quick people were to bash the french, blame the games, etc. This is racing, play by the rules that everyone else follows. Jenny mentioned that other athletes and coaches spoke to her about her gear and methods of wearing them prior to the race. It was her choice to listen or not. It's unfortunate she got disqualified.. but I'm not happy with the negativity it brought regarding Sarah's passing or the arm band which had little if nothing to do with this at all. Langely is a nice girl, but people have blown this out of proportion and twisted it to suit their drama requirements for the night.

 

I'll add that's it's quite tasteless to drag Burke's memory into this mess.

post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Why does it seem like there almost always some rolleyes.gif French competitor involved in every crazy judging or official ruling in international competition?th_dunno-1[1].gif



Or just the French in general. If you don't know what I'm talking about, follow pro bicycle racing Rules.gif

post #14 of 24

well phillipeR has posted pretty much the definitive take on this above.

Even tmz isn't as bad as what unofficial networks has put out.

 

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You don’t put bands around your pants by accident. It takes time and you do it for the single reason of decreasing your time. If you can’t abide by the most basic rules of x-games (and ski/ boarder cross in general) perhaps you should quit (which I thought she already did)."
-Nate Holland

 

post #15 of 24

Guys just stop bitching about the French, unfairness, or pro bike racing.  Rules are rules even if you think they are ridiculous.  The pros have spoken and not one of them seems to be on Langley's side (and Nate Holland, Jenny Owens, and Nadia Samer are a good sample).  So, all the armchair quarterbacking bros should really shut up.  

 

Do you really think the X-Games are stupid enough to DQ someone for wearing Sarah armband?  Say what you want about X-Games, but stupid they are not.  There was a real reason for DQing.  

 

For Langley to use Sarah Burke's name to drum up publicity is just shameful.  Not even a month after she died and someone already managed to mire her name is a stupid controversy.    Thats the real shame. 

post #16 of 24

People still watch and give a crap about X Games...hhmmm.

post #17 of 24

The travesty is a sport where the rules for clothing are not functional but cosmetic. Clothes have to be baggy so to maintain the alternative image...but what else would you expect from a sporting event owned by the media?

 

The ESPNX games are a joke.

post #18 of 24

Well FIS is not a media company.  Not that I'd defend Fis for a lot of things.

Somewhere, it was decided that they didn't want speed suits, that's what it comes down to. Speed suits work, but I guess people didn't want that image.  Then it was decided to have a certain bagginess.

 

Here are the rules for FIS Ski Cross.  Looks like baggy is defined - 80mm in legs, 60mm in arms. Gee, I wonder why bands aren't allowed?

In view of the simple one paragraph rules, the whole brouhaha is ridiculous. Zero sympathy for Langley.  Got to agree with everyone lambasting her.

(Bold is original text)

 

I guess the baggy standard doesn't apply to boarder half pipe or Shaun White's pants wouldn't make it.  How Ironic.

 

 

Quote: http://wiki.fisski.com/index.php/Equipment  from: http://wiki.fisski.com/index.php/Ski_Cross_Rules

4511.4 Ski Suits

Ski suits must be two pieces; pants and a separate top. Suits worn in the Alpine events of Downhill (DH), Super-G (SG), Giant Slalom (GS), Slalom (SL), and Speed Skiing are not allowed.

 

Suit base material shall be textile fabrics excluding rubber, plastic, neoprene, leather or vinyl like materials or fabrics. Patches of different material are allowed provided that textile fabrics shall remain, in any event, predominant.

Non-protruding body protection and padding is recommended.

 

Protection equipment including back protector or any other padding or body amour must be worn on the body and separate from the ski suit (outer wear). Protection and padding must not be built into the ski suit or attached to the ski suit by a zipper, Velcro or any other means. Fastening devices such as elastic straps, zippers, nylon straps, buttons, snaps, velcro, one or 2 sided tape, or any other methods shall not be used to tighten the suit material closer to the body or prevent the natural fall of the clothing.

The gap in the material must be a minimum of 80mm, measured everywhere around the circumference of the, of each leg from the mid thigh to the top of the ski boot and 60 mm everywhere around the elbow and the bicep.

 

post #19 of 24

FIS doesn't own the X games. ESPN does. In this case, FIS follows, rather than leads.

post #20 of 24

So espn is causing all the freestyle kids to wear baggy clothes? Interesting.

 

Spoof from 20 years ago:

 

 

post #21 of 24

I am surprised you guys aren't talking about the new FIS rules regarding race skis.   Unless they backed down recently, the last I heard was they mandated a minimum 195 ski and are making everyone go back to straight ski's !   This is a really big deal to the generation of racers who ski on shorter ski's with more side cut and have never raced on straights.  

 

That said, rules are rules,

In gymnastics they have similar rules,  

hair below shoulder, deduction

Nail polish on , deduction

more than one earring in, deduction  

underwear shows deduction,

strap showing, deduction

team mate or coach yells out something that might be construed as coaching, deduction. 

any human voice in a song, deduction

You just have to abide.  

 

 

post #22 of 24

Why would we do that in a thread about pants?

post #23 of 24

Well, there is that other thread about nekid snowbarden'spit.gif  Is there a rule that they have to wear pants at all?duck.gif

post #24 of 24

I don't think there's a rule against smoking while racing. I could be wrong.

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