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post #151 of 177

I'm assuming the 8.5 mag will retail for at least 100 dollars more than the 8.0 mag, both without bindings?

 

If so, I have to ask, are you paying 100 bucks extra for 5 millimeters more of width?  (i.e. are the skis identical otherwise)?

 


 

 

Will these work with free-ride bindings such as the Griffon or Jester?

post #152 of 177
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I'm assuming the 8.5 mag will retail for at least 100 dollars more than the 8.0 mag, both without bindings?

 

If so, I have to ask, are you paying 100 bucks extra for 5 millimeters more of width?  (i.e. are the skis identical otherwise)?

 


 

 

Will these work with free-ride bindings such as the Griffon or Jester?


Depending on which 8.0 you're talking about.  IIRC, the 8.0Ti is about 50.00 below the 8.5, and the 8.0 Ca is about 150.00 below the 8.5.  

 

I'm going off my memory, which isn't always amazing.......at my age. wink.gif

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

As for bindings, they'll work with most any binding you want to put on them. 

 

 

 

post #153 of 177

MAP on the Mag 8.5 ti is $749

MAP on the Mag 8.0 ti is $699

MAP on the Mag 8.0 ca is $599

 

They are flat skis that accept any binding.

post #154 of 177

Bump to clarify about (gasp) Blizzies narrower than 80 mm. If there is no longer a G-Force or G-Power, then I take it there's no 72-73 mm carver filling the slot of the Supersonic? So the lineup will go from 68 mm up to ? Will there be the lower Magnums such as the 7.4 or 7.6? Or is the 8.0 the first ski after the S-Power/Force/whatever?

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If there is no longer a G-Force or G-Power, then I take it there's no 72-73 mm carver filling the slot of the Supersonic?



Yikes, suddenly I own a collector's item. Price has just gone up. Or maybe I'm just gonna keep filing 'til the edges are really gone.

post #156 of 177

It's my understanding that Blizzard is still poducing the G-Power - they're just not going to be bringing it into the U.S.

post #157 of 177
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Bump to clarify about (gasp) Blizzies narrower than 80 mm. If there is no longer a G-Force or G-Power, then I take it there's no 72-73 mm carver filling the slot of the Supersonic? So the lineup will go from 68 mm up to ? Will there be the lower Magnums such as the 7.4 or 7.6? Or is the 8.0 the first ski after the S-Power/Force/whatever?



It can still be ordered pre-season: it was on the order form.

 

I also heard Head won't be bringing the Supershape into the US either, next year.  

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post #158 of 177
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It can still be ordered pre-season: it was on the order form.

 

I also heard Head won't be bringing the Supershape into the US either, next year.  



That's okay, the retailers i know still have this years Supershapes on the shelf.

post #159 of 177
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I also heard Head won't be bringing the Supershape into the US either, next year.  


Are you sure about that?  I saw a pair of 2013 demos at a shop that shall remain nameless a couple of hours ago....

post #160 of 177
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Are you sure about that?  I saw a pair of 2013 demos at a shop that shall remain nameless a couple of hours ago....


Fun skis... wink.gif

 

post #161 of 177
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Fun skis... wink.gif


Heard that the Helldorados are too.  Looking forward to playing with both in the next couple of weeks.

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Heard that the Helldorados are too.  Looking forward to playing with both in the next couple of weeks.


Yupp... Gotta find some time to write it up...

 

post #163 of 177

Has anyone seen the new line of SL & GS skis?

post #164 of 177
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Has anyone seen the new line of SL & GS skis?



I have the dealer catalog and saw the skis at SIA.  

Will work on getting Epicski Product pages done for them soon. 

 

post #165 of 177

I too am concerned about what Blizzard will be doing for carving skis with the 72-73mm waist in the future.  Been following this as close as I can.  I have a carver now that I enjoy, the Volkl Tigershark 10ft (168cm).  I was thinking about replacing it in a couple of years with something like the Supersonic (which I've demo'ed and liked).

 

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Bump to clarify about (gasp) Blizzies narrower than 80 mm. If there is no longer a G-Force or G-Power, then I take it there's no 72-73 mm carver filling the slot of the Supersonic? So the lineup will go from 68 mm up to ? Will there be the lower Magnums such as the 7.4 or 7.6? Or is the 8.0 the first ski after the S-Power/Force/whatever?



 

post #166 of 177
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I too am concerned about what Blizzard will be doing for carving skis with the 72-73mm waist in the future.  Been following this as close as I can.  I have a carver now that I enjoy, the Volkl Tigershark 10ft (168cm).  I was thinking about replacing it in a couple of years with something like the Supersonic (which I've demo'ed and liked).

 



 


Check back in a couple of years.

 

SJ

 

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post #167 of 177

 

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Check back in a couple of years.

 

SJ

 

 

Jim - Thank you for taking time to respond to my post.  My interpretation of your reply is "In a couple of years Blizzard may bring some carving skis back to the U.S. market".  Thanks - that would be about the time I would be replacing the Tigersharks.  Dave

post #168 of 177

 

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Jim - Thank you for taking time to respond to my post.  My interpretation of your reply is "In a couple of years Blizzard may bring some carving skis back to the U.S. market".  Thanks - that would be about the time I would be replacing the Tigersharks.  Dave

 

You're welcome but this is intended as a bit of a slap with a 2x4. Yes....they (Blizzard) may. Then again, they may not. However, it's a fair bet that someone will. The whole premise of asking now what to replace your current ski with in two years is way far beyond silly. No one......(not even me in my Carnac suit) can tell you for sure, or realistically even maybe what will will be available in the realm of ski technology two years form now. Blizzard is not taking their carving skis off the market right now. What they or anyone else is going to offer two years from now is more a marketing question. The technology is already done. Check back when you are ready to buy.

 

SJ


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post #169 of 177

 

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You're welcome but this is intended as a bit of a slap with a 2x4. Yes....they (Blizzard) may. Then again, they may not. However, it's a fair bet that someone will. The whole premise of asking now what to replace your current ski with in two years is way far beyond silly. No one......(not even me in my Carnac suit) can tell you for sure, or realistically even maybe what will will be available in the realm of ski technology two years form now. Blizzard is not taking their carving skis off the market right now. What they or anyone else is going to offer two years from now is more a marketing question. The technology is already done. Check back when you are ready to buy.

 

SJ

 

Dave86, you also have to understand that Jim is a retailer. I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect him to be able to take that hat off entirely, even though, to his credit, he does a good job at trying to much of time. If you're a car salesman, and someone walks into your showroom a couple of times and starts bending your ear about models and features and then says he's not buying for two years, your inclination is to tell him to beat it and come back when he has money in his pocket.

 

Meanwhile there are those of us who can identify with the occasional bit of completely idle materialist speculation here and there about the future state of our quivers. Since this is an open forum, not a private business, I think that's okay, even if not wildly productive. My two cents.

post #170 of 177

Not at all about buying now or later nor about who he's considering buying from. Simply about that speculation that is just not even close to productive or even meaningful

 

 

SJ

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post #171 of 177

I recently bought a pair of 2013 Bonafides and am questioning if there is a difference between the 2012 version and 2013 version.

Reading on here, everyone says that they are the same.....but.....

Dimensions on the web for the 2012 was 135/98/118.

On my 187s, the sizing written is 133/98/118.

 

Regarding how they perform compared to the 2012 skis, I am not sure, I only demo'd the 2012 skis once.

I think the 2013's might be a bit stiffer, but that might have been the conditions when I demo'd the 2012s making them feel softer.

 

Anyway, any input on if the 2013's are diff from the 2012's...........or was it just some random number change and no change in skis?

 

Thanks,

John

post #172 of 177

 

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I recently bought a pair of 2013 Bonafides and am questioning if there is a difference between the 2012 version and 2013 version.

Reading on here, everyone says that they are the same.....but.....

Dimensions on the web for the 2012 was 135/98/118.

On my 187s, the sizing written is 133/98/118.

 

Regarding how they perform compared to the 2012 skis, I am not sure, I only demo'd the 2012 skis once.

I think the 2013's might be a bit stiffer, but that might have been the conditions when I demo'd the 2012s making them feel softer.

 

Anyway, any input on if the 2013's are diff from the 2012's...........or was it just some random number change and no change in skis?

 

Thanks,

John

 

Do you mind sharing the price you paid? I`m curious because I`m seeing some online shops selling some of the skis for what is supposed to be the MSRP, but they are bumping the price and then selling for MSRP as sale price. Like bump the Bonafide price to say $900 and then selling for $699 as sale or early season deal. I`m even seeing some prices for 2012 Blizzard skis higher than what you can get on blizzard website, which is weird, and that actually seems to be common among many online stores.

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Originally Posted by John1975 View Post

I recently bought a pair of 2013 Bonafides and am questioning if there is a difference between the 2012 version and 2013 version.

Reading on here, everyone says that they are the same.....but.....

Dimensions on the web for the 2012 was 135/98/118.

On my 187s, the sizing written is 133/98/118.

 

Regarding how they perform compared to the 2012 skis, I am not sure, I only demo'd the 2012 skis once.

I think the 2013's might be a bit stiffer, but that might have been the conditions when I demo'd the 2012s making them feel softer.

 

Anyway, any input on if the 2013's are diff from the 2012's...........or was it just some random number change and no change in skis?

 

Thanks,

John

I believe that it's either a typo in their literature or a slight difference in where the measurement on the ski is, but they are the same. 

I'm sure that Phil or someone else who has access to both pair will confirm. 

 

 

post #174 of 177

 

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Originally Posted by John1975 View Post

I recently bought a pair of 2013 Bonafides and am questioning if there is a difference between the 2012 version and 2013 version.

Reading on here, everyone says that they are the same.....but.....

Dimensions on the web for the 2012 was 135/98/118.

On my 187s, the sizing written is 133/98/118.

 

Regarding how they perform compared to the 2012 skis, I am not sure, I only demo'd the 2012 skis once.

I think the 2013's might be a bit stiffer, but that might have been the conditions when I demo'd the 2012s making them feel softer.

 

Anyway, any input on if the 2013's are diff from the 2012's...........or was it just some random number change and no change in skis?

 

Thanks,

John

 


At least on some models (the Supersonic, for sure), Blizzard is one of those companies, like Atomic, that adjusts the exact dimensions by length. So the 180 might not have the exact same stats as the 187, for example. When this is in play, it's very obvious in a shop that has the same model in stock in different lengths, by reading the dimensions printed on the topsheets. My understanding is that this is done in an attempt to prevent a situation where a given model ends up with a short radius in its shortest size and a long radius in its longest size.

post #175 of 177

@mfa81

Because I bought skis, bindings, boots all under the same order, I was quite a bit below msrp for everything combined. In fact, after purchasing, I checked internet "sale" prices and was below anything I could find.

 

Check your local stores, sometimes they will give you an amazing deal.

post #176 of 177
I agree with check local ski shop.I find the best deals local and buy on line if i caint find it at home.
I also want to support local guy because he will take care of me with advice and gear issues.
I buy my skis now and fair much better $ local than anyplace i checked on line
post #177 of 177

 

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At least on some models (the Supersonic, for sure), Blizzard is one of those companies, like Atomic, that adjusts the exact dimensions by length. So the 180 might not have the exact same stats as the 187, for example. When this is in play, it's very obvious in a shop that has the same model in stock in different lengths, by reading the dimensions printed on the topsheets. My understanding is that this is done in an attempt to prevent a situation where a given model ends up with a short radius in its shortest size and a long radius in its longest size.

 

My 2013, 180cm Bonafides are 133/98/118. I don't know the tip width of the 2012, but I have about a dozen days each on both year's ski and did not notice any difference in how they ski. Having said that, different terrain and conditions on different days would likely have a greater bearing on how a ski felt than 2mm tip width difference.

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