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post #91 of 105
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Originally Posted by BaconMeCrazy View Post

Thanks for the replies and suggestions. I just received my book in the mail yesterday. I'm finding the many options for boots and bindings confusing. Hopefully, I can wrap my head around it. I assume it becomes clearer once I'm actually using the equipment, but I would like to window shop. There aren't many (if any) places near me that sell tele gear. If any MN bears know of some shops, please let me know.  

Feel free to PM for gear help and questions if I lose track of things here.
post #92 of 105
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Originally Posted by BaconMeCrazy View Post
 

Thanks for the replies and suggestions. I just received my book in the mail yesterday. I'm finding the many options for boots and bindings confusing. Hopefully, I can wrap my head around it. I assume it becomes clearer once I'm actually using the equipment, but I would like to window shop. There aren't many (if any) places near me that sell tele gear. If any MN bears know of some shops, please let me know.  

 

Most the shops in the Mpls/St Paul area that carried any tele gear have quit. Kinda gotta read and roll the dice. Use a place with a good return policy like Backcountry or REI. 

 

That said, there are a coupe sizable tribes of meadow skippers at Welch and Afton, so just chase us down and ask questions. We're a pretty friendly crew! 

post #93 of 105
http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/ has a good return policy and a large selection, sale prices on now too. At least you can shop a large variety even if you ordersemi locally.
post #94 of 105

For someone that has been around as long as you have been this should be an easy question for you to answer. Kind of a ridiculous question, if you want to start a discussion about tele skiing then okay but pretending like you don't know why people tele ski is disingenuous. 

post #95 of 105
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Originally Posted by iceage View Post

For someone that has been around as long as you have been this should be an easy question for you to answer. Kind of a ridiculous question, if you want to start a discussion about tele skiing then okay but pretending like you don't know why people tele ski is disingenuous. 

The thread was started three years back, then recently reopened.
post #96 of 105

Good grief... :rolleyes

post #97 of 105
After page 2, things generally drift. In this case, kind of nicely with some great info for anyone telemarking. smile.gif
post #98 of 105
In terms of history, are people saying that the tele turn was first?

What evidence is there that originally the heel was free? If you're lashing your boot to a ski with leather do we think they just lashed the front? That's much harder to do then the whole thing.

I know people that stopped alpine skiing and switched to tele because of knee issues. Yes alpine to tele. They're still doing it and it's 10 years later. I will say it's tough to ski with them because of their very slow rate of descent. They stop a lot.
post #99 of 105
Originally skiing was to get places. Cross country type skiing preceded downhill by thousands of years. See how far you get with a fixed heel trying to get to Aunt Millie's.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/12/first-skiers/ski-history-interactive
post #100 of 105
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

In terms of history, are people saying that the tele turn was first?

What evidence is there that originally the heel was free? If you're lashing your boot to a ski with leather do we think they just lashed the front? That's much harder to do then the whole thing.

 

Yes, people are saying a fixed heel alpine ski came much MUCH later. That's simply the history of the sport of skiing.

 

In answer to the OP's question (i.e. why):

1) Decent pair of Icelandic skis in the want ads: $80

2) Pair of G3 bindings mounted to some old skis at the local thrift store: $5

3) Garmont tele boots at the consignment shop $45

4) Brand new G3 climbing skins on sale online: $68

 

Total cost of a complete backcountry tele package: $203

 

Couldn't find a pair of AT bindings for less than the total cost of my entire tele set up?

post #101 of 105
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Yes, people are saying a fixed heel alpine ski came much MUCH later. That's simply the history of the sport of skiing.

i'm not so sure about that. Certainly the tele turn came much later. Looks like the heel might have been secured thousands of years before also.

That nat'l geo referenced the mongolians.

Well there are still some around sking on skis probably the same as they were thousands of years ago. Appears to be toe and heel affixed by leather with skins permanently attached. Some are nearly full length and some just under foot. Skis are 120-150mm underfoot. Fatties!

I guess the heel is possibly both, free and fixed. So it's AT?? They do not use the tele turn when skiing downhill. More like the Gold Miners of the late 19th century with one large pole used like a rudder. They hunted with bow and arrow from the skis.

One type with full skins:
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http://www.vintagewinter.com/blogs/blog/2327012-indigenous-skiing-in-the-altai-mountains-of-nw-china

Skiing with pole drag style:

Bater_skis_into_the_valley_-_Color.jpg?1290589138

In this short clip you see them making skis then skiing downhill. And crashing. The foot is attached at heel when he lifts the ski in the camp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDY-aUru_bs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Earlier post, see #21 from a 2011 thread:
http://www.epicski.com/t/102775/ski-history-what-happened
post #102 of 105

Not sure if nordic cultures used the same method for attaching the foot to the ski but pictures are super cool!

post #103 of 105

Three pinning the Crusty Butt!

 

post #104 of 105

Apparently, many competitors forgot to tie down their rawhide heel straps.

post #105 of 105

I'm signing up for telemark lessons this year. I'll start with three 1.5 hour lessons, they'll provide the gear. If I like it (can't see why I won't), I'll be looking into getting bindings and boots. I have a current pair of skis that I'd convert to a tele set up. I'd rather not rent all season.

 

I'm not sure what kind of gear they'll have during the lessons. Ideally, I'd like to try both cable and NTN bindings to see the difference. Any suggestions what I should start on?

 

Boots are going to be tricky. I might be stuck with REI so I can actually try them on.

 

Where do MN tele bears take their gear? Any suggestions on where to go to have bindings mounted locally?

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