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Our First Look at the Salomon Guardian ve Duke. SOLEbootlab, CHX.

post #1 of 16
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Hey, we've posted up some images on the book of faces, click the link for images and our comments thus far.

 

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.318790571495011.79217.157705970936806&type=3

post #2 of 16

Show the Solly pivot point underside, pls?

post #3 of 16

Interesting that there was a lot of speculation on potential downfalls, but no true proof. I'll be more interested when there is some actual testing. Honestly waiting on the WildSnow review as well as TGR collective.

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

We approach all new product with a similar eye, call us ludites but we've been around long enough to see through the hype. Our fidings are that before use, we will of course follow up and publish real test findings, at this point the box arrived and these we're our first impressions, the bindings are now out there on a few "testers" and we'll see what we can say soon enough.

post #5 of 16
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Duke set to change to a 46mm platform, currently 36mm

post #6 of 16

There's a pretty detailed set of discussions on this binding, along with pics and action pics, over on TGR. At least two threads.

 

According to Cody Townsend, they work pretty well upside down:

 

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And here's a review from Utah Outside from this week:

 

http://www.utahoutside.com/2012/01/salomon-guardian-16-backcountry-binding-review/

post #7 of 16

Meh...... seems no great advance on the Marker Duke/Baron/Tour.  Nice to be able the switch between tour and ski without taking off skis but seriously, unless your training includes yoga you are going to take off your skis to remove the skins and Fritschi was able to do that anyway (if you firstly did the yoga). IMO the best climbing bar on frame AT bindings is the Fritschi and the best tour mode was the now discontinued Naxo (it avoided Frankenstride that a high toe pivot induces).

 

Dynafiddle seems safe as the AT binding of choice for the time being.

post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post

Meh...... seems no great advance on the Marker Duke/Baron/Tour.  Nice to be able the switch between tour and ski without taking off skis but seriously, unless your training includes yoga you are going to take off your skis to remove the skins and Fritschi was able to do that anyway (if you firstly did the yoga). IMO the best climbing bar on frame AT bindings is the Fritschi and the best tour mode was the now discontinued Naxo (it avoided Frankenstride that a high toe pivot induces).

 

Dynafiddle seems safe as the AT binding of choice for the time being.



I heard people want bindings that perform on the downhill. There are a lot of people not enamored with the Duke, but it's what has been available. Fritschi's are alright if you weigh a buck twenty five and you are meadowskipping.

 

 

post #9 of 16
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Meh...... seems no great advance on the Marker Duke/Baron/Tour.  Nice to be able the switch between tour and ski without taking off skis but seriously, unless your training includes yoga you are going to take off your skis to remove the skins and Fritschi was able to do that anyway (if you firstly did the yoga). IMO the best climbing bar on frame AT bindings is the Fritschi and the best tour mode was the now discontinued Naxo (it avoided Frankenstride that a high toe pivot induces).

 

Dynafiddle seems safe as the AT binding of choice for the time being.


Can't disagree about Dynafits/Plums, but IMO most AT users are looking for a sidebounds/short part-day touring rig that optimizes going downhill. That's the market, like it or not. As far as I follow the threads, the Sollie is significantly lighter and lower than the Duke, which are key. Personally, I'm more interested in the Tyrolia and Look/Plum setups. Understand the Tyrolia is also due out next season, and Look/Plum for 2013-2014. They don't have a Cody T. spreading buzz for them, but could be as good or better than the Sollie. 

 

post #10 of 16
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Can't disagree about Dynafits/Plums, but IMO most AT users are looking for a sidebounds/short part-day touring rig that optimizes going downhill. That's the market, like it or not. As far as I follow the threads, the Sollie is significantly lighter and lower than the Duke, which are key. Personally, I'm more interested in the Tyrolia and Look/Plum setups. Understand the Tyrolia is also due out next season, and Look/Plum for 2013-2014. They don't have a Cody T. spreading buzz for them, but could be as good or better than the Sollie. 

 



Pretty good analysis and good on the key points. One other key is the increased torsional rigidity (boot/ski coupling) on the Sollie which appears superior to all the existing Markers including the Jester Pro. I just saw the new Duke yesterday and they are talking about wider is better and the wider the binding the better it is. This is in fact not true if there is a significant difference in the rigidity of the coupling. Salomon/Atomic have done their homework and have done a lot of tests so they are not coming to the market without some preparation. Right now, it is all he said/she said. We shall see how it shakes out.

 

SJ

post #11 of 16

Marker continues to cling to the wider is better routine. I find that kind of sad given the numbers of people on Solly and Rossi BINDERS.wink.gif

post #12 of 16
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I heard people want bindings that perform on the downhill. There are a lot of people not enamored with the Duke, but it's what has been available. Fritschi's are alright if you weigh a buck twenty five and you are meadowskipping.

 

 



When I started heading into the BC a few years ago, the Fritschi Freeride + was the frame binding of choice.  The Duke came along and resolved DH performance issues of the Fritschi/Naxos/Silveretta bindings but at a weight and functionality cost.  Marker solved the weight issue with the Tour.... But..... nearly everyone I know who stays BC skiing for some time ends up gravitating to Dynafit or Tech compatible bindings (and boots) because so far, without loosing the training heel, nothing superior for AT skiing has been developed.

 

The Guardian is evolutionary, not revolutionary, hence hard to get excited about it.

 

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post



When I started heading into the BC a few years ago, the Fritschi Freeride + was the frame binding of choice.  The Duke came along and resolved DH performance issues of the Fritschi/Naxos/Silveretta bindings but at a weight and functionality cost.  Marker solved the weight issue with the Tour.... But..... nearly everyone I know who stays BC skiing for some time ends up gravitating to Dynafit or Tech compatible bindings (and boots) because so far, without loosing the training heel, nothing superior for AT skiing has been developed.

 

The Guardian is evolutionary, not revolutionary, hence hard to get excited about it.

 



Well put.

 

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

We've had a pair back that has had 15 outings, skied hard, the heel piece rocks a little (there is play.) Doesn't worry us too much, nothing out there will not generate play on super fat skis, however these were mounted on Armada skis. Anyone hazard a guess at who might be on these bindings early and have them on non Salomon/Atomic Skis?

post #15 of 16

Do you think I could get my hands on a 2013 dukes this season (or the new soloman) or do I need to wait until next fall?

post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 

there's always a chance, but reckon you'll ned to join a long queue of people closer to us.

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