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Advancing little girl skis - I'll try to be specific, may need soon

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This is triggered by the ski valet in whistler having lost my daughters skis at the end of our week there (yesterday).  Far as I can tell they handed them out to someone else who wasn't paying attention (All 4 of us turned our skis in together friday eve, only hers were missing sat am).  If they don't find and ship them soon, they have agreed to pay for them (won't be much - they were season rentals - checked with the local shop and replacement cost is $175 + tax).  They were standard kids rental  rossi's in 110cm.  For mostly financial reasons if they wind up sending me the money, I was thinking of just buying her skis IF I think she could get at least 2 years out of them.

 

Today we went back up to the local hill for her multiweek lesson, and had to get her a pair of skis at the on-mountain shop.   I decided to see how she would do on longer ski's, and got her some 117's (standard rental kids heads).  I told the instructor at the multiweek about what had happened, and asked him to keep an eye out for how she did with the new skis - he thought she did great, no problems.

 

The 110's come about to just below her nose, the 117's are at the top of the eye.  She is 7 yr 3 mo, 4'4", approximately 65 pounds and strongly built.  Likes speed and is pretty fearless, seems to be advancing pretty rapidly (kids that age are sponges), this is her 3rd season and she gets about 15 days/year.  As far as level - instead of me guessing, I will post her recent "report card" and a couple of low speed, end of the day pulling into the ski school pics.

 

I am pretty sure a length around 117 would be fine (maybe slightly longer), think she would like twin tip (she has learned switch this year and is sooooo proud to show it off).  I really don't know if there would be enough of a difference at her level to justify an extra $100-150 for "better" kids skis.  She is pulling hard for the skis to be lost, so that she can get some skis with "girly" graphics.  If they don't find them in time for next sunday's multiweek - she just may get her wish.  The local shop only has 80's and 130's left for season rental.

 

/EDIT: I am researching here and elsewhere, but given the potentially short time frame thought it was worth asking for advice.  From what I've read so far, looks like the length is about right, and  at her level (not racing) does not appear to be dramatic differences among skis...will probably wind up with the "pretty" ones.

 

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Edited by Alveolus - 1/29/12 at 5:52pm
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Evo Outlet is blowing out the Gem Jr for $119 through tomorrow.  The Gem is the sidewall construction, intermediate to advanced Volkl all mountain twin; you could go with the beginner to intermediate, cap construction, Mini Pearls for $105 if you really don't think that build matters.  I'd spend the extra $14 for a better ski.

 

Without knowing her BSL, I can't figure out her DIN or whether she still needs junior-normed bindings (which usually equates to a 23.0 or smaller boot).  If she's running at least a DIN of 3, Evo is also blowing out the 3-10 DIN PX Team for $49.  They were a great deal at $65, when I bought and mounted three pairs on my kids skis.  Now they're just ridiculous.

 

If she still has a junior normed boot, I have a pair of new 4 or 4.5 DIN (I forget which) Look junior demo track bindings that I can let go for $30 plus shipping, or a pair of used but good condition 4.5 DIN Markers I can pass on for $15.  Either would probably have to wait a week, though, because they're uphill and I'm downhill.

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Evo Outlet is blowing out the Gem Jr for $119 through tomorrow.  The Gem is the sidewall construction, intermediate to advanced Volkl all mountain twin; you could go with the beginner to intermediate, cap construction, Mini Pearls for $105 if you really don't think that build matters.  I'd spend the extra $14 for a better ski.

 



We bought these for my niece this season, who is a pretty good little J5 racer. She has her racing skis, but wanted something "twin tip" and cute for free skiing. Seemed to be a really nice ski -- we skied with her Christmas, and she blew our doors off on these, too, so I think performance is quite good.

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Evo Outlet is blowing out the Gem Jr for $119 through tomorrow.  The Gem is the sidewall construction, intermediate to advanced Volkl all mountain twin; you could go with the beginner to intermediate, cap construction, Mini Pearls for $105 if you really don't think that build matters.  I'd spend the extra $14 for a better ski.

 

Without knowing her BSL, I can't figure out her DIN or whether she still needs junior-normed bindings (which usually equates to a 23.0 or smaller boot).  If she's running at least a DIN of 3, Evo is also blowing out the 3-10 DIN PX Team for $49.  They were a great deal at $65, when I bought and mounted three pairs on my kids skis.  Now they're just ridiculous.

 

If she still has a junior normed boot, I have a pair of new 4 or 4.5 DIN (I forget which) Look junior demo track bindings that I can let go for $30 plus shipping, or a pair of used but good condition 4.5 DIN Markers I can pass on for $15.  Either would probably have to wait a week, though, because they're uphill and I'm downhill.


Ok, I give....what is a BSL (her current boot size is 21.0?)?  And thanks to both above for info.  I will be calling the lodge today and using a very grumpy voice. 
 

 

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Ok, I give....what is a BSL (her current boot size is 21.0?)?  And thanks to both above for info.  I will be calling the lodge today and using a very grumpy voice. 
 

 



Good guess. BSL = boot sole length.

post #6 of 17

The BSL should be stamped onto the heel of her boots. Should be something around 250mm for a size 21 boot. 

 

Mike
 

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Good guess. BSL = boot sole length.



 

 

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Looks like the Gem Jr would be good, plan to get the 118's assuming the lodge doesn't cough up her other skis.  What little girl wouldnt like a bug-eyed pink cat on her skis?  I think they should last her through next season unless she really pushes to get involved in racing.  She has been asking "What are those kids doing?  Can I do that" every time up to the local hill recently, I don't think she is at a level to really get much from racing...and I know wife and I are not exited about the committment (but would do it if she really really wants to and felt she would get something out of it).

 

 Final stupid question (maybe) - will evo mount bindings?  Or do they need to have the actual boots (rather than just size)?  I know the bindings will still have to be adjusted which I plan to have done at the local shop, just didn't know if mounting was included (or cheaper) from evo if buying both skis and binding (guess I could drive up to seattle to have it done - but like to support the local shop when I can and would simply have mounting/adjusting done here if mounting not dramatically cheaper from evo). I have never bought flat skis..mine are swap specials...wifes came with integrated binding new.

 

Again...Thanks all!

post #8 of 17

And a size 21 is definitely a junior normed boot, which means she needs junior normed bindings.  Unfortunately, Evo's outlet sale doesn't include any junior bindings.  The Rossi Comp 45 L -- which is mechanically identical to the pair of Looks I have, except that mine are black and white (and may, for all I know, be branded as Rossi) -- are $80.  (And to clarify, I believe that the ones I have, like those Rossis on Evo, have a standard toe with an easily adjusted heel track.)

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And a size 21 is definitely a junior normed boot, which means she needs junior normed bindings.  Unfortunately, Evo's outlet sale doesn't include any junior bindings.  The Rossi Comp 45 L -- which is mechanically identical to the pair of Looks I have, except that mine are black and white (and may, for all I know, be branded as Rossi) -- are $80.



OK that answers my question above, I must have been typing at the same time as you

 

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Yee Gods!  Not knowing what a junior normed binding was started poking around, especially this thread.  Now I'm more confused about bindings, esp. as I think she may actually be in 21.5 currently (don't have the boots here to check), which might put her on the borderline for next year with junior bindings.  Think I'll simply buy the skis flat, go to the local shop with daughter and boots and buy bindings there, may cost a bit more but the advice worth it. (BTW the lodge said they reviewed the security video, saw her turn her skis in, couldn't tell who checked them out, manager wasn't in today to tell me when they will simply pay for the skis)

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Yee Gods!  Not knowing what a junior normed binding was started poking around, especially this thread.  Now I'm more confused about bindings, esp. as I think she may actually be in 21.5 currently (don't have the boots here to check), which might put her on the borderline for next year with junior bindings.  Think I'll simply buy the skis flat, go to the local shop with daughter and boots and buy bindings there, may cost a bit more but the advice worth it. (BTW the lodge said they reviewed the security video, saw her turn her skis in, couldn't tell who checked them out, manager wasn't in today to tell me when they will simply pay for the skis)



There are bindings that will take both types of soles.

 

Does she ski a lot of soft snow? You live in the PNW, so I assume yes. I think you might look at the Gotama Jr if the answer is yes.

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I think they should last her through next season unless she really pushes to get involved in racing.

 

 

Hate to tell you this, but racers don't have a single pair of skis.  You wouldn't want only race skis unless all you did was race.

 

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There are bindings that will take both types of soles.


I believe only the 7-DIN Tyrolias will take both.

 

And even if she's in 21.5s right now, that still gives her 2cm of foot growth -- almost an inch longer feet -- before she moves to adult normed boots.

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Hate to tell you this, but racers don't have a single pair of skis.  You wouldn't want only race skis unless all you did was race.

That is one of the few things I was actually well aware of ....and one of the "commitments" I mentioned being wary of every time she expresses an interest in "what those kids are doing over there" pointing to the race club practicing.  Having to come up with more ingenious ways of changing the topic weekly (HEY LOOK!...Is that Justin Bieber?redface.gif).  I should have said that the Gems would last her through next year as her only skis unless she somehow lobbies successfully to get involved with racing (not likely).

 

Again, thanks for all the info, once I get the final "we can't find your skis and we will send you a check" from the lodge tomorrow will order.

post #14 of 17

I'm guessing your daughter isn't quite at the two or three pairs of skis point in her very young life just yet. smile.gif  At her age, sound, basic movement patterns will get her way more mileage in the gates or free skiing any one particular ski.

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That is one of the few things I was actually well aware of ....and one of the "commitments" I mentioned being wary of every time she expresses an interest in "what those kids are doing over there" pointing to the race club practicing.  Having to come up with more ingenious ways of changing the topic weekly (HEY LOOK!...Is that Justin Bieber?redface.gif).  I should have said that the Gems would last her through next year as her only skis unless she somehow lobbies successfully to get involved with racing (not likely).


It's not that bad.  Once you get into the mix, you end up buying (or getting hand-me-downs of) a lot of used gear and selling it once she outgrows it.

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Well, the lodge came through so no new skis for daughter this year – they did not find her skis, but called my local shop and paid them for the lost skis and also to have them ship in a new pair in her size for the rest of the season.  Have to give kudos to the Crystal Lodge in Whistler for service, although daughter is a little disappointed that she won’t get cool graphics for the rest of this season.

 

I still plan to get some for her either at the very tail end of this season or more likely early next fall (want to wait as much as possible to see where she is on growth/size as the skis would now need to carry her through age 8/9 rather than 7/8 to be cost effective).   Just  a few final thoughts/questions to help me out as I keep my eyes open for deals later this year.

 

-For length thinking mid 120’s for a twin tip.  The 117 standard kids rental she tried last week hit her right at the top of the eye and she did well on them, between growth and “skiable length” of twin tips figure that should be OK?  Might need slightly longer – not sure if better to under or over shoot length (would assume better to undershoot  for standard issue kid skiing 15 days per year).

 

-giving up on the bindings for now, will worry about it after get the skis.

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Update:

 

Decided to wait until fall - and glad I did..she put on 2.5 inches and 20 pounds.  In early October picked up some new, but prior year, flat 129cm K2 Missy's. Got them on line for $105 and got the bindings and mounting from my local shop (Marker 4.5). Made it up to Crystal on Thanksgiving day for her to try them out.  I was a little worried she might get frustrated given her own growth and the fact that the skis were 20cm longer that what she finished last year on.  She was a little hesitant on the first run (shown below), but no more than I recall from last years first run. She settled in quickly and had a great day - conditions were ok for thanksgiving and almost no crowds. The only thing she could articulate about how she liked the skis was they were easier to do "spinnies" on (flat 360's).

 

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The most important thing (as always) was her near continuous grin

 

1000

 

//EDIT: note the same outfit, note also that the pants are now nearly too short in spite of yanking the string to lengthen them by a couple inches.

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