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post #31 of 177
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Is the g power line gone ?



No, there is a new 68mm waisted ski to replace the Supersonic, plus a "Power" model.  I have the dimensions/names at the shop.  Since the Supersonic was one of my favorite skis, I am excited to try it.  After the dry spell this year and last year, I am glad I added a carver back into the quiver.  Skiing boilerplate on a carver the past 6 weeks made me a better skier than I was before; the new snow we skied the past few days proved it.   

post #32 of 177
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So, the 8.7magnum is gone?

What's the shape of the 8.5? Early tip rise with normal camber underfoot?



Flipcore, so low early rise tip and tail.  Less than the Bushwacker, somewhat similar to the RTM84 from Volkl.

post #33 of 177
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I'll infer the 8.0 CA version isn't as stiff as the TI so the better choice for 140lb'ers like me. Having skied them would you say that's a moot point with the TI version by virtue of its flip core design, so a ok choice with better hard snow performance for advanced lightweight skiers?

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Is that a "IQ" slider built into the 7.6 and if so is it also Flip Core like the 8.5/8.0 series?
 

 


Since I didn't try the CA, it would be hard to say. My experience with the CA models in the Nordica line, FWIW (same company, somewhat similar skis), were that they were more suited to bumps and lighter skiers, for sure. But, the new Flipcore 80/85 ti stuff is pretty forgiving (in soft snow at least) so the CA may be more just suited to cruising and lower energy skiing. It will be interesting to try the 8.0 and 8.5 in hard snow vs. the new 68.  I really hope the 80 matches the 68's performance, relatively speaking, in terms of grip and power. 

 

post #34 of 177

Might as well chime in

 

Gunsmoke.  Yup it has some camber though really not that much.  Some of the very first ones had a little more than some of the others.  Should be less than the Bushwacker.  Has more rocker than the other Flipcore skis.  Only metal is under the binding for mounting.  A few people skied this today  at the OR demo and really liked it.  Don't make any assumptions based on dims and rocker profiles.  It needs to be skied (hopefully soon in pow).  The word is very very playful yet stable.

 

Yes a whole Flipcore twin series would have been nice but monetarily it wasn't in the cards this year unfortunately.   One more year.....

 

Kabookie - Bonafide without metal.  More of a lighter touring ski.  Has more fiberglass than the Bushwacker so it'll be stiffer than Bush.

 

New Magnums have a similar rocker/camber profile to the Bonafide but with less rocker.  No more IQ in the 8.0 and 8.5.  They are stupid easy to ski with all the edge grip of 8.1 and 8.7.  Very positive feedback on these so far.   Same lengths as the 8.7 and 8.1.  There will be an M-Power version of the 8.5.    8.0 CA isn't necessarily softer than the TI but it will feel different due to the difference in fiberglass construction skis versus metal construction' CA will be more snappy where as TI will me more damp.  Not overly damp.  TI will be better on hard snow as it will be slightly more torsionally stiff.   

 

No more G-Power or G-Force line in the US.  SLR, GSR, R-Power and S-Power all come back.

 

Samba is Bonafide without metal (similar to Kabookie) 173,166,159

Dakota is Cochise without as much fiberglass so it's a bit softer but still has metal 177,170

 

Cochise and Bodacious get an additional size.  170 in the Cochise and 176 in Bodacious.

 

I haven't skied anything and I don't think I will til March as my leg hasn't healed yet.

post #35 of 177

So, Samba is Kabookie with different sizing?  My wife is due for a new pair of skis soon....  rolleyes.gif

post #36 of 177

Phil,

Did you heard anything about their race skis?

post #37 of 177
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Phil,

Did you heard anything about their race skis?



Race skis are unchanged for next season. Including graphics. 

post #38 of 177

Kabookie sounds very intriguing as a possible AT ski.  Any of those going to be at Start Haus for demo purposes any time soon?

post #39 of 177
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So, Samba is Kabookie with different sizing?  My wife is due for a new pair of skis soon....  rolleyes.gif


Taking orders now. 

 


 

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Kabookie sounds very intriguing as a possible AT ski.  Any of those going to be at Start Haus for demo purposes any time soon?


We will have demos by The Gathering. As far as demos's for the Kabookie...that, I cannot promise. I will say after skiing it, it will make a fine AT ski, hard snow performance in just percentages less than the Bonafide and the lightness will be percentages better off piste. 

 

post #40 of 177
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A local Blizzard rep told me at ABasin last summer (heh, I like saying that) that they were not bringing back the One/Crush/etc for 2013, so I think you are correct.



I usually am biggrin.gif


 

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Bonafide is the same ski as last year with the same amount of metal. The Kibuki (sp?) has the same dimensions with less metal, think if it as a Bushwacker  with Bonafide dimensions, dare I say a "Bonewacker". 

 

RE: the Bushwacker with metal..the Magnum 8.5 is almost that ski, think of the Bushwacker going to the gym working out on P90X and slimming down to a svelte 85mm. 


Except about this. redface.gif

At least I remembered a 98 flip core with less metal.

 

post #41 of 177

2013 Magnum 8.5

 

I just skied the Magnum series yesterday along with the Gunsmoke and Dakota. Since the conditions @ Squaw were very firm, I’ll focus on the Magnums with particular emphasis on the 8.5 Ti.

 

While this is the replacement series for the current Mag 8.7 and Mag 8.1, they are very different skis. The current Mags have been around for some time and have a strong following across the country. The current models are wide enough to be considered mid-fats at least in the East and with the slight tip rocker, they are more forgiving than in the past. Nevertheless the 8.1 and 8.7 are best known for amazing edge grip and a powerful turn finish from the tails.

 

The new Mag 8.5 falls in the same width ballpark but is built on a flat deck structure that utilizes the “Flipcore” build of the Freemountain series. These are lighter skis than the past variants and have a medium-firm flex that is balanced along the length of the ski. Although modest tip rocker and minimalist tail rocker is present, it is unobtrusive and blends completely into the longitudinal flex. What I mean by this is that when you flex the ski, you cannot really see where the rockered sections are. They basically blend seamlessly into the overall curve. This is a hallmark of the flipcore build and explains much of the overall character of many of these skis.

 

My first run on the Mag 8.5 was on the 181 length and at least on the current Mag 8.7, this would be a lot of ski. The new 8.5 is much more nimble feeling and more maneuverable in short-medium turns. When the speed and edge angles pick up, the 8.5 has even superior dampening when compared to the older version. At the turn finish, the 8.5 does not have quite the same feel of being locked on a rail that the 8.1 and 8.5 did. The benefit though is far more flexibility in turn shape and speed range. At one point, I had to quickly break off a pretty high speed GS turn in order to miss a skier that made an unanticipated turn in front of me. The 8.5 broke off comfortably and I was able to butter down the speed very easily. The stiffer and flatter tails of the older skis would not have allowed this maneuver as readily.

 

While I tended to categorize the older versions of the Mag series as hard snow biased skis, that distinction is a little less clear for this new model. The new Mag 8.5 has far more turn shapes in it’s repertoire, is going to be usable over a wider range of skier ability and as a guess, I think will be better in shallow mixed snow conditions. This ski is very good on hard snow for sure but I think it will do far more as well.

 

SJ

post #42 of 177

Sold me, now where is it dammit!  Seriously though, this will be a great all around "dry spell" ski for me. I could really use it now that I am restricted to groomers.  I would imagine it a fun ski in a few inches of fresh and on bumps too.   Looking forward to demoing.   thanks SJ

post #43 of 177

SJ, you can imagine, I was anxiously anticipating the Blizzard Preview day(s) and am bummed that I had to miss it.  

I think, by your post, that the Viva 8.0 may be my new front side ski.  Do you see any reason to go narrower with that for ski teaching?

 

post #44 of 177

If you happen to have one available for demo the first week of February, let me know, as I'll be in Northstar / Truckee all week.  (that or I'll check out the wailer 99)
 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

We will have demos by The Gathering. As far as demos's for the Kabookie...that, I cannot promise. I will say after skiing it, it will make a fine AT ski, hard snow performance in just percentages less than the Bonafide and the lightness will be percentages better off piste. 

 



 

post #45 of 177

Thanks dawg, phil, wasatch and sj for the prelim info. The way this season is going i may just rent demo's for the remainder and if i don't pick up a end of year close out deal on a current 80mm - 88mm all Mt., the 8.0 or 8.5 will be at the top of a next years short list.
 

post #46 of 177

The Gunsmoke and Kabookie are a great addition to the Blizzard lineup for lighter weight people who want a more forgiving ski than the Bodacious and Bonafide. They'll also be great for those trying to shave weight in the backcountry and, along with the new Tecnica Cochise Pro boots, offer a versatile inbounds/outofbounds quiver so you won't have to go broke in the process.

 

The Gunsmoke has a great combo of rocker and camber I found out while railing the groomers yesterday at Squaw. Perfect for those who will be using them at resorts 99% of the time- you won't feel like you need to change skis after the pow has been skied off. And when its time to hike, you'll appreciate the weight savings. I love my 196 Bodacious skis, but they're not for everybody. The Gunsmoke should appeal to a larger demographic.

 

When the spring corn season arrives, add a set of Dynafits to the Kabookie and Tecnica Cochise Pro light and you'll be lapping the backcountry peaks all day long. A versatile, lightweight combo that will be great for long approaches, multi-day tours, and hut trips- or just leaving your friends in the dust on short excursions. Blizz/Tec is taking away all your excuses for not getting out there...

post #47 of 177

Blizzi is definitely rolling!  They are like the Forty Niners with everything clicking right now (sorry for the shameless plug).  The Magnum series seems like a really nice option for no fresh/frontside skiing which I am very interested in.  As already mentioned, they are keeping their different lines simple and clean.  So many other manufacturers are doing the opposite, overlap across the board,and major tinkering every year with even proven skis (read Gotama).  Its nice to see someone being innovative and progressive yet having a clear direction in where their product is headed year over year.  The Bonafide is my first every Blizzi purchase, but I suspect it may be the first of many.

post #48 of 177
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Thanks dawg, phil, wasatch and sj for the prelim info. The way this season is going i may just rent demo's for the remainder and if i don't pick up a end of year close out deal on a current 80mm - 88mm all Mt., the 8.0 or 8.5 will be at the top of a next years short list.
 



You are welcome.  The new 8.5 is more versatile, but I got the feeling (on my short demo in softer snow) that I probably prefer the 8.1 for stronger skiers on hard snow, and the new 8.5 for more mixed conditions.  It reminded me more of an all-around powerful medium width ski, not so much a wide carver, more akin to how the Kastle FX84 skis.  After that short demo, I am leaning toward the 8.1 for more precise front side use, so it really depends on what you are looking for.  I have always really liked the 8.1 for a frontside power carver, and undoubtedly the new 8.0/8.5 is better in bumps and soft snow than the 8.1 ever was.  According to our rep, he said that the industry in general is moving away from powerful skis; there just aren't that many skilled enough skiers who can really make them do what they are designed to do.  Obviously we are seeing that everywhere.  Like he said: "frankly speaking, most skiers aren't skiing the skis well, and are going to be better served with something more forgiving and not quite as powerful.  Our goal is to get forgiveness and skid-ability up there as high as we can w/o losing much top end".   That is the challenge with every ski company, because in the end, the really good skiers who need that top end are few and far between, whether they are selling front side near-race machines, or deep snow big mountain skis.  The retail-paying customer is probably skiing 10 days a year, and likely cruising groomers on holidays with their kids.  They need something easy and forgiving that holds an edge well, is moderately stable, easy to ski, and doesn't bounce them around in rough snow. 

post #49 of 177
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You are welcome.  The new 8.5 is more versatile, but I got the feeling (on my short demo in softer snow) that I probably prefer the 8.1 for stronger skiers on hard snow, and the new 8.5 for more mixed conditions.  It reminded me more of an all-around powerful medium width ski, not so much a wide carver, more akin to how the Kastle FX84 skis.  After that short demo, I am leaning toward the 8.1 for more precise front side use, so it really depends on what you are looking for.  I have always really liked the 8.1 for a frontside power carver, and undoubtedly the new 8.0/8.5 is better in bumps and soft snow than the 8.1 ever was.

 

 According to our rep, he said that the industry in general is moving away from powerful skis; there just aren't that many skilled enough skiers who can really make them do what they are designed to do.  Obviously we are seeing that everywhere.  Like he said: "frankly speaking, most skiers aren't skiing the skis well, and are going to be better served with something more forgiving and not quite as powerful.  Our goal is to get forgiveness and skid-ability up there as high as we can w/o losing much top end".   That is the challenge with every ski company, because in the end, the really good skiers who need that top end are few and far between, whether they are selling front side near-race machines, or deep snow big mountain skis.  The retail-paying customer is probably skiing 10 days a year, and likely cruising groomers on holidays with their kids.  They need something easy and forgiving that holds an edge well, is moderately stable, easy to ski, and doesn't bounce them around in rough snow. 

Thanks for the great write up.
Understandable yet disturbing.

So, I take it that means skis in general will have little tail kick if you want it out of the turn. That's the really great thing about the Kastle squared tailed skis I've tried. It's there if you want it. Now, could they do that in a twin tip?
 

 

post #50 of 177

I was just about to pull the trigger on a pair of 8.7's. I was thinking though: wouldn't it be great if there was a beefier Bushwacker? Then i read this thread and now i'm wondering if i should just tough it out on my pair of beat to death AC 4's until next season? Then buy the 2013 8.5? Why do these choices have to be so hard? rolleyes.gif

post #51 of 177
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Thanks for the great write up.
Understandable yet disturbing.

So, I take it that means skis in general will have little tail kick if you want it out of the turn. That's the really great thing about the Kastle squared tailed skis I've tried. It's there if you want it. Now, could they do that in a twin tip?
 

 


In general yes, but not entirely. Also, I think I'd say less but not little. There will be some powerhouse skis available but probably not as many as before. I'm starting to see a more clear distinction between hard snow frontside (say a mag 8.1) and versatile frontside (say the new flipcore magnums) There will be some of the former and plenty of examples of the latter. As always, the distinction won't be the waist width it will be the build and naturally, the choices either way will involve compromise.

 

SJ

 

post #52 of 177
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In general yes, but not entirely. Also, I think I'd say less but not little. There will be some powerhouse skis available but probably not as many as before. I'm starting to see a more clear distinction between hard snow frontside (say a mag 8.1) and versatile frontside (say the new flipcore magnums) There will be some of the former and plenty of examples of the latter. As always, the distinction won't be the waist width it will be the build and naturally, the choices either way will involve compromise.

 

SJ

 


You mean like the Sultan 85 from Dynastar?  That is a great ski, one of the original frontside all-mountain skis. I wonder why nobody talks about it anymore.

 

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how much damage in a name?  are you kidding me?!  wheww...rolleyes.gif

 

I'm mean it's crazy, but really?...Sultan: the sovereign of an Islamic nation. and that connects to skiing how?  I mean Kaiser perhaps...

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You mean like the Sultan 85 from Dynastar?  That is a great ski, one of the original frontside all-mountain skis. I wonder why nobody talks about it anymore.

 


 

 

post #54 of 177
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So, Samba is Kabookie with different sizing?  My wife is due for a new pair of skis soon....  rolleyes.gif

Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Taking orders now. 

Demos, man, demos... ;-)   She and I have totally different taste in skis and I can never guess right.  

post #55 of 177

The Gunsmoke looks like an obvious addition to the lineup, I was surprised that Blizzard didn't have a real powder ski, Bodacious looked really like a competition 30mph+ only ski, something I'd love to ski but could never justify owning.    Is the tip on the Gunsmoke early taper or the sam shape as the rest of flipcores?  

 

I am a bit confused on the whole Bonafide, Kabooki, and Samba business.  Why have 3 models at 98mm width?    

 

The 8.5 sounds like it will be just the ticket to an East Coaster or even to a Northstar groomer cruiser.  A good skier would probably want to have something narrower and more specialized for the frontside, especially if they have something else.

post #56 of 177

The Samba is easy, its the women's version of the Bonafide, the Kabooki is the touring version of the bonafide. 

Three different skiers for the market of each. 

 

post #57 of 177
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The 8.5 sounds like it will be just the ticket to an East Coaster or even to a Northstar groomer cruiser.  A good skier would probably want to have something narrower and more specialized for the frontside, especially if they have something else.



Blizzard 3 ski quiver...

 

Magnum 8.5Ti

Bonafide

Gunsmoke.

 

I could be very happy.

post #58 of 177

As a Blizzard owner I do not understand how they can consistently make products that are sold to adults that look like they were designed by school kids. I know that some folks like them but I think they are flat out UGLY - prior years and next year too. As long as they keep working so well I'll keep buying but I wish they had just a small sense of style.

post #59 of 177

I get the women's designation, although that looks like a sizing difference only.  But touring version?  It cannot be that different, can it? Of course I dont tour enough to appreciate it (and by the time you slap Dukes on them all the difference vanishes).  
 

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The Samba is easy, its the women's version of the Bonafide, the Kabooki is the touring version of the bonafide. 

Three different skiers for the market of each. 

 



 

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Planning to sell your DPS pair? 

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Blizzard 3 ski quiver...

 

Magnum 8.5Ti

Bonafide

Gunsmoke.

 

I could be very happy.



 

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