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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Has anybody had experience with having the legs shortened on Gore Tex pants, (shell). I need a "short" inseam, but regular rise. The tailors around here just can't understand about the importance of keeping the pants waterproof. What do you tell them? Is there some sort of instructions about taping the "new" seem?

post #2 of 24

Contact the Patagonia shops in NYC and ask where they outsource repairs to.

 

Gore pants can be shortened by the Patagonia repair department up to 4 inches.  Of course, they need to be Patagonia.  But, many of the shops in far off metro areas (the patagonia repairs dept is in the warehouse in Reno) will outsource repairs to local tailors.  

 

Perhaps they do alterations as well.  

post #3 of 24

You might also try asking REI.

post #4 of 24

I find it a little bit ironically twisted that a poster with the initials CB is posting this question.

post #5 of 24

All they are doing is changing the cuff, right?  or is there a zipper involved or drawstring?  If this is just a straightforward changing the cuff, just get some seam seal and seal the new stitching after the alteration.  I made my own bivy sack from Gore-tex material, used seam seal on the stitching and it has never leaked.  Something like this is not rocket science and even if the stitching leaks the location makes it a "so what."

 

CB Sports irony.gif

post #6 of 24

Yea, a cuff? there's not really much importance of waterproofing the end of your pants anyway.

 

If you are OCD, and it does leak more to your liking, just seal it with some type of sealant or glue.  

The selling point of goretex is waterproof+breathable.  

 

It's pretty easy to make something completely waterproof,  losing a couple square inches of breathable-ness at the cuff of your pants isn't going make a difference (especially since it's open to the air anyway.

 

post #7 of 24

If all they're doing is shortening the legs at the bottom (cuff), you'll never notice whether or not a seam 2 inches above your boot tops is waterproof. 

 

In my experience a GOOD tailor will have no problem shortening them zippers, powder cuffs, and all. 

post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by garylk View Post

If all they're doing is shortening the legs at the bottom (cuff), you'll never notice whether or not a seam 2 inches above your boot tops is waterproof. 

 

In my experience a GOOD tailor will have no problem shortening them zippers, powder cuffs, and all. 


The thing is that most of the shells available have a cuff that contains a short zipper, (~8" or so), that accomodates the boot buckles. Tailors want to take the "shortening" piece out of the leg just above that zipper, I assume for a couple of reasons: shortening the zipper would make it nearly useless at those lengths and it's just plain easier to take the hunk out above the cuff. This would leave a possible leak just above the boottop, which could become a problem in deep snow.

 

From the factory, the garments are "taped" and sealed. I'm not going to have any luck getting re-taping done, but maybe just turning the leg inside out and using seam sealer on the new

joint, (stiches), will work? Where does one get that sealer stuff?

 

Thanks all!

CB (yeah, real ironic for this thread)
 

 

post #9 of 24

Curious why you need to do this, given that a lot of freeskiers and most boarders wear pants with long in-seams, just let 'em fold/crumple/break. I mean, as long as the waist and crotch fit, why worry about a few inches more or less on the way down?

post #10 of 24


I see what you mean about the zippers - I've always liked pants that have zippers running the entire length of the leg so shortening them is no big deal.

 

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Curious why you need to do this, given that a lot of freeskiers and most boarders wear pants with long in-seams, just let 'em fold/crumple/break. I mean, as long as the waist and crotch fit, why worry about a few inches more or less on the way down?


 

A couple of inches too long is no big deal, but if you've got short legs and need a Large, we're talking at 6 inches of extra length (based on the scraps the tailor gave back to me) and that's just too long; I've tried. You invariably step on them when you're walking around, they get in the way when you step into your bindings, etc., and if you fold/cuff them, they catch a ton of snow.

 

I know some manufacturers make their pants in a Short (Marker and Patagonia are two that I know), but they're hard to find, especially when you don't want to pay full retail.

 

 

post #11 of 24

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Originally Posted by garylk View Post

A couple of inches too long is no big deal, but if you've got short legs and need a Large, we're talking at 6 inches of extra length (based on the scraps the tailor gave back to me) and that's just too long; I've tried. You invariably step on them when you're walking around, they get in the way when you step into your bindings, etc., and if you fold/cuff them, they catch a ton of snow.

 

I know some manufacturers make their pants in a Short (Marker and Patagonia are two that I know), but they're hard to find, especially when you don't want to pay full retail.


 

I'm highly sympathetic.  I'm 5'8" (just) and 175.  Probably chubbier than I could be, but in good shape and athletic.  Just the short and stocky type.  No amount of dieting is going to put me in a small, which might yield the right inseam.

 

I've actually thought about starting a clothing company for guys like me: S W Apparel (for Short and Wide).

post #12 of 24

Are you buying new pants or shortening old ones? There are a few mfgs that sell 'short' options for their pants. I know Arcteryx does this for some models, so does Patagucci if I recall correctly. Also, there's a thread on TGR right now about Freeride Systems making pants with custom inseams: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/234152-Poll-Would-you-purchase-custom-waist-inseam-fabric-ski-ride-pants

post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 

I've got a pair of Arctryx short inseam shells now. They're great EXCEPT for the rise; they can be a bit "uncomfortable" in the crotch, if you get my drift. Sometimes you can take a "hit" that'll leave you breathlesseek.gif. I'm 5'8",168 lb, (and mid 60's, don't want to look like teenager biggrin.gif).

 

I need a regular rise with a shorter inseam, (30"). I'm thinking that the seam sealer may work for a seam down near the boot top. Any suggestions on a brand that works well?

 

 

post #14 of 24

I used McNett's Aquaseal on some repairs I did to pants over the summer. It has held up really well. Got it on Amazon.

post #15 of 24

I am of short stature and need a short inseam pant (i.e., 28") to avoid the bunching-up-at-knees or pants-bottoms-getting-caught-in-the-bindings issues.  However, I've always steered cleared of getting my pants shortened due to all of the issues discussed (dealing with the zipper, seam sealing, ensuring that the length of the snow cuff and abrasion patch is maintained, etc.).  In fact, my wife modifies many of our clothes because we are both of a difficult-to-fit body type, but believes that the shortening of ski pants is a "bridge too far". 

 

Fortunately many major brands (Arcteryx, Mountain Hardwear, Patagucci, Spyder, TNF) have always offered some models in a short inseam size which have worked for us. BUT NOT THIS SEASON (2012 - 2013)frown.gif.  It seems that, due to the ski gear sales implosion last year, the manufacturers have scaled way back on the number of SKU's that they are offering, and one of the big victims is the short inseam - only Mountain Hardwear & Spyder are still offering such an option this year, and it is very slim pickings even from them!  I prefer pants with suspenders and tried Mt. Hardwear's "Drystein" pants but they really screwed up on the cut of this new model (with my 29" waist the waist/bib sizing of even the medium is so tight in the upper waist area that it constricts my breathing, while the hip/butt/quad area has room for the addition of a couple of poodlesnonono2.gif).  That leaves one model from Spyder (the Dare "Tailored Fit"), which ain't quite my type of pant but will have to do given that my TNF's are falling apart. 

 

Oh Well!icon13.gif

post #16 of 24

Check out these

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=688

and these

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=86

Various lengths, Gore-Tex construction and well made in Canada so hopefully no duty going to US.

Phone them and tell them what you need.

post #17 of 24
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Check out these

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=688

and these

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=86

Various lengths, Gore-Tex construction and well made in Canada so hopefully no duty going to US.

Phone them and tell them what you need.

Well I'll be damned - I've been searching the internet every possible way and never came across these.  Thanks - they look great, are the kind of design I like, and if only they had a cargo/thigh pocket or two I would say that they seem perfect (and at a killer price vs. similar products from Arcteryx, Mt. Hardwear, TNF, etc.).  Will evaluate these against the Spyders I have on order since they come with a thigh/cargo pocket but are otherwise not the design I like - heck it may just be better to get the Taiga's and find another way to carry the stuff I usually like to put in a cargo/thigh pocket.icon14.gif


Edited by ski-ra - 10/21/12 at 9:24am
post #18 of 24

ski-ra

As long as you're looking at Taiga, I can personally recommend their 300 wt. Polarfleece Sport Deluxe jacket. Very warm and has this amazing extra high collar that comes up to the bottom of my ears. I ski in a very windy, very cold place (Castle Alberta) and it seals me up tight for the often brutal chairlift ride. It's also relatively cheap @ $100. Only problem is it might be long on you in the arms and body but take a look.

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=106

post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Castle Dave View Post

ski-ra

As long as you're looking at Taiga, I can personally recommend their 300 wt. Polarfleece Sport Deluxe jacket. Very warm and has this amazing extra high collar that comes up to the bottom of my ears. I ski in a very windy, very cold place (Castle Alberta) and it seals me up tight for the often brutal chairlift ride. It's also relatively cheap @ $100. Only problem is it might be long on you in the arms and body but take a look.

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=106

Thanks, but I'm just looking pants (and I don't have the same challenge finding jackets - any small usually fits)!

post #20 of 24

Just a heads up on the Taiga pants.   They fit great and they are really nice, except the velcro cinches on the lower leg suck.  Snow attaches itself to the velcro, adds weight and increases drag on powder days.  Nice pants, but the the cinches were a lousy idea IMHO.

 

Obermeyer also as some pants available in short.

post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

Just a heads up on the Taiga pants.   They fit great and they are really nice, except the velcro cinches on the lower leg suck.  Snow attaches itself to the velcro, adds weight and increases drag on powder days.  Nice pants, but the the cinches were a lousy idea IMHO.

 

Obermeyer also as some pants available in short.

Thanks for the heads-up on the velcro, but I do have some similar velcro adjustments on my current TNF pants (just at the hem) and it's never been a problem - could be a bit different.

 

I looked at Obermeyer, but I want pants with suspenders...keep the tips coming!

post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post

Has anybody had experience with having the legs shortened on Gore Tex pants, (shell). I need a "short" inseam, but regular rise. The tailors around here just can't understand about the importance of keeping the pants waterproof. What do you tell them? Is there some sort of instructions about taping the "new" seem?

 

As far a a hem or something along those lines - try an outdoor shop that typically does this type of work.  I go to Eastern Mountain Sports (EMS) for this type of work and they've been great.  They have worked on a Goretex jacket for me but not pants.  They did shorten a Rab softshell in the sleeves and it came out great.  With Rab, the only affect on the warranty was they won't warranty what has been worked on by anyone other than them, but everything else is still covered (Lifetime warranty).

 

Two years ago I need to get a pair of "Short and Chubby" and bought an Obermyer Large/Short; fit great.  They were fairly baggy in the legs though.  Last season I had all the "extra" material in the leg taken in at a regular seamstress (no issues but they aren't gore tex).  I haven't had any snowpants hemmed as all of mine have side zippers (two knee braces).

 

I agree with you don't really need the pant cuff all that water proof as it can just go under and inside.

 

I know that Patagonia will hem them after you buy them, try them on and then tell them how much to hem. Forget Helly Hansen.  Nice stuff but even their X/Small has a 32" inseam and Medium and Large are 34"!  They do not offer a Long or Short.

 

After fighting this for a couple years, I decided it was easier to loose weight smile.gif

post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post

As far a a hem or something along those lines - try an outdoor shop that typically does this type of work.  I go to Eastern Mountain Sports (EMS) for this type of work and they've been great.  They have worked on a Goretex jacket for me but not pants....

 

I know that Patagonia will hem them after you buy them, try them on and then tell them how much to hem....

 

I still believe that there's a big difference between shortening pants with side zips (you can't just shorten a zipper) vs. shortening nearly anything else and remain skeptical about this approach (though as has been pointed out, the potential impact of waterproofing at the bottom of the pants wouldn't scare me off).  OTOH - I would take Patagucci up on this supposed offer to shorten any pants I buy from them but the question is does anyone know what they charge for this service?  I guess I could contact them but I'm not prepared to shell out the astronomical $599 they want for their suspendered/waterproof ski pants that best fit my needs...and then to possibly (or not) pay even more to get them shortenedeek.gif.

post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by ski-ra View Post

....I would take Patagucci up on this supposed offer to shorten any pants I buy from them but the question is does anyone know what they charge for this service?  I guess I could contact them but I'm not prepared to shell out the astronomical $599 they want for their suspendered/waterproof ski pants that best fit my needs...and then to possibly (or not) pay even more to get them shortenedeek.gif.

An update on Patagucci's pant's shortening "program" that shows that it has some merit (contrary to my skepticism above).  They quoted me $55 to do it for the PowSlayer bibs, which seems reasonable and realistic.  "Realistic" because these pants don't have side zippers that go below the knees, so only "material" needs to be removed (vs. dealing with zippers that would need to be somehow shortened).  They also assured me that they don't just shorten the pants from the hem up so that you end up with x" less scuff guard and snow gaiter (the latter could become constraining given that ski boots are the same height even for short people).  OTOH I didn't go so far as asking about whether they then re-seal/tape the seams involved (i.e., the seam that they will cut is just below the knee so this does make me concerned about ensuring that the waterproof integrity of these seams are retained).

 

Now all I have to do is find one of these pants for far less than the $599 list price and I may see how it goes (I've seen 'em on eBay for under $400 but not in a small)....

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