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post #1 of 26
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So....    who can help me out here.  Last year I was always always in the top five overall as far as fastest times go skiing a world cup volkl gs ski.  Over the summer I got the bright idea to drop a few pounds, 60 to be exact, and now the only place I can get the same ski to go is towards the woods.  I finally got frustrated and hauled out my SL skis and was only about a second slower than normal. 

 

Anyone have any opinions? 

post #2 of 26
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So....    who can help me out here.  Last year I was always always in the top five overall as far as fastest times go skiing a world cup volkl gs ski.  Over the summer I got the bright idea to drop a few pounds, 60 to be exact, and now the only place I can get the same ski to go is towards the woods.  I finally got frustrated and hauled out my SL skis and was only about a second slower than normal. 

 

Anyone have any opinions? 



there is a reason why racers eat tons of foods and stay heavy. Its easier to bend skis

 

maybe get some Women's WC skis? At 165lb myself they seem to do better than most of my other options. The average Girl Wcer is way more skilled than me and about the same weight.

post #3 of 26

I have a feeling that you cannot bend your GS skis as much as you did last season.  A 60 pound mass drop is very significant.  If you can, try testing some skis that are suited more towards your current build.

 

Dennis

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Originally Posted by TuckerDH View Post

So....    who can help me out here.  Last year I was always always in the top five overall as far as fastest times go skiing a world cup volkl gs ski.  Over the summer I got the bright idea to drop a few pounds, 60 to be exact, and now the only place I can get the same ski to go is towards the woods.  I finally got frustrated and hauled out my SL skis and was only about a second slower than normal. 

 

Anyone have any opinions? 

 

If you have the cash, Fischer's FIS-compliant lineup this year has men's and women's and also stiff and medium flexes in each radius.  So, you could try the 23m Women's FIS GS skis with a medium flex, and maybe you could bend it better.  Otherwise, you could just find a ski with more sidecut to make up for the reduced bending you are experiencing now.

 

My 0.02 is to keep the weight off... that's much better for your overall health.
 

 

post #5 of 26
Yes look at the women's ski. You might also want to think about softening your boot a bit
Odds are that is even more critical. At the lower weight
post #6 of 26

I know several male skiers who are rocking women's models, in case that worries you.  

 

Another reason I think that no ski should be GENDER specific, only weight specific.  

post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 

thank you for the advice...  last night I put my skis on the bench and remounted my bindings 0.5" more forward and dropped my heel in the boot.  Skis seem to turn much better and would track where I wanted them.  was pretty scary the other night....   will be interesting how they do in a course with a nice tune...  I will look at the womens ski too.  if it is faster for me, all the power to the chicks! 

 

post #8 of 26
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Yes look at the women's ski. You might also want to think about softening your boot a bit
Odds are that is even more critical. At the lower weight


So you're saying if he softens his boot 20-30 flex numbers, he will be able to bend the ski almost as well?

post #9 of 26

The softer boots won't make your ski bend any differently, but they will allow you to better adjust your position over the ski fore/aft to work the ski.  Lighter people need softer boots and softer skis as a general rule. 

 

It is also a fact that in a straight tuck on a pitch your 60 pound heavier version would pick up and carry more speed all other things identical.... except possibly on deep and soft snow.  On a race course heavier is usually faster in the straights down the fall line.   

post #10 of 26
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there is a reason why racers eat tons of foods and stay heavy. Its easier to bend skis


Yep.  Didier Cuche is only 5'8", yet he is a giant for that height at 215 lbs.

 

post #11 of 26
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So you're saying if he softens his boot 20-30 flex numbers, he will be able to bend the ski almost as well?


It is about getting the weight to the front of the ski better.   If you jhave dropped that much weight it is a lot harder to flex a stiff boot

 



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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

The softer boots won't make your ski bend any differently, but they will allow you to better adjust your position over the ski fore/aft to work the ski.  Lighter people need softer boots and softer skis as a general rule. 

 

It is also a fact that in a straight tuck on a pitch your 60 pound heavier version would pick up and carry more speed all other things identical.... except possibly on deep and soft snow.  On a race course heavier is usually faster in the straights down the fall line.   

 

Correct!

 

post #12 of 26
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the sad part of all of this is that I coach and I run a tuning business....  Last year I hooked a gate that resulted in a separated shoulder and three broken ribs.  When I got on the scale at the doctors office I was shocked.  So over the summer I worked my tail off in the pool and on the bike trails.  I scared the hell out of myself the first time on skis this year with my first turn.

 

Anyways, I agree, a softer boot would allow you to transfer more weight yet you loose control at the edge.  I am running Scorpion 150s this year and I can say they are awesome, aside from getting them off.  As I am committed to my boot, I simply moved the piston plate and binding forward on the ski.  I am still thinking there may be some more to gain by moving, but that will have to wait.  On the flip side, I was shocked to be as fast as I was on my SL skis.  I guess going straight at the gates and over the ruts is not a bad thing.  Being lighter now, they are more stable at the faster speed and I am thinking that with a little work, they might be faster than a GS ski.... 

 

Is anyone running the new fisher boot?

post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by TuckerDH View Post

the sad part of all of this is that I coach and I run a tuning business....  Last year I hooked a gate that resulted in a separated shoulder and three broken ribs.  When I got on the scale at the doctors office I was shocked.  So over the summer I worked my tail off in the pool and on the bike trails.  I scared the hell out of myself the first time on skis this year with my first turn.

 

Anyways, I agree, a softer boot would allow you to transfer more weight yet you loose control at the edge.  I am running Scorpion 150s this year and I can say they are awesome, aside from getting them off.  As I am committed to my boot, I simply moved the piston plate and binding forward on the ski.  I am still thinking there may be some more to gain by moving, but that will have to wait.  On the flip side, I was shocked to be as fast as I was on my SL skis.  I guess going straight at the gates and over the ruts is not a bad thing.  Being lighter now, they are more stable at the faster speed and I am thinking that with a little work, they might be faster than a GS ski.... 

 

Is anyone running the new fisher boot?

 

If you're comfortable sharing, from what weight did you drop 60 lbs?

 

 

Anyway, if you're more flexible now being lighter, maybe you can squeeze more angulation into your turns to tighten them up?
 

 

post #14 of 26
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I went from 275 to 215....
post #15 of 26
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And I am 6'4" tall
post #16 of 26

Oh wow.

post #17 of 26

So, he's not going to have a problem with 150's.  My daughter raced on 110's and only weighed 120.  

post #18 of 26
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the sad part of all of this is that I coach and I run a tuning business....  Last year I hooked a gate that resulted in a separated shoulder and three broken ribs.  When I got on the scale at the doctors office I was shocked.  So over the summer I worked my tail off in the pool and on the bike trails.  I scared the hell out of myself the first time on skis this year with my first turn.

 

Anyways, I agree, a softer boot would allow you to transfer more weight yet you loose control at the edge.  I am running Scorpion 150s this year and I can say they are awesome, aside from getting them off.  As I am committed to my boot, I simply moved the piston plate and binding forward on the ski.  I am still thinking there may be some more to gain by moving, but that will have to wait.  On the flip side, I was shocked to be as fast as I was on my SL skis.  I guess going straight at the gates and over the ruts is not a bad thing.  Being lighter now, they are more stable at the faster speed and I am thinking that with a little work, they might be faster than a GS ski.... 

 

Is anyone running the new fisher boot?


 


 yeah, that was why I was a bit surprised at you posing the question!  smile.gif

 

I actually thought the same thing about losing control with a softer boot and stuck with 150 Dobies for the last 5 years.  Switched to a 130 Atomic this year and has been a huge improvement in slalom.  On a GS ski it felt a bit strange at first  having less direct force and I am still getting dialled in to it but, net effect is I am faster and have better control on the softer boot.  (Still i am 50# lighter than you and a lot shorter!.)  Good enough to move me up to class wins this season

 

I have also been mounting a bit forward for a few years now, just feels better for me. 

post #19 of 26
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 yeah, that was why I was a bit surprised at you posing the question!  smile.gif

 

I actually thought the same thing about losing control with a softer boot and stuck with 150 Dobies for the last 5 years.  Switched to a 130 Atomic this year and has been a huge improvement in slalom.  On a GS ski it felt a bit strange at first  having less direct force and I am still getting dialled in to it but, net effect is I am faster and have better control on the softer boot.  (Still i am 50# lighter than you and a lot shorter!.)  Good enough to move me up to class wins this season

 

I have also been mounting a bit forward for a few years now, just feels better for me. 

 

If there is one thing I have learned in my years....   There is something new everyday that someone may be able to teach you.  I do attend many clinics and lessons through the year, but I have found you never know when you may learn your next trick... 

 

I am going try do the first run on my sl skis and the second run on my gs skis.  I am curious to see what the results will be come the end on the year. 

 


 

 

post #20 of 26

Another thought... if you find that SL skis are better in this course for you, giver your height, weight, ability, then maybe a full GS ski just isn't the best ski.  Perhaps a cheater ski with a high-teens radius might be a happy medium, and faster than both skis you are currently using.

 

Just a thought.

post #21 of 26
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I went from 275 to 215....


 



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And I am 6'4" tall


At that size I'd thing you could still be rocking the stiffest skis and boots available if they are to your liking.  Skis and boots aren't really made for people much bigger than 225 off the rack. 

post #22 of 26

I would also not discount that the issue (or part of it) may just be your adjusting to your newest piece of equipment - your body - and that you may need to do things a bit differently such as timing, weight transfers, etc. etc. in addition to your binding mount location to optimize your times. At 215 pounds, I am not sure that the earlier suggestions on women's skis still make as much sense - that may be a solution, but I would not guess so. I would go through a week or 2 of drills, etc. on your current GS skis to get your thinner body dialed into your skiing. The forces you generate, your timing, strength??, etc. may all have changed.

post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 

It is going to be a struggle as the only thing that I am able to use from last year is my helmet and poles.  Everything is different, including boots, and every little change is effecting my skiing.  I ended up taking the older atomic plate and binding that you can adjust and mounted that to my ski so I could play with position.  Now that I have the skis acting correctly, I tried my boots from last year and that really made things worse.  They are just way too sloppy and I can feel the ski moving regardless of my foot.  

 

I guess with the change of mass I did not think I was going to see such a drastic change.  Totally caught me by surprise because if anything, I thought I would be faster.  Hell, I dropped 6 sizes in my pants alone...   

 

It will be interesting to see where things end up this year especially when I put the suit on... 

 

In regards to the cheater ski, I have a pair but I have never really like them for some reason...  They would crank, but I never thought they were strong on the edge...  Anyone try the stockli this year?

 

Please know that I appreciate all of the advice.  It is true, that you can teach an old dog new tricks.... 

post #24 of 26
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My 0.02 is to keep the weight off... that's much better for your overall health.


 

 


Only if the weight loss is body fat and not muscle. It is never good for an athlete to lose muscle mass (maybe with the exception of a marathon runner LOL). I've seen a lot of "skinny fat" people - they look thin and in shape in their street clothes, but see them in in workout clothes, swim suit etc. they aren't in very good shape and actually have a high bodyfat % for their overall weight.

 

As others have said, their are plenty of elite athletes out there that would be considered "obese" using the stupid BMI index, but their mass is from muscle & bone, and they actually have single digit body fat % and are way healthier than the typical "skinny fat" person.

 

People should stop worrying what their bathroom scale reads, and be more concerned what their total bodyfat % is.

 

 

 

 

 

post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by TuckerDH View Post

the sad part of all of this is that I coach and I run a tuning business....  Last year I hooked a gate that resulted in a separated shoulder and three broken ribs.  When I got on the scale at the doctors office I was shocked.  So over the summer I worked my tail off in the pool and on the bike trails.  I scared the hell out of myself the first time on skis this year with my first turn.

 

Anyways, I agree, a softer boot would allow you to transfer more weight yet you loose control at the edge.  I am running Scorpion 150s this year and I can say they are awesome, aside from getting them off.  As I am committed to my boot, I simply moved the piston plate and binding forward on the ski.  I am still thinking there may be some more to gain by moving, but that will have to wait.  On the flip side, I was shocked to be as fast as I was on my SL skis.  I guess going straight at the gates and over the ruts is not a bad thing.  Being lighter now, they are more stable at the faster speed and I am thinking that with a little work, they might be faster than a GS ski.... 

 

Is anyone running the new fisher boot?

For a course such as NASTAR, a fischer sc is WAY faster than a fischer, blizzard or volkl gs ski.
 

 

post #26 of 26
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I have taken my GS skis and put them back in the rack this year....  I am about two seconds faster on my SL given the tight gate sets we use in NASTAR.  I ground a 4 degree bevel on the side and the only place I find myself wishing I was on a GS ski is the last two gates.  Now that the ski will hold going in tighter than a GS ski and over the ruts, I go straight at the gates while not being late... 

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