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post #31 of 50

Does the cuff lock into the lower when you put it in ski mode or is the walk mechanism just act like a stop similar to the Atomic/Salomon?

post #32 of 50

I can ski in the LV boot with some mods (punches) but the 100MM would fit me better out of the box.

 

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Is this a different last than the RS/RX line?

From above posts, unless I'm mistaken you normally wear the 100 mm RS but seemed happy in the 97 mm XT.

 

I wear a RX (100mm) and don't think I could even put on a 97 mm boot for more than a few minutes let alone ski it.

 



 

post #33 of 50

It's all about the Power V-Lock. While everyone else was cutting the back spine of the lower shell to allow your leg room to rotate back these guys came up with the solution. When the cuff is locked so is the V-Lock giving you a nice progressive flex. Why the hell didn't I think of this?? I feel bad for the other companies that came so close and missed the obvious.

 

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Does the cuff lock into the lower when you put it in ski mode or is the walk mechanism just act like a stop similar to the Atomic/Salomon?


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post #34 of 50

How different is the lock / release functionality on the Cochise boot?

post #35 of 50
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How different is the lock / release functionality on the Cochise boot?



Totally different, it does not use a metal "spine" or pin to lock into place.  The walk mode tab is similar to the Quest and Tracker, but the power V-lock is the major difference in downhill mode.  it allows you to have a big range of motion in walk, but when you are in ski mode, the v-lock prevents the lower cuff from "washing out" when flexing the upper cuff.  It flexes just like a regular RX/RS boot.  Game changer for sure, really simple and effective design.

post #36 of 50


Not super easy to get in and out of, my Dalbello Virus boots are much easier.

Speaking of rustic conditions the tour mode could also be called the Number 2 mode!

 

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My main question would be can you get it on and off when it is cold? If I were to get a touring type boot, I'd want to be able to put them on and get them off in "rustic" conditions.



 

post #37 of 50

Sounds awesome.  Too bad they didn't opt for the swappable tech soles - that one seems like a no-brainer to me, but I guess they just wanted to walk before they run I suppose.
 

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Totally different, it does not use a metal "spine" or pin to lock into place.  The walk mode tab is similar to the Quest and Tracker, but the power V-lock is the major difference in downhill mode.  it allows you to have a big range of motion in walk, but when you are in ski mode, the v-lock prevents the lower cuff from "washing out" when flexing the upper cuff.  It flexes just like a regular RX/RS boot.  Game changer for sure, really simple and effective design.



 

post #38 of 50

These boots look great.  Exactly what I have been looking for.  It's weird timing, but the other day I was saying that I wish there was a boot that was a cross between the Lange RX 130 and the Dalbello Virus, and this boot encompasses all the things I was looking for.  Can't wait to get a pair. 

 

Questions:

1) When will they be released for sale?

2) Is the liner a moldable product like Intuition? 

post #39 of 50

Lange is launching this boot at SIA and will be shipped to a small amount of dealers asap.  Sizes offered will be 26.5, 27.5, and 28.5 for the this early launch, full size run (24.5-30.5) will be in the stores next fall.

 

If your shop is big with Lange now, chances are they will get the RX 130 LV (97mm last) soon.

post #40 of 50
Thread Starter 

The Lange XT 130 is in stock and shipping now in the following sizes 26.5, 27.5 and 28.5.  More sizes arriving later.

 

Lange XT 130

post #41 of 50
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Originally Posted by patmoore View Post

The Lange XT 130 is in stock and shipping now in the following sizes 26.5, 27.5 and 28.5.  More sizes arriving later.

 

Lange XT 130


Grrrrrrrr... Pat, you know me (or your fitters do). I need a 25.5 (ideally a 25.0, if it existed).

 

Coming soon I hope. wink.gif

post #42 of 50
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Originally Posted by bluesbrother49 View Post



Totally different, it does not use a metal "spine" or pin to lock into place.  The walk mode tab is similar to the Quest and Tracker, but the power V-lock is the major difference in downhill mode.  it allows you to have a big range of motion in walk, but when you are in ski mode, the v-lock prevents the lower cuff from "washing out" when flexing the upper cuff.  It flexes just like a regular RX/RS boot.  Game changer for sure, really simple and effective design.



Big range of motion might be a bit of an overstatement!  If there is a rear spine in the lower of the boot you won't have range of motion, period.  Your lower leg runs into the spine and can go nowhere. Sure if you cut a big V in the back of the boot you'll get another 5* maybe but not much more than that. Look at the boots with huge range of motion, Scarpa Maestrale, Dalbello Virus, Dynafit TLT-5, etc.  There is no spine to the lower of the boot, that's why these boots have such great strides.  The Cochise is in between.  The spine is not as low as the above mentioned AT boots but is significantly lower than a traditional alpine last that has been modified to become a "walk mode" ski boot (Lange XT, Salomon quest or Quest Max, Atomic Tracker, etc)   When you put any of the Cochise products into ski mode there is a metal pin that goes into the lower which essentially rivets the upper to the lower giving the ski boot integrity.  When locked in the engineering in the upper and lower create a very rigid responsive spine so they ski exactly like a traditional high end alpine ski boot. 

 

If you don't lock the upper to the lower there is no way you can properly manage the flex of the ski boot, period.  It would be like taking the rivets out of the back of your boot.  You end up with play and slop.  There is significant range of motion forward before the lower shell engages which equals significant loss in energy transmission and ski performance. 

post #43 of 50
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Big range of motion might be a bit of an overstatement!  If there is a rear spine in the lower of the boot you won't have range of motion, period.  Your lower leg runs into the spine and can go nowhere. Sure if you cut a big V in the back of the boot you'll get another 5* maybe but not much more than that. Look at the boots with huge range of motion, Scarpa Maestrale, Dalbello Virus, Dynafit TLT-5, etc.  There is no spine to the lower of the boot, that's why these boots have such great strides.  The Cochise is in between.  The spine is not as low as the above mentioned AT boots but is significantly lower than a traditional alpine last that has been modified to become a "walk mode" ski boot (Lange XT, Salomon quest or Quest Max, Atomic Tracker, etc)   When you put any of the Cochise products into ski mode there is a metal pin that goes into the lower which essentially rivets the upper to the lower giving the ski boot integrity.  When locked in the engineering in the upper and lower create a very rigid responsive spine so they ski exactly like a traditional high end alpine ski boot. 

 

If you don't lock the upper to the lower there is no way you can properly manage the flex of the ski boot, period.  It would be like taking the rivets out of the back of your boot.  You end up with play and slop.  There is significant range of motion forward before the lower shell engages which equals significant loss in energy transmission and ski performance. 


Sounds like a good sales argument in favor of one boot over another. In practice, I'd say notsomuch. I have skied race boots for a loooong time now. I have skied about 6 days now in an XT 130 and the only time there is any difference at all (and very minor at that) is on very hard snow and when skiing on the proper tool for those conditions and when looking for a near race type turn. Otherwise, no difference that I can detect and hence.....no complaints. In practice, when the boot is buckled to normal skiing tension the lower engages through the rear spine just as it normally would. In a static sense such as standing in the shop, you can maybe feel some free movement in forward flex. However, in normal conditions, on the hill and in the snow.........it just doesn't seem to matter. There may be a theoretical ROM difference but in practice, again, it may not amount to much. Since I'm not that backcountry type guy, I don't care one way or the other.

 

I think that if one had a particular agenda to prove, you could put one boot on one foot and one on the other and go out looking for a difference and you might in fact find one (maybe). OTH, if one just wants a nice boot to click into his Dukes and go up a little and down a lot...........I doubt that it'll matter much and that buyer will select whichever one fits the best.

 

SJ

 

post #44 of 50

Great write up Jim.  Here is another great review of the Lange XT against some other "sidecountry" boots.

http://www.earnyourturns.com/8714/preview-4-new-at-boots-12-13/

post #45 of 50

Question for Jim or any others in this thread, is the size difference between the LV and the 100mm wide last only in the met heads/forefoot/toe box, or is the entire boot lower volume.  I have heard both things from different boot guys.  

post #46 of 50
Can add a few more details about the Lange XT since posting my first impressions (referenced above). Indeed, it doesn't have as much cuff motion as a Dynafit TLT5, Dalbello Virus, Garmont Cosmos, or Scarpa Maestrale BUT it does exceed range of motion of AT boots that try to match the Lange XT's downhill performance. Few if any equal the XT for downhill, and the XT exceeds most for a comfortable walk mode.

The key is the V-Lock mechanism which allows the cuff to move with no friction from sliding up or down a post. Then, when the V-tab is pulled tight against the lower shell it fills the gap behind the Achilles heel and allows the lower shell to act structurally like an alpine boot. Purty ingenious. Here's more minutia on how Lange manages to achieve that wide of a swing in the pendulum of up- and down-hill performance.
post #47 of 50
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Originally Posted by NYSki View Post

Question for Jim or any others in this thread, is the size difference between the LV and the 100mm wide last only in the met heads/forefoot/toe box, or is the entire boot lower volume.  I have heard both things from different boot guys.  

 

Oooops, somehow missed this before.

 

If you picture most ski boot shapes as sort of a "V" shape, (narrower heel, wider front) most boots will go wider at the heel and front by more or less equal amounts. In the case of the RX vs. RX-LV this relationship is somewhat different. The RX holds onto most of the narrow heel,/low volume rear-midfoot of the LV while broadening the front at the met head area. I think this is among the biggest reasons for the incredible market success of the RX boot (best selling boot model in the US last year).

 

The XT-LV is closer in overall fit to the std RX due to the somewhat relaxed fit of the XT liner. I have skied the RS (97mm) in sz 27 ( 1 sz down from measured) for years. It always takes a lot of work to achieve that fit. I can ski the XT-LV which is ostensibly the same (97mm) shell  in the same shell size but with far less work. I know that the XT will not perform with quite the precision of the RS but that's a fair tradeoff for my tastes.

 

SJ

post #48 of 50
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post
 

I was pretty close to pulling the trigger on the Technica Cochise boots after I stuck my Lange liner in them.  I think I will wait till these come around.  I think I would prefer the 130 flex.

 

I am also interested in what type of liner Lange is using for this boot.

 

Thanks,

JF

i know this is an old thread but this boot seems like it may fit my upcoming needs in a boot.  My question is, will there be a need to take out the stock liner and fit it with X brand liner? How have these been out of the box?  My feet have always been cold (even before I was married) and I was wondering if the stock liner was adequate.  I also am a 98mm last and was hoping to squeeze into the 97's.  I have tried a pair of RX's on with the boot fitter a few years back and ended up in a Technica Inferno Heat (now with Intuition wrap liner).  Any thoughts would be appreciated!

post #49 of 50
I have put about 30 days on my XT 130s. The liners packed out in about 20 days. I just got some Zipfits (which seem to be real game changers. Absolutely awesome). The performance of the stock liner was total crap, IMO. Way too soft on the upper. Never had a problem with cold feet. Wet feet are another story -- my feet have been drier in the shower. I also had to take the boots in for warranty work when the plastic walking piece inside the boot broke. Overall I wish I would've gone with the RS, RX or another brand.
post #50 of 50
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Originally Posted by Drahtguy View Post

I have put about 30 days on my XT 130s. The liners packed out in about 20 days. I just got some Zipfits (which seem to be real game changers. Absolutely awesome). The performance of the stock liner was total crap, IMO. Way too soft on the upper. Never had a problem with cold feet. Wet feet are another story -- my feet have been drier in the shower. I also had to take the boots in for warranty work when the plastic walking piece inside the boot broke. Overall I wish I would've gone with the RS, RX or another brand.

 

 

YEP!!!!  I put a pair of Intuition Power tongues in mine. Huge upgrade.  Only skied them a few days but the added lateral stiffness was significant. I also prefer the flex pattern with the Intuition.  Much more natural hinge point .  

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