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Want to buy my first pair of SKIs (similar to Nordica Fire Arrow 74)

post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 

Hi guys,

 

My Skiing Background

I am new to the forum as well as to skiing :-) Well, I started to SKI in Michigan 3 years ago (with 27). The second year I went to Austria Lech Zuers, and then to Vail where I had a 2 day private lesson which helped me so much (should have done it earlier). I did shit in my pants after skiing only in Michigan and then going to Austria the next year - but I survived it somehow...

 

This year I am getting serious about skiing. No rental equipment anymore. So, I bought my "custom" ski boots and now I am ready to buy a good intermediate SKI. So, what I did: I started to demo skis. Try before you buy...

 

I describe myself as an beginner to intermediate skier, for sure not expert. Sking in Michigan all slopes, but in Austria only blues (no blacks) and in Vail blues very comfy and some blacks.

 

The way I like to Ski

I like to practice on my technique, especially the frontside carving. So, I am not really looking for an All-Mountain ski (as probably most people do nowadays), I rather look for the softer slalom ski, with snappy, quick turns, easy to initiate turns (can be all the way camber - does not need any fancy rocker). I am a slow skier with short turns and definitely not a fast skier - I like a lot of turns - I need to practice them.

 

My Size

I am....

6 feet - 180 lbs - 30 years old

 

SKIs I tried this year

I demoed 4 skis so far this season

 

  • Nordica 80 Tempest - 170cm (hard to turn - probably too much waist)
  • Rossignol Experience 83 - 168cm (worst ski of all and very boring ski - no quick turns possible for me)
  • Nordica Fire Arrow 74 - 164cm (awesome ski)
  • Volkl 75 IS - 173cm (a lot of trouble turning with that ski - probably too long for me)

 

I did hate all demos except the Nordica Fire Arrow 74. Is there any other SKI I should demo which would be similar to the Fire Arrow 74? The other ones were hard to turn for me and too long to my taste.

 

I think I do like super narrow skis (70 to 75 mm waist but probably due to my weight they need to be stiffer). However, I need a quick turning ski because I am just learning how to carve.

 

Any help or suggestions would be great.

 

Thanks guys!

post #2 of 5

Hi - Welcome to Epic. You're about average weight and taller than average, so not sure you need a "stiffer" ski unless that's your personal preference, but you'll be happiest on something in the 170-175 cm length unless you're actually getting a race SL ski. Which would not be a lot of fun in softer snow, even on groomers. It would help if you said why you hated all the skis except the Firearrow. I wonder if part of its allure was how short it was for someone your size. So it probably felt very easy to turn. All good, except that as you improve and begin to ski faster, or with longer radius turns sometimes, you'll overpower a recreational ski that short. 

 

Some other suggestions, in the order I think you'd like them: Blizzard Sonic or Supersonic, Head MTX, Stockli Laser CX, Kastle MX70.  Each of these can carve up a groomer, but has the capability to handle a bit of soft snow or bumps if you encounter them. (Colorado and Austria have been known to get powder, y'know.) Each will be a bit demanding for you right now, but will grow with you nicely if you keep taking lessons. None will be going on sale anytime soon, although the best deals will be for the Heads. 

 

Good luck. 

post #3 of 5
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your reply.

 

I did not like the other SKIs mentioned above because I had a "hard time" (relatively) turning with them. I think especially because they were longer.

 

The 83mm Rossis were the worst of all. Turn initiation (Agility) was really not easy. The Tempest 80mm were better but definitely not as quick and snappy as the Fire Arrow 74.

 

The Volk were not bad ski but with 173cm too long for my skill level or taste. I was able to initiate turns easily on them but sometimes both skis crossed each other at the tip level so I almost fell several times when I tried quick fast turns. I do not ski long radius (rather quick short turns) to improve my carving skills.

 

I guess I am not so confident yet on the wider skis but I was very surprised when I read after demoing the skis that the fire arrows are High Performance skis which should be way above my skill level. But they were the easiest SKIs to ski I ever had in my life. Probably the combination of a narrow waist and the short ski made me feel very happy.

 

I agree with you that a longer SKI would be better for me in the long term but I never felt comfy on the longer SKIs. Maybe it is just a mental issues I have and I should give longer SKIs a chance.

 

On the other hand I read that if you want to improve your skiing technique you should always go for the narrower and shorter SKIs. Maybe this is what I need right now for a couple years.

 

I will check out your suggestions and I have already compiled a list of SKIs which I might like, and some of the ones on my list were the ones you listed. Here are my picks so far which I have not demoed yet:

 

 

Atomic

Atomic Blackeye Ti - 123/82/108.5  15.5@167 (All-Mountain)

Atomic Smoke Ti - 121/77/105 14.5@164 (All-Mountain)

Atomic D2 VF 75 - 126/75/111 13@166 (Frontside)

Atomic D2 VF 73 - 120/73/105 14@167 (Frontside)

 

 

Blizzard

Blizzard Magnum 7.6 - 124/76/107  - 163 (All-Mountain)

Blizzard Magnum 7.4 - 121/74/104  - 163 (All-Mountain)

Blizzard G-Force Ultrasonic - 123/73/105  - 15@167 (Frontside)

Blizzard G-Force Supersonic - 123/72/105  - 15@167 (Frontside)

 

Dynastar

Dymastar Outland 80 - 126/80/110 - 15@165 (All-Mountain)

Dymastar Outland 75 XT - 120/75/110 - 15@166 (All-Mountain)

Dynastar Speed Cross Pro - 121/72/105 - 14.5@165(Frontside)

Dynastar Speed Grove - 119/67/102 - 12 @ 165 (Frontside)

 

 

Head

Head X-Shape MTX  - 125/72/109  12.9@ 163

Head X-Shape STX PR  - 124/68/108    12.1 @ 163

 
 

Fischer

Progressor 800 - 122/74/123 12@165

Progressor 700

Fischer Motive 74 - 120/74/104 15@165 (All-Mountain)

 

K2

K2 Charger - 122/74/106- 15m @ 167 (All-Mountain)

K2 Impact - 122/80/109

 

 

 
 

 

post #4 of 5

 

I have a BRAND NEW pair of the Green Fire Arrow 80 skis in a 172cm, with bindings.... they are still in the original shrink wrap, and are in pristine condition.... yours for only $650 !! I live in the MD, PA, WV, VA state area.... you can come look at them, or I can meet you....

 

Keith

 

 

post #5 of 5

 

I have a BRAND NEW pair of the Green Fire Arrow 80 skis in a 172cm, with bindings.... they are still in the original shrink wrap, and are in pristine condition.... yours for only $650 !! I live in the MD, PA, WV, VA state area.... you can come look at them, or I can meet you....

 

Keith

 

 

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