Any takes on Kjus ski wear? - Page 5

_nofun3

 

 

I didn't say they all had Velcro, I said all that I HAVE SEEN had velcro and are adjustable. I also never said the coats were a knockoff, No, I said it could have been a 2nd or a Sample or a discontinued model!

 

What is not fair is you posting incessantly hammering Kjus's entire product line using one crappy discounted jacket as an example of the enitre line!

 

Reminds me of 60 minutes and Audi's intended acceleration smear!

 

Who are you? Tthe Morley Safer of ski wear?

 

About time you gave a somewhat fair assessment of the Formula Pant,  

 

Although,  you carry a wallet skiing and keep your camera in your pant pocket? That is 1st rate Gaperdom & doesn't that interfere with your hip angulation ?

 

 

 

 

Jeezzus I'm the designated pitbull about not giving up arguments, but you guys are taking it to a whole new universe...

 

If I were you I'd each go halves now on some forensic specialists to analyze whether the discontinued sample knockoff is real, or one of those damned fake discontinued sample knockoffs. 

Which comes first?   Come on' its not a fake. It may be a couple of seasons old but I am sure its real.  I know Snowfun and he knows his gear. I am not in agreement its all crap and he did't say that but give me a 3 layer gore pro or DryQ Elite and I am happy camper. From there I can layer (wool base, pati down shirt or down jacket) for any temperature (or not layer; they are really a 3 season shells) and withstand anything that mother nature dishes out..
 

 

No sense of humor, you guyz!

Hey I just read that Kjus uses poor handicapped children in Zaire to make their jackets!

AHA!  

 

OF COURSE it's tight around the neck and wrists - gotta keep the skeeters out.      (You know... might not be a bad idea for Maine blackfly season)

 

 

 

 

Our "mosquito netting" charity money is secretly being used to finance Nigerian Gore-tex smuggling rings.

 

My Schedule A feels ... violated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, so this wasn't REALLY what you said in post #94? It's a bitch that the internet remembers these things, eh?

 

 

 

"Something is amiss, the Bryce jacket has Velcro cuff closures. (UMMM, apparently not, eh?)

 

Maybe it is some ol model fromyears in the past. (Yup but it's IDENTICAL to this year's model - just check out the pictures.)

 

No such color combo on the Kjus site either. (OK, bfd)

 

Yep, I'd say you got Sierra Trading Posted!!!" (How you figure that?)

 

 

So anyway, I only had negative comments about the Bryce, which I backed up with words and pictures, not just making snide and generally inane statements interspersed with personal attacks - I mean how insecure can you be about a piece of clothing? If you read (and understand) the comments about the Fusion jacket and pants, they were generally quite complimentary. They're nice pieces. Maybe not for my general type of resort skiing, but for some they are premium products that can fulfill a niche requirement.

 

Maybe it's best if you just go back to obsessing about edge bevel.

 

 

 

Maybe you should just stick to edge bevel or something.

 

Well, from pics they don't look too tight. You must prefer the boarder look Are those the regular Fusion pants or the Fusion?

For lightly insulated jackets and pants the fit finish and quality of the materials is great. For insulated gear, the Dermizax EZ is fine and "close" to Goretex. For a shell, I'd want an arcteryx three layer Goretex or the MH Dry.Q Elite.

NOW THAT'S FUNNY!

 

 

i'M OBSSESED. WOW THAT'S THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!

 

Who posted a freaking photo gallery and umpteen posts on this subject.

 

Are you a mole for Consmer Reports?

 

And where did I attack you personally?

 

Don't be a whiner!

 

 

 

So, Atomicman, just curious, how much money does the shop get to keep when you sell one of them thar 'spensive $600.flimsy windbreakers that won't keep you dry in a rainstorm and that you still have to wear a down filled sweater under if it's cold? 

 

 

About $400 Gross profit.

 

From that you subtract, freight, sales costs & employee costs, advertising, all other overhead, State B&O tax (In Washington that is calculated on the Sales Price of $800) and more!

 

 

 

 

My pots are stainless steel.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Boil them coats.  ,Let's get to the bottom of this argument. . Send me a couple to compare and I'll get back to you all. I'd like to compare the Arcteryx with the top of the line comparable water resistance Kjus.  Large please and no pink already . Unless I get what Bode got for wearing that one .

 

Edited by GarryZ - 4/18/12 at 8:08pm

Wow, looks like I missed a lot in this thread.  I jumped in to say that the Bryce jacket appears to be genuine to me, but it looks like he's already shown that.  I too have a Bryce jacket, and, unlike Snofun3, I really like mine.. more than my Arc superlight jacket (can't remember if it's an Alpha or Beta SL) made from Goretex Paclite.  If I can figure out where the heck I put my Arc jacket, I'll get up some pictures.  The Arc I have is fairly similar in features and has the same, single layer construction as the Bryce, which is also fairly similar to the ultralight North Face jacket my wife has that's made with eVent.

 

What I like about the Bryce over the Arc'Teryx:

-the pit zips are huge compared with the Arc

-it has 3 pockets rather than the 1 chest pocket that is about useless on the Arc piece

-it is much more fitted, the Arc feels like a bag when you put it on.  Part of that also has to do with the material

-I also like feel and movement of the stretch material a lot better than the Paclite

 

What I don't like about it is the elastic wrist band.  I wore it out in a rainstorm today for about an hour and had no issues with breathability (though it was a bit cool) or water resistance.

 

To the person who said that their Kjus jacket got waterlogged, my guess is that you need to redo the DWR.  Any waterproof jacket whose PWR has worn down will have a soggy outer layer before you get to the membrane, with the possible exception of the DryQ stuff, which I haven't tried yet.

 

I have tried most of the brands and had settled on Arc'Teryx.  I had quite a few jackets and pants, though not nearly as many as Snofun3.  That was, until I found Kjus.  I have since sold all my Arc jackets and pants except for a Gamma MX and a Hercules, both of which I really like. 

 

My current go-to jacket is one of the older (5 years +/-) jackets that I have worn comfortably in most conditions and it still looks brand new.  I have skied all day in the rain at 40 degrees and I have sat in long lift chair rides in single-digit weather (it doesn't get any colder here) with strong gusts.  Both times I was about the only one on the slopes and was not just surviving, but was comfortable, and both times I wore the same jacket.  The only time I've had to change out of it was when it was 50 and sunny this spring and I changed into my Kjus X3, which is lighter than the insulated jacket, but a heavier fabric than the Bryce.  I also like the Kjus equipment, ironically, because no one here has any idea what it is.

 

Mountain climbing, I'd probably go with Arc.  Backcountry, either.  Resort skiing, definitely Kjus.

 

CJ

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5 pages on this topic? REALLY? HEy guys, I have some really baggy jeans from when I listened to a lot of rap music, I also have some nut-hugger skinny jeans now that I'm more of a hipster. Do you guys think it would be okay if I used scotch guard on the baggy jeans to keep the water out and had the nut-huggers on underneath that to help keep warm on days when it is super cold, like 25 degrees or colder? Don't worry, I won't sag my baggy jeans because that would make it hard to snowplow with my 99cm snow blades.    

Yes, yes, and yes! Kjus is far superior. All of their ski wear uses Dermizax EV by Toray, the best technical fabric there was until this season when Toray came out with a Dermizax NX, which is double the protection but even more expensive and most people don't need it. Also, they have 4-way stretch, sealed seams, laser cut, and style unless you consider that a luxury. Technically, yes, the manufacturers that you mentioned can't even come close. You can't look at it in terms of 8 lift tickets or even one season. They will last you until you get tired of it and want another one:} Always wash in Nikwax Techwash and they will look like new forever. The weight is super light and they move with your body. Wearing superior technical garments definitely ups the fun factor and looking good is not a bad thing either. There are some super macho younger men (don't know how old you are) who seem to think that it's gaper gear. For one, they probably can't afford it. Secondly, they haven't a clue what they are talking about. Sort of reverse snobbery. If you can find some good buys either pre-season or end of season, don't even hesitate. Make sure you like it because it definitely won't wear out. Just think of soft goods the same way that you think of hard goods. If you wanted a particular ski or boot, you wouldn't be worried about 8 lift tickets. Your soft goods are equipment as well. Everything that makes our sport more fun is worth doing. Even the mid layers are superior. They are Fieldsensor which not only wicks, but is anti bacterial. No one wants to ride on a chair with some stinky person:} Yuck. They also last forever. So if you can get past the idea that it's not such a bad thing to look nice, then you will see that it is a lot more than that. It's called technology.:}  

Cjo, I only disagree with one thing you said. I would wear my Kjus stuff anywhere. Resort and Backcountry. Not to say that Arc doesn't make some nice stuff. They had their start in expedition wear and that is their corporate culture. Kjus was born as a ski wear manufacturer and they have been more than extremely successful. The really top of the line Arc stuff is very expensive. If I were going on an expedition to Everest, Arc might be a great thing, but I'm a skier, and Kjus to me, wins hands down. The guy who was bashing Kjus said he skis with a wallet and a camera in his pockets. I agree with the other poster, doesn't that affect one's technical skills? Most definitely it does. No high level skier sks with wallets and cameras in their pants pockets. Any instructor would have him remove those items immediately. Not to mention what it would be like if you had a bad fall. I'm sick of the Kjus bashers. It's like Apple vs Android. The other group is always going to have something to say about the users of the product they don't like. Until the Kjus bashers actually ski in Kjus ski wear, then they should just let it be. Those pics cracked me up. It's quite possible that the guy in the green jacket was wearing a jacket too small for him. I do see that a lot. I've been wearing Kjus since the second year they were in business and I wore Arc stuff before that. Give me Kjus any day of the week please! I've been skiing 52 years. I remember the days when there were plenty of people who bashed the shaped ski. And going to a shorter ski than their 220's? Please. They were usually men who equated the length of the ski as an indicator of their masculinity to put it in a polite way. It's many years later and the same 'ole same 'ole litany about Arc and Kjus. If they think that they are more of a man wearing their Arc, then so be it. But men, get a clue. If you really want to look hot, then Kjus soft wear will turn the women's heads much more than any Arc. My technical skills are excellent and I raced in the Nastar Nationals. I don't need to ski super fast to prove anything. I just want to ski all terrain technically efficient. I can do this in Arc. I can do it in Kjus. But I will be a lot more comfortable wearing Kjus and also look a lot sexier. I'm a petite woman and ski on a 146 cm My slalom race skis were 155 cm. The same size that are used by world class racers in slalom. They aren't allowed to go any shorter or they probably would. Every turn I make is an efficient carved turn and yes, I can make GS turns on my 146's. But I love turning and would prefer to make more turns on a hill than less, and I rip in the bumps. I don't wear cameras and wallets in my pockets. I want to have the freedom of movement to allow my hips and legs to go out to the side which is called inclination. I ski new school and I learn new skills every season. Tecnique follows technology.There is always something new that is happening to skiing and the racers are at the forefront. I ski in an area that emphasizes technique from the never ever skier to the highest Level 10. Level 10's are usually returning former locals including even pro patrol. No one even mentions the word, gaper, and all the people who used to wear Arc are wearing Kjus. At apres ski, we are as likely to be in a technical clinic watching films of world class racers to study what they do as opposed to downing 4-6 beers. It's a real skier's mountain that has the highest level of skiers in ski school than any resort on the planet. The mountain is TSV. And no one laughs at the people wearing Kjus. They are mostly Level 9's.     

I've kind of always had the feeling that Kjus stuff is cheese. Am I posting in the right thread? (Loved Lasse on the tour, though.) 

 

 

par·a·graph  (pr-grf)n.

 

 

Just fyi - I can afford what I want, really (maybe you should stick around for a while and get to know who, what and where first) and after taking delivery of of the Kjus stuff (btw, all things were in the correct sizes), quickly deduced that it for a "special" type of person and skier (think Stratton and unbackcountry), that wasn't for me.

 

OK, I got called a gaper because I commented that the pants didn't fit my point-and-shoot camera as they were too tight (go figure), but nevermind, apparently you're that "special kind".

 

Anyway, your comments are funny, even if they're clueless.

  do you get the feeling she actually DOES speak the way she writes?  any chance miss run-on girl is schilling for Kjus? 

It kinds of surprise me when someone says Kjus has the best technical gear on the market. I really have nothing against Kjus the few things I've seem look nice and apparently are very well built. 

 

But Kjus doesn't have a single athlete that is not a GS/Racer skier. How could Kjus offer the best technical gear for freeskiing/mountaineering/backcountry if there is no athlete (as per their website) giving input on their designs and what they do? How do they test the gear they do? Where are their big mountain/backcountry/moutaineering skiers to help them on design? Why Kjus fabric is not on any test out there against goretex pro or dry.q elite? Not a single recommendation out there for kjus baselayer over merino... maybe I`m looking for information in the wrong place! :-)

 

I really believe they make good products but it`s really a nonsense to say their gear is the best for anywhere/anytime/any condition! But everyone has the right to be a big Kjus fan! If she is happy with her gear, good for her!

Probably - sort of like my ex - think that speaking loud and long enough and people will believe you.

 

Funny with all the Kjus crowd, provide visual evidence and you get told that you got the wrong size, it's fake, bad pictures, you're a gaper (pot, meet kettle), but nothing substantive, such as other pictures.

 

I love it, you go to the shop and confirm it's real, yet still, you get nonsense.

 

This part I love: "At apres ski, we are as likely to be in a technical clinic watching films of world class racers to study what they do as opposed to downing 4-6 beers. It's a real skier's mountain that has the highest level of skiers in ski school than any resort on the planet."

 

Well, OK, I usually ski at WB (maybe you've heard of it - it's sorta a real skiers hill too?), and apres ski, I'll be with a group who'd probably feel like gapers if they only had 4-6 beers as we watch ski-porn from MSP and TGR. Oh, and some of those partaking are participants in the films (oh, and no, there's no Kjus in sight). Uber technique and stuff, no, those guys are clueless   - gawd.....

Snowfun- You read through that drivel?  Holy shit!  She sounds like a lot of fun to hang with.  Maybe this could be the new jacket of the Harbalites?

 

 

their new membrane laminate appears to be bonded onto a softshell type material, not sure if this is a ePTFE or just PTFE or a simple PU. Not sure if this is a single, 2 or 3L material, since its a soft stretch material, my guess is single but can't find that info.  Run-off girl failed to mention the specifics of this new super material, she seemingly is just regurgitating the marketing release....

 

Well, I find mono-paragraphs almost impossible to read, but I scanned it to see if there was anything useful in it, sadly, there was not - more stuff like you (and I) highlighted.

Completely agree, it's "resort wear", or "racer wear", competing with Bogner and the like, not Arcteryx, which is made for non-resort / backcountry types.

 

Talking about race technique then saying how it's great for all conditions and areas is pretty much stepping-on-your-dick.

 

Anyway, I went into it with an open mind, buying the pieces I thought would be best, and came out laughing at the stuff as gaperwear at its finest. Not bad stuff, in fact, quite nice, but only for its intended, on-resort, on-piste purpose.

I just want to say that no one was a bigger Lasse Kjus fan than me (if you ever saw the guy smooth out the bumps on the Val Gardena downhill course, you'd never forget it), and he's a shrewd businessman too. His line is very well thought-out, it's semi-tech for the heli set. There's nothing wrong with that. Why try to slug it out for street cred with the Mammuts and Arcteryxes of the world? The Kjus brand scoped out a new niche and filled it well. Great video here, BTW. It's not Survivorman-wear, but the man and his friends can ski:



 

^^ I have a bud at WB who knows him and confirms your comments that Kjus is an outstanding skier, good businessman, and all-around good guy.

 

No complaint there, it's just the nonsense from the "I can't ski on these, the edge bevel is 0.000035% off" crowd here.

 

Kjus is resort wear - no problem with that, but comments like "you have a camera with you - what a gaper, or your technique will be affected" are just so much absurd nonsense, that there needs to be a come-back. How 'bout I also have a Platypus bottle in the cargo pocket, the wallet in the back, and sometimes a pack. O.M.G. What to think now? How can I even get down the hill for gawd sakes. How funny, and how stupid.

 

Look, I carry a camera so when a good shot comes up, I can get it. For sure I'm no Ansel Adams, but it's a hobby - stuff like this:

 

The Canyons

 

RIP Shane. Whistler A day after he BASE'd off the P2P

 

Snowbird Tunnel

 

View from 7th Heaven

 

Going up Harmony

 

Practice for MSP's Seven Sunny Days

 

My younger son at The Canyons

 

No, I don't run gates, Couldn't give a rat's-ass less. That's the crowd that takes that nasty powder stuff off the ice to run the course, right? No, please, enjoy the ice, and your technique (and, of course dissecting it later), while I have a great day, and enjoy myself (and my camera and gear), and my buds while we have a few beers apres ski.

 

I think ultimately, Miss One Paragraph unintentionally made the case. If you want to obsess about your technique, and your race form, then Kjus is your gear. Have at it.

 

As said before, of the three pieces I bought, the Formula jacket was first class, with lots of nice features, but too heavy for my preferred layering technique (watch them go all apoplectic about that - no doubt it's supposed to be worn over your race suit to show how core you are)

 

The Formula Pants were also very nice, and of high quality material, but too slim fitting for me, that wouldn't allow my gaptastic camera and wallet to fit comfortably, so they were a no go.

 

The Bryce jacket was for suckers. Compared to the competition (and yes, I had the right size in both), the material was substandard, the fit was absurd (choke yourself anyone?), and the ideas (elastic cuffs - and yes, it was real), were an abomination

 

Overall, (with the exception of the Bryce) I think the stuff is quite good, but it's competition for Spyder and Bogner, not Arcteryx or Marmot - made for a different clientle. Not that it's right or wrong, good or bad, just made for different groups.

The dirty little secret is that for 99% of us, the level of tech in Kjus gear is probably sufficient, pricing aside. But that wouldn't allow us to live the dream the way true tech gear does.