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Wagner Custom Powder skis

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Skier:
5'10'', 180lbs, advanced intermediate, loves  skiing powder and most untracked soft snow, medium turn size, moderate speeds, when conditions cooperate can go slightly faster but never drops cliffs or straightlines chutes - all in all a typical intermediate skier.

Previous skis: 192 Lotus 138, 186 Lhasa Pow. Loved the 138s because of their flotation capabilities and surfiness, disliked their limited application inbounds on tracked out or hard snow. Also, the skis seemed to encourage a more chargy, aggressive style.
Loved the Lhasa's for their performance in mixed resort conditions still found them not good enough for groomer/bump skiing while lacking the incredible surfiness and fun factor of the 138s.

Thus, I decided to make a pair of custom skis from Wagner. You can find more info here: wagnerskis.com Speaking of my experience with him I can only say that it is as good as it gets. Not only the customer service is fabulous but also the skis surpassed all my expectations.

The skis:

187, 148-122-129, tip rocker (quite long something like 30 cm with a small splay), tail rocker (about two times shorter with about the same amount of splay), medium-soft flex throughout the whole ski, 35 m turn radius. Carbon stringers to save the weight and add snappiness.
It is worth saying here that we've had quite a bit of discussion with Pete regarding the flex. My ego was telling me stiff but Pete based on my skier DNA insisted on a really soft flex. Man, was he right.

The skis are the best powder skis of traditional shape i've ever been on. They have about 95% of powder surfiness of the Lotus 138. I do not know how to describe their feel in soft untracked but it was like you could make any turn shape at any time with absolutely minimal effort. Moreover, despite being soft they just crave to go faster and faster and make you feel all the more confident the faster you go. I have to say this again  - in anything soft and utracked they kill it like no other ski and give me the kind of confidence i've never experienced before. They encourage you to stay centered and you can vary turn shape just by  changing the balance. More weight on the toes and it makes faster GS-style turn. Then push the heels and the ski pivots with an unbelievable ease, kinda like a spatula-type ski.

In resort mixed conditions they are pretty manageable, hold edge on ice and eat up softer bumps and crud. Still I believe there are better skis for inbounds conditions. They are quite slow edge to edge and are more work than fun in marginal conditions.

One more thing that should be mentioned is the durability of the skis. I've hit a few submerged rocks on one of my first days on the skis and was shocked since all I got were a few smallish scratches. The bases are BOMBER and race stock fast at the same time.

So, would I use them for catskiing and heliskiing?
For sure, they are my number one choice, ahead of many R/R skis i've tried before simply because they are made right for me and I feel so right on them.

Would I use them for resort skiing?

May be, but only on the deepest days and when I know there will be no hard crud/bumps/ice since the skis clearly don't like these conditions.

Why did I write all this about a custom ski?
Just because I wanted to let people know about yet another small american based ski company that makes fabulous skis which are well worth the money. Also, this ski  is what I believe is a great design for intermediate skiers seeking for the ultimate bottomless powder tool.

post #2 of 15

Cool beans, custom skis are always cool. Glad to hear they worked out for you.

post #3 of 15

Wagner's are frickin works of art!  So beautiful, I'm not sure I could ski on them?

post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
Exactly my thoughts - it took me sometime to convince myself to click into those beauties.smile.gif
post #5 of 15

Pics (incl camber profile)? Inquiring minds want to see smile.gif

post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

I will as soon as i get to the camera.

Btw, skied them yesterday in some tracked out powder/softer crud. As long as you stay centered the ski rails (but it takes a lot of angulation to put those 122 mm on edge). The rockered tip doesn't flip at all, feels like the ski is flowing over the snow, kinda like oil in water. -))

post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 

After having skied them for quite some time, I would like to point out a few things.

 

First of all, amazingly these skis are much more hard-charging than I have expected. In powder thanks to their slarveability they just push you to go faster faster - where I would normally be making 7-8 turns on a traditional fat ski I can easily make 3-4 on these beasts. They just slide carve across the fall line and eat up as much vertical as you could ever imagine. This leads me to conclusion that these skis are really made for big wideopen slopes - think Valdez heliskiing kind of stuff.

They are really great in deep untracked trees and you can easily maneuver there but they really come alive in wide-open bowl environment.

post #8 of 15

Just out of curiosity about how expensive were they?

post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 

They were 2k dollars. But I'd pay that money again in a heartbeat - the skis did a great job for me being a nice hybrid between the 138s and the Lhasa.

Will post the pics tomorrow.

post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

They were 2k dollars. But I'd pay that money again in a heartbeat - the skis did a great job for me being a nice hybrid between the 138s and the Lhasa.

Will post the pics tomorrow.

Holy. That's a lot of cheddar.
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

yepp, but that's the problem with most custom stuff - be that skis, golf clubs, or whatever.

 

post #12 of 15

In my opinion first impression : marketing and merchandise in the best magazines, websites, and more ....  best adjectives, but we are in a world of commodities where the service is above any product !!! ... I already sent 2 emails, one on 22.12.2013 and another on 14.01.2013 and had no answers ... I'm going to Telluride in a few days ... My question is : I'm going to visit a company that does not even answer emails? deserves my attention? a hi-tech company with a no working email ??

post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 

That's strange. Normally it took me no more than several hours to get response to my e-mails. Could be the guys are somewhere not being able to answer/not having access to the internet.

post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by DanielMA View Post

In my opinion first impression : marketing and merchandise in the best magazines, websites, and more ....  best adjectives, but we are in a world of commodities where the service is above any product !!! ... I already sent 2 emails, one on 22.12.2013 and another on 14.01.2013 and had no answers ... I'm going to Telluride in a few days ... My question is : I'm going to visit a company that does not even answer emails? deserves my attention? a hi-tech company with a no working email ??

update:

 

after waiting a long time for reply, Pete told me, and to my surprise he was extremely attentive, concerned about all my questions honestly about the service, which until then was my only dissatisfaction, my opinion changed absurdly!! First impression overcome!!

post #15 of 15

BUMP

 

Apparently Wagner made the final cut for an AT&T small business contest called Real Stories Video.  The Wagner video is one of six two-minute videos.  Good way to learn what they do.  Wagner is based at Telluride.

 

Online voting goes until mid-November, no registration required.  Grand prize is $20,000, half to the video creator and half to the business featured.  As of 11/8, a dairy is in the lead by quite a bit.

 

https://bizcircle.att.com/real-stories-video-contest-2016/

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