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Just been shopping, stoked but a little worried...

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

 

I'm fortunate enough to be heading to niseko in japan for three months, as a result i went shopping yesterday and ended up with a new kit including some atomic bent chetlers 183cm. Feeling a whole lot poorer but also pretty stoked with the new gear, however i am a little concerned with the length though after reading bit more on the net... and seeing other threads etc. advising smaller/lighter people to go with the 192cm size of the same ski.

 

I am 185 or (~6'1") and weigh 105kg (~230lbs) and are  beginner to intermediate, confident on blues and pushed myself on blacks, however also haven't skied in three/four seasons. Previously I have only rented gear and done maybe a dozen or so trips to the snow, albeit in what we call snow in australia (mt buller)

 

I was sold these skis, the guy said it was the biggest they came (I was shopping in tokyo, so i guess they don't cater for my size). They're definitely 2012 models given the graphics as I understand the earlier models only came in one size.

 

In short, are they too short? if so what are the consequences? how will it effect my skiing/progress? is it a case where i may 'grow' out of them as i improve/challenge myself further or will it effect my skiing from the get go?

 

This is my first post in this forum, so i just want to thank anyone in advance if they take the time to read and respond, any advice would be greatly appreciated. Apologies if its a bit longwinded.

post #2 of 21
Thread Starter 

apologies, i just realised this should probably be in the beginner zone forum pages, not sure how to move it.

post #3 of 21
given you're weight, these might be a bit short, but then you also are not an expert yet, so these should work. as you improve, they will probably start feeling a bit short, though. it also all depends on what you will be using these. tree skiing should be fine on these, but more open high speed skiing will not be as stable as on the 192. just my 0.02cents.
post #4 of 21

Right size, wrong ski.

 

SJ

post #5 of 21

yes, In Tokyo you'd fall outside the typical consumer's ski size. ha.

 

You can make those ski work if you are a soft snow focused skier, always looking for a little patch of pow. If you realize that when the skis are not working well, that you are in wait and search mode, checking the satellite shots online and watching the weather. When you're on firm snow, just throttle way back, and know that you will be ripping when things improve. Work with the ski and how it performs. And when it dumps, primo.

 

Learning to develop from intermediate with those skis is another issue. I don't know how that goes.  If you need another ski to learn something, you will still have the Bents and grow into them, technically.

post #6 of 21

@SJ: Just sort of curious what you meant by the Bents being the wrong ski? Do you mean they're too much for an intermediate skier? Thnx.

post #7 of 21

Sig, it's a pretty soft ski for a guy as big as you, but should work for Niseko. If you were an expert skier, going long is alway good up north. The skiing isn't technical, and not particularly steep, but it is phenominal. At your current ability level, being a little short should be fine. In the future, don't buy skis in Tokyo. There's nothing wrong with mail order a la a place like telemark pyrenees or similar, and there's a nice little odd shop down the hill in Kutchan (Takeuchi?) that will have longer lengths of powder skis for sale that you won't find in Tokyo. Niseko 242 across from the convenience store in Hirafu also demos skis, so toward the end of your stay when you're skiing more solidly you can explore other ski options. Takanashi-san at Toryu might also demo skis. 

 

(Apologies to the shop owners here for suggesting mail order, but the longest lengths of many ski models are often not imported or are only available in a couple of shops in Hokkaido.) 

 

 

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

 When you're on firm snow, just throttle way back...



Firm snow... Hokkaido. It's very rare. smile.gif

post #9 of 21

A counterpoint:  The guy is going to Niseko for 3 months!  My brother went to ski there couple years ago and from what I heard from him it is basically light powder snow in the woods all the time.  A fat soft rockered ski with some camber underfoot will be an asset for everyone almost regardless of ability in that kind of conditions.  I would never recommend a Bent Chetler for a beginner, but maybe it is not such a wrong choice in this particular situation.  I would agree on a length, shorter is better for a non-expert.    Now, someone buy me a ticket to Japan to ski all that snow!  Apparently this is what skiing Niseko looks like:

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post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

A counterpoint:  The guy is going to Niseko for 3 months!  My brother went to ski there couple years ago and from what I heard from him it is basically light powder snow in the woods all the time.  A fat soft rockered ski with some camber underfoot will be an asset for everyone almost regardless of ability in that kind of conditions.  I would never recommend a Bent Chetler for a beginner, but maybe it is not such a wrong choice in this particular situation.  I would agree on a length, shorter is better for a non-expert.    Now, someone buy me a ticket to Japan to ski all that snow!  Apparently this is what skiing Niseko looks like:

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And that's only around the the most skied out area in the whole place. smile.gif

 

post #11 of 21

Too much?....no not at all. Wrong design parameter for an all around ski unless all that you are prioritizing is the deep stuff. Any ski with a more moderate width and design profile will serve you well as an everyday ski. For example, I wouldn't go anywhere on earth that was lift served with a BC or anything comparable as my only ski. Naturally, if you can count on knee deep snow all day every day, that type of ski is a reasonable choice. However if you are talking about any kind of mixte salad conditions, you could do much better with a ski that is perhaps 100mm (+ or -) and with maybe some tip rocker. Is that type of ski as good in knee deep or more more?....no....of course not. However, that (100mm + or -)  would be better in everything that was less than knee deep.

 

Powder skiing is really pretty easy and within reason, is much more skier related than ski related. If you have the skeeeeelz then the ski will not not be an epiphany. If you don't, then the "powder": ski can help you in the deep, but will penalize you in terms of daily driver characteristics. I would happily travel the world with a Nordica Hell & Back, Blizzard Bonafide, Atomic Coax, or Salomon Shogun (among many others) I would not travel the world with a BC.

 

SJ

post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 

thanks alot for the replies, just arrived in niseko and its been dumping and it looks amazing. Sounds like my ski choice may not have been conventional but might not have been all that bad. I guess now that i've got them theres no going back. Will probably test them out tomorrow, pending not too much wind and the lifts open. btw the snow i've seen so far is incredibly soft.

 

 

 

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Too much?....no not at all. Wrong design parameter for an all around ski unless all that you are prioritizing is the deep stuff. Any ski with a more moderate width and design profile will serve you well as an everyday ski. For example, I wouldn't go anywhere on earth that was lift served with a BC or anything comparable as my only ski. Naturally, if you can count on knee deep snow all day every day, that type of ski is a reasonable choice. However if you are talking about any kind of mixte salad conditions, you could do much better with a ski that is perhaps 100mm (+ or -) and with maybe some tip rocker. Is that type of ski as good in knee deep or more more?....no....of course not. However, that (100mm + or -)  would be better in everything that was less than knee deep.

 

Powder skiing is really pretty easy and within reason, is much more skier related than ski related. If you have the skeeeeelz then the ski will not not be an epiphany. If you don't, then the "powder": ski can help you in the deep, but will penalize you in terms of daily driver characteristics. I would happily travel the world with a Nordica Hell & Back, Blizzard Bonafide, Atomic Coax, or Salomon Shogun (among many others) I would not travel the world with a BC.

 

SJ

 

Yes, well in my opinion you are wildly wrong. And in the opinion of a lot of other people who are traveling with exactly that class of ski.

 

The Bent Chetler is a fine choice. Anything narrower for Japan would be lunacy IMO.
 

 

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

 

Yes, well in my opinion you are wildly wrong. And in the opinion of a lot of other people who are traveling with exactly that class of ski.

 

The Bent Chetler is a fine choice. Anything narrower for Japan would be lunacy IMO.
 

 



Lunacy of course would be your specialty.

 

SJ

post #15 of 21

Ok, thanks for the awsome explanation, SJ.

For what the OP is doing, I think he'll still have a good time on them, though, especially in Japan.

post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 

hi guys, used them for the first time yesterday, loved them. spent most of the morning finding my ski legs on the groomers, seemed to turn and respond without any dramas, explored a little between the trees and found some fresh snow and they just floated, however its definitely a skiing style i need to learn a bit more about. The sun came out and its was quite warm for a bit then the arvo the clouds came back in and it cooled again leaving some icy patches. I found the skis to be fine.

 

I'm pretty happy so far, not that i'd know any different apart form the rental skis i have used. I found my ski legs pretty quickly, but i think it'll be my skill holding me back for quite some time before the skis do.

 

In any case, thanks for the feedback and happy skiing. :)

 

post #17 of 21

Glad the skis are working for you. I think 9 should be a good din for you, I'm at 7, but I only weigh 145lbs.

post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post

Glad the skis are working for you. I think 9 should be a good din for you, I'm at 7, but I only weigh 145lbs.



Get your DIN set properly, find the din chart for your bindings and then set it according to height, weight, bsl, and skier type. Don't just pick a number that sounds right. ACLs are nice to have.

post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 

you mention finding a din chart for the bindings, I thought din was a standard, i.e. same chart/din settings regardless of the bindings?

post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Bielz View Post



Get your DIN set properly, find the din chart for your bindings and then set it according to height, weight, bsl, and skier type. Don't just pick a number that sounds right. ACLs are nice to have.



Ok, good point, Bielz. Definately worth going through some extra effort to save your ACL.

 

post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by tobyceff View Post

you mention finding a din chart for the bindings, I thought din was a standard, i.e. same chart/din settings regardless of the bindings?



 

 

As I understand it the din setting is the force needed to make it release, and this is consistent throughout bindings. But different brands have different opinions on what force is considered safe and are thus slightly different.. This could have to do with physics of the release being different in a marker toe piece as opposed to the look toe, it could also be insurance related, or just to be contrary. I just set it to the manufacter I'm using.

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