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I envy people who get to ski injected snow that will hold an edge.



 

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Compose yourself

 

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Compose yourself

 



His response seemed rather composed I thought.

post #34 of 121
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It just came to my attention I have obstructed dorsiflexion due to post-microtraumatic* calcifications on my talus bone inhibiting articulation with the lower tibia.  

 

That said, should I soften my boots to 115 to alleviate the inhibited dorsiflexion, or stiffen them up to 135 to actually oppose the dorsiflexion that doesn't happen?

 

 

 

All this for goal of ROM during turns and staying forward (as if I am not).

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Because I was foolish to think that maybe SKI Magazine's bump-fitness exercised from Patrick Deneen would be safe?  Jeez, not like they'd actually have a fitness editor tell them that pimping BOSU-ball exercises destroys the ankle joint.  I've done thousands and thousands of BOSU ball squats and rotating kicks... so freaking upset with SKI magazine.

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That said, should I soften my boots to 115 to alleviate the inhibited dorsiflexion, or stiffen them up to 135 to actually oppose the dorsiflexion that doesn't happen?

 



Try both and see what works best?

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Try both and see what works best?



OK.  You're right, it's pretty easy to take out the screws.

 

I'm going to try your suggestion of tilting my skis when they dry.

post #37 of 121

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It just came to my attention I have obstructed dorsiflexion due to post-microtraumatic* calcifications on my talus bone inhibiting articulation with the lower tibia.  

 

That said, should I soften my boots to 115 to alleviate the inhibited dorsiflexion, or stiffen them up to 135 to actually oppose the dorsiflexion that doesn't happen?

 

 

 

All this for goal of ROM during turns and staying forward (as if I am not).

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Because I was foolish to think that maybe SKI Magazine's bump-fitness exercised from Patrick Deneen would be safe?  Jeez, not like they'd actually have a fitness editor tell them that pimping BOSU-ball exercises destroys the ankle joint.  I've done thousands and thousands of BOSU ball squats and rotating kicks... so freaking upset with SKI magazine.



 

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Dude, you have to lay off the nitrous.

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He is just being polite.


 

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Dude, you have to lay off the nitrous.



  

This sound a hell lot like a hypochondriac attempting self-diagnosis and self-medicate using Web-MD.

 

 VS – If ‘you already ‘know’ what the problem is (either one of two things, or both – according to your self-diagnosis). So just go and fix it.     

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He is just being polite.


 



  

This sound a hell lot like a hypochondriac attempting self-diagnosis and self-medicate using Web-MD.

 

 VS – If ‘you already ‘know’ what the problem is (either one of two things, or both – according to your self-diagnosis). So just go and fix it.     


You have a perfect username.

 

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He is just being polite.


 



  

This sound a hell lot like a hypochondriac attempting self-diagnosis and self-medicate using Web-MD.

 

 VS – If ‘you already ‘know’ what the problem is (either one of two things, or both – according to your self-diagnosis). So just go and fix it.     


You have a perfect username.

 



 The truth hurts. If you don't like the truth, don't listen!

Oh, I'm sorry, you ARE not listening. Guess you just like to hear yourself talk. 

 

There will always be an excuse.

So just man up and fix it. 

post #42 of 121
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Well, based on the advice, it sound like running more than a 3 side bevel isn't a good thing to do, so I'm forgetting that idea.

post #43 of 121

This thread is useless without video.

post #44 of 121
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For a limited time, here is POV video of edge-outs.  OK, 6 views, no comments. 

 

Maybe tomorrow...

 


Edited by Vitamin Ski - 1/25/12 at 8:52pm
post #45 of 121

This thread needs a billy goat.

post #46 of 121

Your videos prove there is no boot out.  You are just falling over.

 

 

To legitmatley "boot out" you need to be inclined so far that your boot hits....to be inclined that far you need to be generating the forces requied to support that degree of inclinition.  That requires alot of speed and tight turns....you are going far too slow, and not turning any where near hard enough to be generating those kinds of Gs.

 

 

 

 

post #47 of 121

Looks like you just leaned in too far.  Back and inside perhaps?

 

 

post #48 of 121
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Skidude, I'm aware I didn't boot out.

 

Conditions were loose granular, amplifying difficulty on fall-away turns.

post #49 of 121
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Looks like you just leaned in too far.  Back and inside perhaps?



So leaning forward increases edge pressure?

post #50 of 121
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Skidude, I'm aware I didn't boot out.

 

Conditions were loose granular, amplifying difficulty on fall-away turns.



So if you know that you are just falling over...why did you post it?

post #51 of 121
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So if you know that you are just falling over...why did you post it?



I'm not falling over...I have the balance to do a single legged squat on the underside of a bosu ball...  I have too much inclination, coupled with sketchy surface conditions that don't like to hold ski edges.

 

 

Why did I post it?  Somebody requested video.

post #52 of 121
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I didn't fall over in about 40 other runs... so I'm wondering what was different about those turns that held up vs the ones that did not.

post #53 of 121
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So leaning forward increases edge pressure?



Pressing forward into the tongues of a boot which offers some resistance will move pressure to the forebody of the ski.  If said ski happens to be tipped onto and edge, then yes pressing forward will increase edge grip and cause a tighter turning radius as the ski's taper causes the tip to climb.   Leaning forward at the waist, ...not so much.

post #54 of 121
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I have the balance to do a single legged squat on the underside of a bosu ball... 



BTW... not only is this not that difficult, but it is almost completely unrelated to balancing on a tipped platform while sliding across a slippery surface. It is definitely not a qualification for balancing on one ski while racing. It hardly makes any kind of point, other than the fact that you have some significant misunderstandings regarding skiing - especially your own.

post #55 of 121
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I didn't fall over in about 40 other runs... so I'm wondering what was different about those turns that held up vs the ones that did not.



Luck.

post #56 of 121
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What is tip lead?

 

 

What is hip-dumping?

post #57 of 121
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Luck.



Horse-shit... there was a reason 98% of the turns worked and two didn't.  If you can't identify it, what do you know about skiing?

post #58 of 121

Yes you are correct Vitaski!   I believe your base bevel was off a bit the two times you hip checked!  Yep that was it!, No fault of yours.  OR it could've been one of those pesky "snow snakes"!  They are quick and difficult to spot, but they get the best of us sometimes! rolleyes.gif

post #59 of 121
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Yes you are correct Vitaski!   I believe your base bevel was off a bit the two times you hip checked!  Yep that was it!, No fault of yours.  OR it could've been one of those pesky "snow snakes"!  They are quick and difficult to spot, but they get the best of us sometimes! rolleyes.gif



Well it was SOMETHING, where there is a 98% success rate.  so something is working, but it'd be nice if I could identify what is working on those turns.

post #60 of 121

You didn't lean in quite as far the other 98% of the time but I would bet you were probably less than balanced over the inside edge of your outside ski most of the other turns as well.  You just discovered where the limit was when you fell over.

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