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post #31 of 53

Day 3 on the Chariots today.  Spring conditions, frozen in the early AM & 50*+ in the PM.  Mine were base ground to flat before I mounted them & now have a 1/1 bevel.  They still seemed grabby, so this morning I took a gummy stone to the tips & tails & it made a big difference.  On my first run on the ice this morning I had a major "WOW" moment at the bottom of the hill!  Who'da thunk a 101mm waisted ski could carve arcs like that th_dunno-1[1].gif.  Anyway, skied them all day today both on & off piste, even got a few bumps in. 

 

Have to say I am pretty stoked right now.  I think this ski really fits for someone who wants a wider ski that can do it all & is not interested in a ski with early rise or rocker, but is more comfortable with a traditional full camber ski.  Hope to get them in some fresh snow by early next week.

 

Here is a blurry Iphone video from late this afternoon in the slush:

 

Thanks,

JF

post #32 of 53

Had my Chariots out today in 70 degree spring skiing at Cannon Mtn in NH. I tuned them yesterday and got the bases pretty flat and close to a 1 / 2 deg bevels. I didn't expect to use my edges at all, but if you know Cannon, even on a 70 deg. day, I used my edges. Have to say, "success", and I had a absolute blast on the skis. No more hook, squirrel, or any other bad behavior. Some of it was the mashed potato snow, but I could tell the ski has settled down. They was lots of boiler plate that was in various stages of melting, some with an inch of water running down it. Granted the boiler was softened, but the skis were completely predictable and easy to control. Final verdict will come on a cold day, which may not happen till next year.

 

Anyway, these skis were made for soft spring conditions, with a little (lot) of slush at the bottom. They were absolute monsters, they just blew through clumps, tracked straight and true. I don't know if I would say they "floated" in these conditions, but the skis went where pointed and the snow wasn't pushing them around or grabbing them. They carved great and really held on some double blacks that were scratchy, but soft. They were a lot of fun in bumps, but I will say I had to yank one ski out of a trough when it got buried in the side of a mogul.

 

There were lots of wide skis out this day and they were handling the snow better than the skinny ones.

post #33 of 53

I purchased the SkiLogik Ullr's Chariot TT 178cm about a month ago and have been skiing them at Schweitzer Mountain Resort in Sandpoint, ID.  I mounted Marker Griffon Schizo bindings so that I could adjust the binding position +3cm/-3cm from recommended boot center position.  My quiver includes a Volkl RTM 84 176cm and Rossignol Sickle 186cm.  The Ullr's Chariot TTs are a fantastic all around ski and they perform admirably in a wide variety of conditions.  

 

Their carving capability is solid especially for a 100mm+ waste ski, probably due to the fact that they are a traditionally cambered ski.  That being said, the Volkl RTM 84 is a better choice for firmer snow conditions and higher speed carving.  Performance in powder is very good, but not nearly as good as my fully (gently) rockered Sickle which are both wider and longer.  That's what's great about this ski.  When you are skiing in varied conditions, this ski is much better all over the mountain than both the RTM 84 and the Sickle.  It's nice to be able to head out the door not knowing exactly what I'll be skiing, but knowing that I have a ski that does everything pretty well.  If it's going to be a deep powder day, then I'll ride the Sickle.  If it's going to be a firm day, then I'll ride the RTM 84.  If it's anything in between, I'll ride the Chariot TTs.  As a side note, the adjustability of the Schizo binding fore and aft only improves the versatility of the ski.  As an example, we had some fresh snow this past week, so I set the bindings to -2cm and an already great ski performed even better.

 

Although I've only had the skis a month and can't comment on their long term durability, they are holding up extremely well.  I was initially concerned that the topsheet might be very fragile and not hold up to aggressive skiing, but they still look absolutely fantastic and show no signs of premature wear.  I anticipate that they will hold up extremely well.

 

The factory recommended a professional tune with a 1 degree base edge bevel and 2 degree side edge bevel prior to skiing them.  When I took the skis into the shop, the techs indicated that there was considerable variation in the existing bevels along the length of the ski and that the bases weren't particularly flat.  I decided to do a complete tune including a base grind and started with 1 degree base and 1 degree side bevels.  I'm skiing in soft conditions so wanted to see how this setup performed before getting more aggressive with the side edge bevel.  I was a bit surprised about the amount of variation in the ski.

 

Overall I would highly recommend the Ullr's Chariot TT.  They're a great all around ski for people that enjoy skiing all over the mountain in what I would term as good all around western conditions.

post #34 of 53

Msenske,

 

Really good write up on the Chariots. I couldn't agree more with you description. I ski the East Coast and the edge hold is what I am really impressed with and that the ski can do an effortless short radius turn and feel great in long radius turns as well. I find I just ride the edges constantly and only pivot the skis when I need super quick cuts in bumps. My friend is getting a pair and he describes the skis as "they make you a better skier"

 

TO ALL CHARIOT OWNERS:

 

Make sure your bottoms are flat and your base/edge bevel is consistent (Ski Logik recommends 1 deg base, 2 deg edge). Ski Logik is a very young company and they do not always get this correct on every ski. Mazz says they are focusing on getting this right, but if the ski is doing anything "bad" get it tuned. My skis are 2 years old, skied only 1 year, and after proper tuning, all grabbing on hard pack and looseness on run outs was gone. They become your best friend!!!!

post #35 of 53

So, I have been skiing mine everyday since my last report.  Took the file guide to them for a cleaner 1 degree base bevel & now they are a truly wonderful & versatile ski.  I have skied everything from rock hard early morning refrozen slush to some good powder & afternoon mank...  some steep chutes, trees & a few bumps.   They are officially my new go to ski!

 

Dropping in to Lone Tree chute on Wed. afternoon:

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Even a little pow left through the side door at the bottom:

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Thanks,

JF

post #36 of 53

On a soft snow focussed ski with significant sidecut, I strongly prefer 1/2 bevels to 1/3.  I find the 2 degree side bevel lets the ski hook up more gradually when you start rolling it on edge, and also allows for less of an on/off behavior when feathering the ski in chutes, tight trees, crap sidehill moguls, etc.

 

Grabbiness be banished!

post #37 of 53

I wanted to add a few more comments regarding my experience with my SkiLogik Ullr's Chariot TT 178cm skis.  I skied them this weekend at Schweitzer Mountain Resort in Sandpoint, ID in spring conditions.  Temps were in the high 30's on Saturday and mid 40's on Sunday.

 

On Saturday, the snow was very soft, especially when the sun was hitting the slopes, however, as the sun went behind the clouds and the temps dropped, the clumpy surface snow started to refreeze and turn into frozen crud.  The Chariots handled the soft conditions beautifully, however, they didn't handle the freezing crud conditions nearly as well.  Obviously, as the person driving the skis I only have myself to blame for the less than stellar performance, however, the skis didn't put me at ease in the less than desirable conditions.  I never felt comfortable. The best way that I can describe how they performed, was that they were pushed around in the freezing crud much more than I thought they would be.  They were much more difficult to ski than I anticipated, and they felt extremely stiff and unforgiving.

 

On Sunday, the snow was extremely soft as temps continued to rise and the sun was out throughout the entire day.  The skis performed extremely well in the soft spring snow and I was impressed with both their carving ability as well as the ability to smear a turn when necessary on some of the steeper sections.  I thought that they performed much better than my Volkl RTM 84s would have, especially as the soft snow was skied out and turned into a combination of soft crud and moguls.

 

I'm not exactly sure why I struggled with the Chariots in the heavy freezing crud as much as I did.  Perhaps it was just a bad day on the mountain for me, perhaps it was the tune, perhaps it was just nasty conditions, etc.  I just wanted to pass along the fact that for the first time since owning the Ullr's Chariot TT that I I felt that they didn't make skiing easier.

 

The other comment that I'll make, which I believe was made in an earlier post in this thread, is the fact that the bases of the Ullr's Chariot TT are thirsty for wax.  The bases have appeared chalky and dry after two (2) ski days and as such I've been having them waxed accordingly.

 

I still love the Ullr's Chariot TT and I look forward to skiing them next weekend at Schweitzer Mountain Resort.  We are supposed to have some fresh snow on the way!!!

post #38 of 53

I had mentioned the bases are thirsty, and gave them several coats before first skiing.  I use a universal wax on them and the wax seems to last as long on the UCs as any other ski.   I used a basic soft hydrocarbon to prep the skis.  I imagine your morning "heavy, freezing crud" has something to do with scraping off some wax.  That stuff is tough to handle on any ski.  I stick to the groomers until the frozen crap starts to soften later in the day. 

post #39 of 53

A brief update on my impressions of the Ski Logik Ullr's Chariot TT 178cm skis.  I have had 15 days on them this winter at Schweitzer Mountain Resort in Sandpoint, ID in a wide variety of conditions and they have really grown on me.  In fact, my Volkl RTM 84 176cm have essentially been rendered obsolete due to the fact that the Ullr's Chariot TTs handle firm/packed snow conditions so well.  I still prefer my Rossignol Sickle 186cm skis for deeper powder days, but this is to be expected given their 110mm waist and full tip-to-tail rocker design.

 

The fact that the Ullr's Chariot TTs are traditionally cambered skis with a 101mm waist gives them an uncanny ability to carve beautiful turns on firm snow while also allowing them to handle powder, tracked powder, and crud extremely well.  It should also be noted that they perform very well in bumps (the softer the better).  As long as you stay over the front of the skis and avoid getting in the backseat, the Ullr's Chariot TTs respond extremely well.  You have to work for your fun as opposed to having it handed to you.  I will also comment briefly on how much I'm enjoying the Marker Griffon Schizo bindings.  They make an extremely versatile ski even more versatile.  When I'm skiing powder I typically move the bindings back on the ski and when I'm skiing firm/packed snow I move them forward.  It's remarkable how significant a difference binding position can have on how a ski feels and performs in various conditions.

 

At the beginning of this season, my local ski shop (Spokane Alpine Haus) performed a full tune on the skis with a 1 degree base edge bevel and a 2 degree side edge bevel.  I think that this combination, which is recommended by the factory, has something to do with my satisfaction with the skis.

 

I will close by saying that these skis are absolutely AWESOME!!!  I would recommend them to anybody looking for an all mountain ski and I firmly believe that they are a fantastic choice for people looking for a one ski quiver.

post #40 of 53

Thank for all the great info gents.  I will demo a pair of these out in utah in a week or two.  do you recomend I ask the shop to do a tune given the issues i read here.?  Kinda a silly question which i already know the answer to but any ways.  thanks

post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by chicago55 View Post

Thank for all the great info gents.  I will demo a pair of these out in utah in a week or two.  do you recomend I ask the shop to do a tune given the issues i read here.?  Kinda a silly question which i already know the answer to but any ways.  thanks

You already know the answer, although I figure the company by now has that issue taken care of.  Stick an Arkansas or gumi stone in your pocket if you have a concern.  Remember when you demo that this is a relatively fat ski at 101 and fairly stiff.  Like with any of the fatter skis, if you are coming off a thinner waste for the first time just make sure both skis are working together (a few years ago I had to consciously edge the uphill ski of everything fat I demoed a bit more...now it is second nature).  

post #42 of 53

I have never heard people cut a ski so much slack for poor performance.  un-believable!  Give her a break....she's so pretty.

 

First they said they had the wood and clear finish top sheet down and it would be durable. Now they say they have a new clear top sheet to fix it. They're learning all right.  Give me a pair to demo in 25 years.

post #43 of 53

Who said anything about poor performance?

 

Let's see, RealSkiers made the UC (male and female version) the Ski of the Year again for the one-ski quiver, alongside other category skis that included the Bushwacker, the FireArrow 84 EDT, the MX 83, the Worldcup i.SL, the Amphibio Insomnia, etc.  Skiing made a few of the SkiLogik's "Official Selections" and they won other awards. No question the other skis are good too, but you will hate the Ski Logik choice because it is 25 years too new compared to models from Elan, HEAD, Blizzard, etc.?

 

I have to shop for a new SUV today instead of going skiing because some texting lady rear-ended me and my older vehicle was deemed an "economic loss."  Based upon your logic should I avoid almost all cars since they get improvements every year?  Should I avoid any car if I can make it better by ScotchGuarding the fabric, waxing it twice a year, put on better tires or put on an aftermarket trailer hitch for the bike rack?  Should I avoid a buying a car if it takes me a day to get use to it slightly under or over-steering compared to my old car?  I don't understand your logic, or "Logik." 


Edited by quant2325 - 1/20/13 at 11:50am
post #44 of 53

What are you talking about? Several posts excuse the ski for one thing or another. And they did totally fail on the top sheet durability. 

 

Have no idea what your car analogies mean. I would avoid (to answer your question with your word) ski logik because it is a poor ski with a credibility problem. Go ahead, buy yourself a quiver full. Matters not to me; one more person handicapping themselves for some odd reason.  Personally I will hate on it for several reasons, none of which mean much to you, but mainly because there are so many better skis.

 

And Realskiers is a pathetic excuse for knowledge of skis. You really have to be kidding about this ski. It will be gone soon, and even people's appreciation of cheap wood marquetry that looks like a $9.00 imported jewelry box won't save it.

 

How about a nice photo of some SkiLogik's leaning against the wall of some 5 star restaurant in the Canyons?  That makes some kind of odd sense.  Vain people with vain skis.  


Edited by davluri - 1/20/13 at 1:53pm
post #45 of 53

Hello.  Just wanted to say as a full time ski instructor who has given up caring when kids ski over his skis, the topsheets on skilogiks are as good or better than any other ski I've ever had. I'm sorry Davluri, but you're flat out wrong on that one. Perhaps it was different pre-clear iron coating, but mine are just fine. As far as performance goes, it's all been said before- exceptional edge grip and smooth carve, awesome in powder, great pretty much all around etc. The only thing I wasn't 100% satisfied with was absolute top speed stability- around 50 mph they start to chatter a bit it harder/cruddy conditions, but I wouldn't trade for improvement in this regard if it came at the cost of their incredible playfulness in softer snow at slower/moderate speeds. They make GS skis for that.

 

I live and work in VT, and they've been the only mounted ski I own since march of last year. I will say this- about two weeks ago I noticed I had cracked/bent the right ski starting at the toe piece. The crack appears to be only in the topsheet, but the camber is definitely messed up (they diverge at the toe when you press them together). I sent pics in and they said they would warranty them. I decided to have them replaced with a pair of the Rock Stars (which I just got today... cant wait for tomorrow!), and then search around for another all-mountain type ski for my work days. I tried a ton of skis, including Bushwackers, a bunch of different Kaestles, volkl's, even Bombers.  In the end I decided to just buy another pair of Chariot TT's because yes, they are that awesome. The only other ski I even considered were the Kaestle MX88s- the price difference made it an easy decision. If I were to buy a third ski for my quiver it would probably be the MX83s for the bulletproof days, but even there the chariots perform well enough.  

 

Bottom line- with access to virtually any ski, I'll be taking my level 3 exam on Chariots.  

 

Edit: I should mention that I'm extremely rough on my skis- lots of bumps, lots of drops, lots of days. 

post #46 of 53

Davluri is either an idiot or a lousy skier who wouldn't know a good ski if it was strapped on his boots.  All my friends at Squaw Valley love their Ski Logiks no matter what the cut.  These are pro's and retired racers who could probably outski davluri on one ski logik ski when he is on two. Ha - what a joke!

post #47 of 53
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Originally Posted by DudeAbieds View Post

Hello.  Just wanted to say as a full time ski instructor who has given up caring when kids ski over his skis, the topsheets on skilogiks are as good or better than any other ski I've ever had. I'm sorry Davluri, but you're flat out wrong on that one. Perhaps it was different pre-clear iron coating, but mine are just fine. As far as performance goes, it's all been said before- exceptional edge grip and smooth carve, awesome in powder, great pretty much all around etc. The only thing I wasn't 100% satisfied with was absolute top speed stability- around 50 mph they start to chatter a bit it harder/cruddy conditions, but I wouldn't trade for improvement in this regard if it came at the cost of their incredible playfulness in softer snow at slower/moderate speeds. They make GS skis for that.

 

I live and work in VT, and they've been the only mounted ski I own since march of last year. I will say this- about two weeks ago I noticed I had cracked/bent the right ski starting at the toe piece. The crack appears to be only in the topsheet, but the camber is definitely messed up (they diverge at the toe when you press them together). I sent pics in and they said they would warranty them. I decided to have them replaced with a pair of the Rock Stars (which I just got today... cant wait for tomorrow!), and then search around for another all-mountain type ski for my work days. I tried a ton of skis, including Bushwackers, a bunch of different Kaestles, volkl's, even Bombers.  In the end I decided to just buy another pair of Chariot TT's because yes, they are that awesome. The only other ski I even considered were the Kaestle MX88s- the price difference made it an easy decision. If I were to buy a third ski for my quiver it would probably be the MX83s for the bulletproof days, but even there the chariots perform well enough.  

 

Bottom line- with access to virtually any ski, I'll be taking my level 3 exam on Chariots.  

 

Edit: I should mention that I'm extremely rough on my skis- lots of bumps, lots of drops, lots of days. 

 

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Originally Posted by skieroutwest View Post

Davluri is either an idiot or a lousy skier who wouldn't know a good ski if it was strapped on his boots.  All my friends at Squaw Valley love their Ski Logiks no matter what the cut.  These are pro's and retired racers who could probably outski davluri on one ski logik ski when he is on two. Ha - what a joke!

Be kind to Davluri.  His words sounded like they were written during a drinking binge that led to a classic Mel Gibson drunken stupor. Instead of ranting at police officers (like Mel), he ranted at me because the skis represent what he is not.  It is OK since this is an Internet forum where stuff like this happes.  Besides, I have pity on the guy for embarrassing himself like that.

 

We all know most people don't "hate" skis anymore, but simply have personal preferences.   He writes, "Personally I will hate on it for several reasons...".  Of course he will "hate on it."   He will "hate on it" thinking a pair will someday be on the restaurant wall at a resort where he cannot afford to dine.  He will "hate on" the marquetry that most people believe is beautiful because it represents the individualism and appreciation of art that he somehow finds offensive.  I guess in his mind real skiers shouldn't enjoy owning skis that are works of art.  Speaking of "Real Skiers,"  he will "hate on" the major ski magazines and Internet sites that like the performance of certain Ski Logik models, because anyone or forum disagreeing with him must be a "pathetic excuse for knowledge of skis..."  (I imagine Harb can out ski him too, but that is another matter).  He will make things up, suggesting the protective Clear Iron has changed and that the marquetry is cheap.  After all, if you are going to "hate on" something you shouldn't let facts get in the way.  Obviously, he will  "hate on" me, calling me "vain."  Note:  I unfortunately don't have the time for vanity constantly thinking about a household with serious medical issues and how to pay for them. This is why I don't have the time to "hate on" Davluri. 

 

Skieroutwest and DudeAbieds, forget about the guy. When I do have time to ski, it is usually with the kids on the south shore.  Perhaps we'll all carve a few turns together some day.

post #48 of 53

Well said - I couldn't have put it better.

post #49 of 53

Hey guys,

 

Skied the Ski Logik Howitzers in Niseko this year whilst my brother was on the Ullrs TT.  The conditions were pretty good, a few nights with 50cm of snow overnight, and we both loved the skis we were on.  Was just wondering if anyone has skied both (wish I had of know) and how they compare (mainly in powder), obviously the Ullrs TT is a better on piste ski, but wondering what the difference is in powder (how much better the Howitzer is, if it is?).  Obviously the howitzer is wider under foot, but the Ullrs has much wider tips.  Any advice as too how they handle the pow would be appreciated.

post #50 of 53

I own the UC TT (reportedly a big difference between that and the flat tail version) and the Rock Star.  The Howitzer and the Rock Star are rockered, so they are going to be much easier in powder (good reviews on Realskiers.com and some on EPICSKI), particularly in the 20"/50cm you were skiing.   The Rock Stars are ridiculously easy to ski in powder, with the UC's being good in almost any condition with the advantage of being fairly fat (101mm waist) so it floats OK in powder.  The Howitzer is in between the two, and you can easily see the design difference on the SKI LOGIK website. I am glad you had powder to ski in.

post #51 of 53

I also skied at Niseko this year, in fact just got back a week ago. Demo'ed the Ullr's Chariot flat-tail version, swapped them out after one day for Rossi S7s - much better in the pow - and then swapped those out for Rockstars. I'm 180cm, 84kg, 52 years old. We were skiing the trees all week at Niseko and then for one glorious day at Rusutsu with lots of untracked thigh-deep pow off-piste. Basically all I can say is that the Rockstars were brilliant. My friend took over the Rossis and he loved them, but I was happier with the Rockstars.

 

I might just add that I spent one day of that week on my own brand-new Kästle MX83s and I found them very tough going in the deep stuff. I suppose that shouldn't have been any surprise.

 

I'd love to try the Chariot TTs, but given that I already own a pair of MX83s and that I'm not made of money, I would probably plump for the Rockstars as my second pair over the Chariots. They were simply awesome in powder. Not a lot of fun on the groomers though.

post #52 of 53

Best Ski Ever and I tired many all types of volkls, K2s, Atomics,.... Been sking for 42 years love to thorsh down from power to coppy to hard to moguls, trees, and these are the best by far. Versitile, fast, steady, very responsive, nice carvers. Its got it all.

post #53 of 53
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Originally Posted by ocarpo View Post
 

Hey guys,

 

Skied the Ski Logik Howitzers in Niseko this year whilst my brother was on the Ullrs TT.  The conditions were pretty good, a few nights with 50cm of snow overnight, and we both loved the skis we were on.  Was just wondering if anyone has skied both (wish I had of know) and how they compare (mainly in powder), obviously the Ullrs TT is a better on piste ski, but wondering what the difference is in powder (how much better the Howitzer is, if it is?).  Obviously the howitzer is wider under foot, but the Ullrs has much wider tips.  Any advice as too how they handle the pow would be appreciated.

Just seeing this now, I have skied both and own the Howitzers.  The UC TT's are a decent power ski, and excellent softer snow ski. They make a great all-arounder.  The Howitzers are an exceptional deep snow ski, credible soft snow ski.   I prefer the howitzers over the RockStars as well.  The rocker is far more modest and the feel is smoother and a bit more traditional.  It slays heavier crud, way better than the UC.

 

I just put some new adrenaline 16's on the Howitzers for this season so they are now my dedicated slack country ski.

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