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Hi guys,


This is me skiing a blue run at Blue Mountain. Boilerplate with some fresh snow patches. Standard intermediate parallel turns I suppose, though I'm working on advanced parallel by keeping the outside leg more extended during phase 2+3. Also attempting to bring my feet a bit further under my body rather than powering turns from my quads. I have a narrow stance, and would like to build edge angles through vertical separation rather than a gorilla stance. Feedback appreciated. 


post #2 of 8

I'm by far no instructor but the big thing I do see is that you seem to be "tipping" heavily during turns. That is your shoulders are not staying parallel during turns  

post #3 of 8

Met - Nothing wrong with the stance width most of the time. You do sneak in a closing of the width occasionally to make it easier for the upper body to cross over to the inside of the new turn.


Tony knows how to ski.


Your toes, knees and nose should be in a vertical line. Your knees and nose are behind the line. Stand up taller, move the belly button forward and get the knees over the toes.


I see the problem with the shoulders that wolf noted as the shoulders occasionally tipping into the mountain (e.g. at the end of a turn, the uphill shoulder is lower than the downhill shoulder). A line from shoulder to shoulder should be parallel to the snow surface at all points in a turn. I also see spots where a line from your heel to your head is almost straight instead of angled at the waist. You should have maximum lateral displacement of the feet out from underneath the hips around the middle of the turn (in the fall line). Since you don't have much turn going on above the middle of the turn right now, this is going to be hard to do consistently.


I like the rhythm, the flow and the control of these turns. If you ski only 5 days per season, I'd recommend skipping lessons and just enjoy the mountain. If you want to take your skiing to the next level of performance, it's going to take a fair bit of work. Start on your stance first, then try finishing your turns more across the hill to see if that helps you to create more turn shape above the fall line (i.e. the top half of the letter C). Then we need to look at your skiing again to see where to go next.

post #4 of 8

Some points to ponder.
First, I agree with TheRusty on the rhythm and flow of the turns - nice. 
Other than a couple of times, I thought you did a pretty good job of keeping your shoulders level. 
In fact, if you asked me what I thought you were focusing on for that run,
I would say it was trying to keep your shoulders level and facing them square down the fall line.

As TheRusty points out, I would like to see your feet under you a bit more with ankle flex and more vertical femurs.
This enables you to better pressure and engage the fronts of the skis into and throughout the turn.


It also looked like you were skiing smoother and better well before you got to the camera but it was hard to see that far away. 
At some point it looked like you began to make shorter radius turns as you approached and continued those on down.


What I saw was while the shoulders were constantly facing downhill, the hips were not.  They were moving with the legs and skis.
It looked like you were winding up the spring between your shoulders and your hips and then using that tension to unwind your skis into a turn.
This is particularly noticable at 18 secs into the vid.
This results in your hips not being countered into the turn (like your shoulders are) and blocks your ability to angulate at the hips and
 thereby get more edge angle into and throughout the turn.


I kinda also got the feeling you were making individual turns.  OK, that one is done, now for the next one kinda thing. 
This is where the first 4-5 turns in the video looked to have alot smoother transition and flow between turns.


1. Get your feet under you more to pressure the front of your skis more to be able to engage the front edges more.
2. Wrap your poles around your hips (the Hip-O-Meter) and try to keep them as level and facing downhill as you are with your shoulders.
    (By the way, you don't need to keep them facing that much downhill all the time for those size turns.  Nice drill though.)
   This is classic independent leg rotation we are looking for here.  The legs are turning more than the hips.  The femurs are rotating
   back and forth in a stable/quiet hip socket.  We steer the feet not twist the torso. 
3. Think about starting to let the old turn go about 3/4 of the way around the turn. 
   Begin to unedge the skis there to start releasing the edges and your CoM out of the old turn and moving into the new.
   (BTW, I sometimes think that un-edging is almost more important than edging).

These open the door to higher, earlier edge engagement and carving.

post #5 of 8

nice smooth skiing.  Agree with Rusty, your stance is back.  Stand a lot taller, get your butt forward, drive your pelvis forward at all times.  

post #6 of 8



With the great angles your legs are making with the snow, it might not be possible to keep your shoulders parallel with the snow surface.  That's OK.  A taller stance will reduce the angles your skis are making on the snow and may hurt your skiing.


Look at :17 seconds.  See how your hips are behind your skis?  Pull your feet back.  That is the easy way to get balanced using your strong hamstring muscles.  Pull both feet strongly back when your skis are light on the snow at the turn transition and strongly pull the inside foot back during the entire turn (while pushing the inside hip forward).  Give it a try--easy to try, and you'll like the result.

post #7 of 8



Nice turns!


Good basics and I don't see anything glaring that needs remedial work.  Your primary goal should be to develop higher edge angles earlier in the turn to make them more dynamic.  This requires a more aggressive trajectory toward the apex of the turns.  Probably one of the best tasks to help you with this goal is to skate into your turns.  Begin skating on a flatter hill then elongate your skates into turns.  Strongly balance on the inside edge of the outside ski to create a solid platform to move from then project your mass forward between your skis as you aggressively begin extending on the little toe edge of your uphill ski and move across to the big toe edge as you extend.  Feel your ankle roll from one side of your foot to the other with the edge engaging.  Insure you are moving forward with your new outside and to the inside so the shovel engages early!  The aggressiveness of skating into your turns will get everything moving forward to keep the skis engaged and bending.  Get the hips moving laterally to increase the edge angles while keeping your parka zipper perpendicular to the snow.



post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys. I very much appreciate your feedback. So if I amalgamate for most common issues: 


Flex a bit more through the ankle to get more onto the shovel at initiation (somehow--my boot feels too stiff and I sometimes lack the strength to pull my feet back--I think my butt falls back if I try a pullback as I pike at the waist)

Develop more edge at initiation through some skating into turns (this is my weakest area, and probably the biggest gap to meeting level 3 competency)

Angulate more, maybe

Extend more, maybe (I really want to extend through the turn so as not to crumple and lose all pressure, but not extend during transition in a typical CSIA "pop")


The frustrating part is how much time and money I've invested. This is probably day 200 on snow over the past five years, with coaching on a good 100 of those days (about 30 days from level 4 instructors). And though I'm not skiing badly, I know it's not performance skiing either. Well, enough for my pity party--I appreciate the feedback! Will work on the above.

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