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post #61 of 82

In the dark
Where all the fevers grow
Under the water
(water)
Where the shark bubbles blow
In the mornin
(mornin)
By yer radio
(radio!)
Do the walls close in tsuffocate ya
You aint got no friends . . .
An all the others: they hate ya
Does the life you been leadin gotta go? 
Well, let me straighten you out
About a little russian restaurant I know . . .
(get yer shoes n socks on people, it's right aroun the corner!)

Out through the night
An the whisperin breezes
To the place where they keep
The imaginary diseases

Out through the night
An the whisperin breezes
To the place where they keep
The imaginary diseases . . .

Now scientists call this disease bromidrosis
(that's right!)
And well they should
Even napoleon knows that
But us regular folks
Who might wear a tennis shoe
Or an occasional krypton boot
Know this exquisite little inconvenience by the name of:
Stink foot

Yknow, my python boot is too tight
I couldnt get it off last night
A week went by, an now it's july
I finally got it off
An my girl-friend cry
You got stink foot! stink foot, darlin
Your stink foot puts a hurt on my nose!
Stink foot! stink foot! I aint lyin,
Can you rinse it off, dyou suppose? 

Here fido . . . fido . . .
Here fido . . . bring the slippers little puppy
Yes, that's a good dog! yes!
Arf, arf, arf!
[crash-crumble-bump-bump-bump]
Sick . . .

And now, ladies and gentlemen,
We have a song for you about flying saucers
This song is going to be sung for you by george
And the name of the song is inca roads

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post #62 of 82
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Originally Posted by contesstant View Post



Ok, so with this in mind, would it be wise to remove the boots at lunch? I have a horrible time with mine after lunch and I think this explains a lot.



Better yet, don't stop for lunch.



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Originally Posted by dingycaptain View Post

Just curious, does anybody go barefoot? Some hockey players go barefoot in skates for tighter fit, has anyone tried it with skiboots?



I ski without sock, barefoot except for the boot liners and boots, but only because there is no room for 'em in my boots.

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Socks?

I don't need no schtinking socks!

 

PS.  Where's the cheapest place to buy boot gloves?wink.gif

 

post #63 of 82
Thread Starter 
I've gone barefoot when I forget socks- just once last year when I couldn't buy a new pair. I can't get past the slimy feeling.
post #64 of 82
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Originally Posted by Supra285 View Post

I have skied barefoot for 30 years. For some it may be "gross".  I don't experience foot issues (ie: heavy sweat, odors, bunions, etc.). I use custom footbeds that I remove and wash, and I dry out my boots after each use. I have never had cold feet while skiing and consider myself very blessed to not have experienced that. I tried skiing with socks once, stopped in the middle of my first run and removed them slope side. I have accepted my weirdness and who knows...someday I may try socks again. 



Hey, if it works for you, why change?

post #65 of 82

I really enjoyed the original post and disagree about the liner packing out so quickly.  Enough has been said about that however.  My thought is what can we do within the industry to share this info to more beginners and beginner/intermediates who are still making the common mistake of over thickness, doubling up, or tucking materials into the cuff that will shorten or killl their skiing experience, and then shorten their ski lifecycle?  Is it training to renters/fitters?  Education via resort initiative? I want skiers and snowboarders to ride more and enjoy more (so they buy more), and want people to smile more...(really because I started in the bootfitting area long ago and it HURTS to see these simple mistakes being made...

post #66 of 82
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Well what's excellent?

 

I've used these Fox River socks for years and liked them. They have left and right. I thought they were pretty good. You have good feel.

I had a few pairs that lasted for years with no problem. Last year I got two new pair. They're a little different material. Both have holes in the toe after only several days.

S5997HQ07464.jpg

 

http://www.foxsox.com/catalog/product.aspx?type=subcategory&sortorder=weight&code=SKI&selectedstyle=5997


Hmm, looks like my reply went into the great bit bucket in the sky. Here I go again.

 

Hey Tog;

 

Thanks for the great pointer. It looks like Fox has two socks which are very similar , the VVS LV (43% Merino wool, 37% nylon, 18% silk, 2% spandex) and the VVS MV (41% Merino wool, 40% nylon, 17% silk, 2% spandex). The MV's are $2 more per pair (-2% merino, +3% nylon, -1% silk) but other than that, there isn't any indication as to functional difference. Perhaps you got two different models? I'm probably going to spring for a couple pairs of the MVs (under the vague feeling that 3% more nylon improves the durability).

 

post #67 of 82
Thread Starter 

Bump for -2.8°F and sunny in Jackson Hole this morning.

 

Lots of friends are skiing early AM today- Superbowl you know.

post #68 of 82

I'm going skiing today.  One foot in a Pats sock, one foot Giants.

 

Both fully ribbed, cotton athletic versions, of course!

post #69 of 82

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Originally Posted by enkidu View Post

Hmm, looks like my reply went into the great bit bucket in the sky. Here I go again.

 

Hey Tog;

 

Thanks for the great pointer. It looks like Fox has two socks which are very similar , the VVS LV (43% Merino wool, 37% nylon, 18% silk, 2% spandex) and the VVS MV (41% Merino wool, 40% nylon, 17% silk, 2% spandex). The MV's are $2 more per pair (-2% merino, +3% nylon, -1% silk) but other than that, there isn't any indication as to functional difference. Perhaps you got two different models? I'm probably going to spring for a couple pairs of the MVs (under the vague feeling that 3% more nylon improves the durability).

You're focusing on the fiber makeup, but the main difference I is weight. The VVS LV is the "ultra lightweight" and the MV is "light weight". (perhaps LV is low volume, and MV is medium volume?)

The MV's come in a violet/black color also as a choice, the LV's only in the grey/black. By pattern they look indistinguishable in grey/black. In the store, you would be able to tell.

 

I think I have the Ultras, but tbh, I don't know. They are thin, but not panty hose thin. I do know, that both from the different years are very similar weights. The old ones have been bomber, literally still near new after years. The new ones holes in big toe at a few days use.

 

VVS® LV Ski
Style #5997

Ultra light-weight, Over-the-calf
Mens/Unisex, USA Made
Luxurious natural Merino wool & silk are knit to fit each foot anatomically for superior feel on the slopes. Moisture management to keep you warm/dry.

  • Made in the USA
  • Memory-knit construction throughout helps sock keep its form, wash after wash
  • Smooth, flat toe seam adds comfort and durability
  • Anatomically designed for a better fit for each foot (Left/Right)
  • Reinforced toe and heel add comfort and longer product life

 

Temperature: Cold Weather (30s & above)

 

Weight: Ultra light-weight

 

Height/Type: Over-the-calf

 

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And here's the other one:

 

 

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VVS® MV Ski
Style #5998

Light weight, Over-the-calf
Mens/Unisex, USA Made
Luxurious natural Merino wool & silk are knit to fit each foot anatomically for superior feel on the slopes. Moisture management to keep you warm/dry.

  • Made in the USA
  • Memory-knit construction throughout helps sock keep its form, wash after wash
  • Smooth, flat toe seam adds comfort and durability
  • Anatomically designed for a better fit for each foot (Left/Right)
  • Half-cushioned shin and foot absorb shocks and insulate

 

Temperature: Cold Weather (30s & above)

 

Weight: Light weight

 

Height/Type: Over-the-calf

 

From: http://www.foxsox.com/catalog/search.aspx?type=subcategory&sortorder=stylenumber&code=SKI&pagesize=10&pageindex=1


 

 

post #70 of 82
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Originally Posted by Skiing-in-Jackson View Post

Bump for -2.8°F and sunny in Jackson Hole this morning.

 

Lots of friends are skiing early AM today- Superbowl you know.



Well one good thing about the east coast, I skied till the lifts stopped and still made kick off. Though now I wish I had just gone night skiing.

 

 

post #71 of 82

Thanks Tog. Very informative. I'll give the LV a go.

post #72 of 82
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post

Dave, I have about 90 days on my Tecnica liners and feel they are pretty packed out. I called Crystal at Intuition and asked her what liners to buy for my Dragons.  She hooked me up and I will be molding them today for my trip to UT next weekbiggrin.gif



Same here, dragon 100's, packed to the bone and about 80 days on them.

Havn't bought intuitions for them yet but pretty soon.

Ive always skied them in a thin synthetic ski specific sock, they were very comfortable, but the shin bang is getting a little unbearable.

post #73 of 82
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Originally Posted by snowyphil65 View Post



Same here, dragon 100's, packed to the bone and about 80 days on them.

Havn't bought intuitions for them yet but pretty soon.

Ive always skied them in a thin synthetic ski specific sock, they were very comfortable, but the shin bang is getting a little unbearable.

Try this first. In general, shin bang means too much room in cuff.

buy at link below or Tognar etc. Or, ask drbalance, instaprint is his company.

http://masterfitenterprises.com/eliminator.html

eliminator_big_product.jpg

 

post #74 of 82

I tried the eliminators, but they really didn't do much for me and I shelved them after a day or so.

 

What I found really helped a lot is the booster strap:

 

MFT-BOS-ski-boot-booster-tightening-strap__51649_std.jpg

 

The front of the strap is elastic (neoprene I think) and it's like having a shock absorber on the tongue. But the elastic is pretty stiff, so you actually get stronger retention than what the velcro straps give you.

 

The velcro straps have never worked for me - I guess I put a lot of pressure on the liner tongue and the velcro straps just never held up to the pressure.  At the end of the day the velcro would always be undone when I went to take my boots off.  Not a problem with the booster strap.  And no banging - the boot gives when I flex it.

post #75 of 82

My wife has very thin calves and was suffering from shin bang and lack of control from her boots, Used both the eliminator and the booster straps. the combination worked beautifully.

 

 

post #76 of 82
Thread Starter 

Bump!

post #77 of 82

I was just thinking about this today as I felt the temperature change while sitting on the patio. 

Between this thread and the one Dan Egan started a while back, there is a ton of good info on keeping your feet comfy and dry. 

 

Keep Your Feet Warm

 

If this thread hasn't been made into an article, then it should be. 

post #78 of 82

Threads such as this always deteriorate into a contest as who uses the thinnest socks, as if that implies they are a macho skier, or something. 

 

When I bought my latest boots: Nordica Speedmachine 12s I fitted them originally with Smartwool Ultralight socks, assuming that the liners would pack out about 1/2 size.  They did, so now I am using Smartwool Light Cushion PhD socks.  Fit is precise, my feet do not hurt so that I do not find the necessity of even unbuckling them at lunch.  The liners have not packed out more; I have about 100 days on them.  

 

Macho boot fitters who, assuming that they are fitting World Cup racers, cram people into boots two sizes too small with socks as thin as a butterfly's wing are not serving their customers well.   The inevitable result is pain and cold feet.   The many skiers I have seen in lift lines with their boots partially unbuckled are evidence of their work.  They should be avoided. 

post #79 of 82

Hm, I don't have tons of experience, but I saw a worldclass bootfitter at Aspen last winter and bought boots. I'm not sure if he's macho or not but he certainly fits racers. He fit me into much smaller boots than I used to wear and got me to stop wearing "moose hunting" socks and start wearing skiing socks. My feet are warmer, much more comfortable, and my skis feel far more responsive.

His reasoning, as I understood it, is that ski boots should fit like gloves and have sufficient insulation in the liner so that thick socks aren't needed. If your boots don't fit or have inadequate insulation, socks won't fix it. YMMV :)

post #80 of 82

This thread is really interesting to me since I just tried on some new boots the other day. It seems clear from reading the posts, that everyone has strong feelings about socks and the way boots should fit. I wish it was easier to make a decision on which boots to buy! It's such a personal thing. I know my feet are picky suckers - wide, high instep, and tend to be very cold. I had Hotronics in my last boots and loved them. What boots to love.  Any opinions people?

post #81 of 82
Thread Starter 

Bump!

 

Sock error ends another great powder day.  Saw it a few times this week.

 

99% of skiers on the market should look no farther than the Smartwool Ultralight (wool) or the Bridgedale Microlight (synthetic).  Your socks should cost no more than US$ 20.00.  Sixty dollar socks???  Skip that and purchase a few extra pairs of regular ones and change them out at lunch.

post #82 of 82

http://www.rei.com/product/737998/rei-merino-wool-liner-socks,-charcoal,-small?preferredSku=7379980019&cm_mmc=cse_froogle-_-pla-_-product-_-7379980019&mr:referralID=2268a8dc-460e-11e2-97b3-001b2166becc

 

these with an intuition keep my feet comfy and warm, bonus in that when my liner starts to pack out a little more I can just wear a normal (Not thick)ski sock to get some of that fit back.

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