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post #1 of 17
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im looking for a pretty versatile ski for eastern all mtn skiing. i have mostly race type carvers - im back on an Atomic Sl ti this year and loving the feel (coming back to it after years of softer rossis).

i bought a pair of dynastar sultan 80 and hated them. just couldn't get the feel. i want this to be also a ski i can take out when it snows a bit here (anyone remember snow) and into easy trees and bumps at Tremblant. this will also do some easy skiing with my wife, daughters, etc.

have tried nordica spitfire edt - found it very soft and pbby want more float. i will get a credit from the shopnfor the dynastars (bought just to try the 80 waist).

looking at Salomon 800 xt enduro, Blizzard 8.1 magnum, atomic blackeye ti -- heard Head has some good options?

i have a dynastar course ti that's brand new - thinking of switching to an atomic ti gs to keep the same ramp angle, but so have skis for fast cheater gs turns.

this is for a day of exploring tremblant or like mtn without havkng to switch skis (gs to slalom)...

so... carved turns, short radius, slow skiing, some bumps, faster skiing, teaching... ugh. tough.

Comments, comparisons on above skis most appreciated!
post #2 of 17
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i am 200lbs, 6'1", expert Eastern skier
post #3 of 17
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pls add Nordica Fire Arrow 80 pro to the list
post #4 of 17
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Sorry - posted this in wrong forum. Mving to Ski Gear Discussion - silly tablet....

post #5 of 17

The Enduro 800 is probably the most versatile our of the three skis you mentioned and very well the best in the trees and still not a compromise of the rest of the mountain. The Blizzard is still a great option and the Blackeye a distant third. 

post #6 of 17

I was looking for something similar and just picked up the Elan Waveflex Amphibio 82XTi yesterday after demo'ing several skis, including the Atomic Blackeye Ti. It was a toss up between the Waveflex Amphiibio 14 or the Amphibio 82XTi but I went with the 82mm vs the 74mm for a little extra underfoot. I also ski on the Atomic SL for hardpack days.

post #7 of 17
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Philpug - I always read your reviews. Blackeye a distant third, eh?

 

Can you give me a bit more insight into the performance and feel delta between the two? Switching to Blackeye ti will cost $100 extra - switching to Salomon XT800 $550 extra...

 

@ZeroGravity - are you feeling similar about the Atomic Blackeye? I've never tried Elan - not any dealers around here reaally.

post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by csr_jr View Post

Philpug - I always read your reviews. Blackeye a distant third, eh?

 

Can you give me a bit more insight into the performance and feel delta between the two? Switching to Blackeye ti will cost $100 extra - switching to Salomon XT800 $550 extra...

 

@ZeroGravity - are you feeling similar about the Atomic Blackeye? I've never tried Elan - not any dealers around here reaally.



Of the three (Amphibio WF14, 82XTi, Blackeyes) I tried back to back + my D2s, the Blackeye was my least favorite. To me, it didn't initiate as well nor felt as hooked up on the machine groomed, packed groomers.

post #9 of 17

I had a similar reaction as @ZeroGravity to the Blackeye --- it just didn't carve in the same, tight way as the 82xti (which is what I ended up getting). 

 

I think that the 82xti could be a good option (particularly given your size), depending on what you mean by "slow skiing." I'm 6'2" 195# and found that they were not much fun for skiing with my daughter when she was just beginning. Of course, now that she likes to rip down blues (she's eight), the skis are wonderful. They are pretty stiff skis in my view, and so they aren't great for slow, leisurely turns. So, depending on how slow is "slow," it is something to think about.

post #10 of 17

See  if you can demo a pair of Fischer  Motive 80s

 

so... carved turns,    yep

short radius,             yep, 16m in 175 but turn shorter than you'd expect

slow skiing,              yep

some bumps,           yep

faster skiing,            well, not 50mph but not bad

teaching... ugh. tough  ???

post #11 of 17

If you like a strong carvy feel, definitely give the Fire Arrow 80 Pro a try.  Every time I jump back on mine, I wonder why I bother with anything else.  Really covers a wide spectrum of snow conditions, from hard pack to crud to skied-up powder.  Obviously, once you get past about 6 inches of uncut pow, something wider is better, but often by the time things get pretty chewed up at lunch time, I'm back to preferring an 80-is ski.  These skis have what I would call a very zippy and zesty personality.

post #12 of 17

I can give you a run-down of various 80mm skis I have been on recently (some of which we sell, some of which we don't);

 

Volkl RTM 84: pretty stiff, great carver, not sure how good it would be off-piste

Elan Amphibio Waveflex 82Xti: a great carver as well, pretty burly for lighter guys; would recommend this to heavier skiers only

Kastle MX78: very versatile; feels like an all-mountain ski off-piste and a carver on a groomer.  Probably the class of this group

Blizzard Magnum 8.1: a very powerful ski, fairly versatile with the new softer tip, lots of grip and stability.  A bit more demanding in crud. 

Head Peak 78/84; basically the same ski, except for the width.  More all-mountain than pure carver; they ski incredibly well in bumps and crud.  Extremely versatile, not quite as powerful as some

Fischer Motive 84: again, a very versatile ski.  Not the most powerful, but can do anywhere and do anything, and is a fun carver.  Just not the stability of some of the metal laminate skis listed here.

Fischer Progressor 1000: strong ski, probably the stiffest in this group (alongside the Elan).  Very powerful, pushed me around a little (I preferred the 900 for it's softer flex). 

 

 

Out of this group, I would pick the Kastle for overall performance, the Blizzard for hard snow carving, and the Heads for off-piste snow.  I was skiing the Peak 84 in some really crappy snow yesterday (heavy, cruddy bumps from an overnight snowfall) and they vastly outperformed my Blizzard Bonafides in that crap. Much less work, more positive engagement, way quicker. The flex is really good on those for bumps and tight spaces.  

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by HRPufnStf View Post

If you like a strong carvy feel, definitely give the Fire Arrow 80 Pro a try.  Every time I jump back on mine, I wonder why I bother with anything else.  Really covers a wide spectrum of snow conditions, from hard pack to crud to skied-up powder.  Obviously, once you get past about 6 inches of uncut pow, something wider is better, but often by the time things get pretty chewed up at lunch time, I'm back to preferring an 80-is ski.  These skis have what I would call a very zippy and zesty personality.



Six inchers of uncut pow?

 

I live in Ontario. I'm not sure I've ever even seen that. ;-)

 

FA 80 looks great though

 

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

I can give you a run-down of various 80mm skis I have been on recently (some of which we sell, some of which we don't);

 

Volkl RTM 84: pretty stiff, great carver, not sure how good it would be off-piste

Elan Amphibio Waveflex 82Xti: a great carver as well, pretty burly for lighter guys; would recommend this to heavier skiers only

Kastle MX78: very versatile; feels like an all-mountain ski off-piste and a carver on a groomer.  Probably the class of this group

Blizzard Magnum 8.1: a very powerful ski, fairly versatile with the new softer tip, lots of grip and stability.  A bit more demanding in crud. 

Head Peak 78/84; basically the same ski, except for the width.  More all-mountain than pure carver; they ski incredibly well in bumps and crud.  Extremely versatile, not quite as powerful as some

Fischer Motive 84: again, a very versatile ski.  Not the most powerful, but can do anywhere and do anything, and is a fun carver.  Just not the stability of some of the metal laminate skis listed here.

Fischer Progressor 1000: strong ski, probably the stiffest in this group (alongside the Elan).  Very powerful, pushed me around a little (I preferred the 900 for it's softer flex). 

 

 

Out of this group, I would pick the Kastle for overall performance, the Blizzard for hard snow carving, and the Heads for off-piste snow.  I was skiing the Peak 84 in some really crappy snow yesterday (heavy, cruddy bumps from an overnight snowfall) and they vastly outperformed my Blizzard Bonafides in that crap. Much less work, more positive engagement, way quicker. The flex is really good on those for bumps and tight spaces.  



Thanks for this - this is a great list, mostly I will file away for future reference.

 

This will be my first 80mm ski, so I am reticient to spend too much $$ this year (as we've seen barely any snow whatsoever). I am going to give it a real go with zipping around Tremblant on whatever the choice is.

 

The ski shop I dealt with has offered to take back the Sultans and give a cr4edit, so I can grab an Atomic Blackeye Ti for just $100 more than the credit. Not my first preference, but maybe a good way to dip the toe in without breaking the budget? Next best choice is $400+ additional. Blizzard was another choice, but that was $450 more.

 

2 Q's to the room:

 

Anyone have some feedback on the Blackeye Ti (2011 with wood core)?

 

I liked the flex pattern of the Spitfire Pro EDT - really soft. Is the Firearrow 80 the same flex feel? Firearrow 80 Pro vs EDT? Dawg?

post #15 of 17

I demoed a 12 Atomic Crimson Ti - slightly wider than the Blackeye at 88, but I didn't like it much.  It felt unwieldy and didn't carve the way I wanted.  I ended up buying a Head Titan (78mm), which I totally love.  Fast, agile, energetic, and rips the frontside (and a 13.5 radius @ 170!).  Decent in crud and bumps too.  Expensive in the US market, but you can pick one up from snowinn.com for about $650.  Highly recommended.

post #16 of 17

I am a big fan off my new Salomon Enduro XT 800's. I liked them best when I demoed a bunch of skis in early December here at Sugarloaf in Maine. I am 5-9, 175# older expert skier. I had a pair of Line Prophet 90's that were good, but were not excellent for the type of skiing I like to do. I wanted to go a little narrower and have a tighter turn radius to help me on the Eastern steeps that I like to ski. Since it is hard to find the Enduros for a day around here, I took a chance and had a local shop order me a pair at 175. I have not been disappointed.  The approx. 16 M turn radius is just right for my type of skiing. The edge hold here on HARD Eastern conditions is excellent. The one department I was worried about was bumps, but they have proved to be very predictable and easily maneuvered. On a recent trip to Alta, we rented Kastle 98 mm's for the 14 in of very dense snow, but otherwise stuck with the XT 800's. They were great in the 6 in of powder on top of the dense stuff, and also in 4 to 6 in. of new snow at Powder Mountain. Excellent in big soft Western bumps. Don't know about high speed GS, as I don't often do that. As with all skis, it really depends on how you ski as to what is best, but these are my favorite skis ever.

 

Otey

post #17 of 17
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this is great feedback on the Salomon xt800... the shop might have sold the Atomic Blackeye Ti they had for me for $499 by accident to someone else.
First impression without having skied it (from reports) is that the Salomon looks like the ticket. Racey skis are my first ski - this is for snowy days and exploring a bit more...

Other candidate is the Nordica Firearrow Pro. tried the Spitfire edt and the flex was very supple and soft. no rocker though.

anyone skied both?

Btw, sorry for thentypos - i'm on my tablet at my wife's hospital bedside as she is in labour...
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