Originally Posted by flygirl
If you think that Kjus is strictly "resort wear" and is directed at the same demographic as Bogner, etc, you couldn't be more incorrect. The '12-'13 collection has jackets using Dermizax NX, the 3rd generation of Dermizax. The only other manufacturer to use it is Bergans of Norway, which has been respected for their outdoor gear for many years. I notice that most of the posters in this thread are men.I am not a guy. Kjus has been able to combine both fashion and function, and most of the luxury ski wear manufacturers sacrifice function for fashion. I'm not saying that is necessarily a bad thing. It depends on your needs. But I wouldn't have a problem wearing one of the new Dermizax NX laminate jackets with a water resistance of 40,000mm for heli or cat skiing. Arc'teryx is 20,000mm I could ski in a hurricane in one of the new Kjus jackets and stay dry and warm. Used one in Taos Ski Valley in January, with very little layering at minus 15, and I was HOT. And yes, I like looking good on the hill and off. And guys, women like men who look good too. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure that this same conversation was made back in the day when people wore their wool hunting clothing. Then Bogner came along and changed ski fashion forever with the stretch pant. That was in 1947. I'm sure that the guys in their woolies made fun of the Bogner stretch pant crowd, even if they didn't call them gapers. So get with it guys! Looking good, doesn't always mean that you have to sacrifice function. I am a person who loves fashion and I am also a high level skier. TSV is known for their steeps and hiking. That is where I ski. I've been skiing for 52 years, and my first boots were leather laceup Henke's. I also remember the days when if you didn't use long thongs instead of safety straps, then you were a gaper. All long thongs ever did was break skier's legs. And yes, I used long thongs and didn't break my leg, fortunately). There will always be these ridiculous allegations as to what is necessary to be a "real skier". Have you all forgotten about having fun? Isn't that the whole idea? Looking good and wanting to be fashionable is part of the fun. Maybe you should try it sometime?:} I think I have the credentials to post on here and know what I'm talking about.
Gawd, for the love of understandability, would a paragraph be too much to ask?
First, Arcteryx is waterproof. Saying it's 20k (btw, that's wrong) vs 40k is like saying your car can go 202mph, versus mine at 200. BFD. Waterproof be waterproof.
One person's "fashionwear" is another's gaperwear. I'm not really concerned about looking "fashionable" being FAR more concerned with functionality and comfort, which the Kjus is marginal - try to put a point-and-shoot camera in those "oh so fashionable Formula pants" good luck, not doable - but, of course you look so fashionable . I'd rather take pictures of family and friends on the hill than look fashionable, and prance around for the benefit of the other gender but hey, that's just me.
The Formula jacket is very nice, with many nice features, and very nice build quality. However, it's also heavier than hell, being (at least) twice what my Atom and Beta AR weigh. If you want all the "bells and whistles", it's got them all (and, of course it's fashionable), but it also screams "resort doofus", versus more, shall we say "practical" brands.
The Bryce is, however, a complete and total rip off (see post 90 +). Substandard materials and design, for ONLY $500+. Ooh, no doubt it's fashionable though.
Try to find anything on warranty on the Kjus site. Nowhere. Arc is lifetime. Just fyi.
"Looking good and wanting to be fashionable is part of the fun. Maybe you should try it sometime. I think I have the credentials to post on here and know what I'm talking about."
Why not try using more functional gear and getting over the fashion nonsense. The thing about fashion is that the next year it's not - why waste time and effort on something someone else dictates. And with 14 posts in 13 years, right, you're an authority.