I finally broke down and bought a new pair of boots, tecnica demon 130's. on the measuring board my length is between the 27.5 and 28 mark. The first kid that fit me suggested the 27.5, and they seemed ok but I didn't buy them at that point. When I went back the other day I had a different fitter, he jammed me into a 27 boot and said that it was a good fit and that its the same size shell as the 27.5. They seemed ok when he heated them and I walked around for a couple minutes so I bought them. I skied on them for the first time yesturday and am not so sure about my decision now, my arches were killing me for several runs and my toes were cold after 2 hours and it was 35 out! My toes are pushed right to the end of the liner with no room to spare. Im not sure if they put me in the 27 because they sold out of the 27.5 or if they just thought it was a better fit. Should I try these out for a few more days or return them? The shop has a 30 day return policy on boots.
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I think I got sold into boots that are to small?post #2 of 91/3/12 at 8:36pm
27 and 27.5 are the exact same boot. sorry but you did not get jammed into anything other than your own preconceived notions. perhaps you still have the paper wad in the toe box........
buying the boot based on one dimension, the length on the mondopoint sizer, means that you are buying the boot on one dimension.
there is lots of good info in the wiki's about how to get the correct boot fit for your foot shape and size.
your concern about arch pain and cold feet, may have nothing to do with the length of the 130 demon on your foot.
did you bring your feet with you when you tried them on in the shop?,what is the width of your forefoot?, what is the size of your heel-instep-parameter?, what is your ankle range of motion like?, how long did you ski on these new boots?, are you a back-seat ranger?, what kind of footbed are you using in the boot?, what instructions did the shop give you in terms of how to get your heel into the back of the boot, and how to buckle the boot so that your heel stays there?, where, what and how are you skiing? what kind of skis do you have? are they tuned for the conditions that you are skiing?
answer any or all of these questions and we might be able to give you some concrete advice.
jimpost #3 of 91/4/12 at 12:02am
in over 20 years fitting boots i think i can say that i have seen only a handful of boots that were physically too small.....if they were, you simply wouldn't have left the shop
there are plenty of shops out there willing to tell you boots are too small (mostly to sell you a new set a size too big) the 2 biggest things that make boots feel too small are ankle joint range of motion and bad technique!
there are also many other factors like how you clip the boot, the footbed, the break in, the liner, the volume/width/height etc that Jim alluded to which will also affect the outcome
maybe you should take them to a boot fitter rather than a boot seller (which to be honest sounds like the person you saw) get a decent footbed and some adjustments and all, i feel will probably be well, at least then if they are wrong you can still take them back to the "seller" within the 30 dayspost #4 of 91/4/12 at 6:27am
I will echo much of what start house said.
Read the WIKI "Which boot will work for me" at the top of "Ask the boot guy's"and do a "shell check".
Trust that if you have the right amount of space behind your heel, when you do the shell check the boot is the right size.
If this will help you any, I measure 28.25 on a mondo board and ski in a boot marked 27.0, my toes don't touch and I can eat lunch in them buckled, no pain. So as crazy as this may seem your boots may be to big.
By the way, be sure to buckle the ankle buckle (second from top) as tight as you can stand, or the liner will slide forward and jam your toes into the front of the shell. If you feel your calf being pushed by the back (top) of the boot cuff (back seater), your foot will be pushed forward.
Edited by miketsc - 1/4/12 at 7:00ampost #5 of 91/4/12 at 7:44amThread Starter
Thanks guys for your replies, first off let me say this is obviously my first pair of performance boots. I dont work in the industry so I don't know what questions to ask the fitter, I dont know how tight is too tight or too loose. Is the stock footbed that bad, because they sure cost alot?! The shell was measured for my foot at the shop and they told me it was a great fit for my foot, but wouldn't the 27.5 liner give me a little more wiggle room in the toes? do i not want any wiggle room? I don't think i am a backseater probably more of a neutral stance. Ive never noticed a lot of pressure on the back of my calves or on my shins. I ski 99.9% of the time in the northeast on volkl AC50's on piste.post #6 of 91/4/12 at 8:38am
yes the stock insole is really that bad, to say it is no better than carpet tile is an insult to carpet tiles, to see the effect of not having a footbed try this, sit with your foot nice and straight relaxed with minimal weight on it and put a mark on a piece of paper where your toe ends (you may want to get someone else do this), now stand up and put a new mark on the paper, if it is more than a mm or 2 further forward than the first mark this is how much your foot is moving as you stand on it....now think about the amount of pressure you put through the foot when you ski and you will see why we need to support the foot in its best position this can explain both the arch pain and the toe on the front of the boot (assuming all other dimensions are correct and you are not surfing in the back seat)
there is no difference between the liners in 27.0 and 27.5 other than the thickness of the stock insole, all this does is make the boot feel a little narrower and tighter top to bottom for the first day or 2 till it squashes down to the same thickness as the piece of foam in the the bigger size
re questions, most of them will probably be answered in the wiki that mike suggested you read, but a new boot should feel like you want just a little more room for your foot in its new state this is as tight as it will ever be, far better to be having to make it bigger in places than to be trying to make it smaller if it is too bigpost #7 of 91/4/12 at 10:13amThread Starterpost #8 of 91/4/12 at 10:32am
if you are really tight for cash then try a pair of superfeet off the shelf inserts, either the green or the blue depending on your arch profile, they have a 60 day money back guarantee so worth a shot if nothing else if you can stretch the extra $ then a well made custom insert is a great investment, where are you based, can you get to one of the recommended fitters, if not we may be able to recommend someone close to you, but a badly made custom insole is worse than no insole at all sop select the fitter wiselypost #9 of 91/4/12 at 10:41amThread Starter
Thanks for all your input CEM. I will check them out. Ive looked at the recommended bootfitters on here and the closest is a couple hours away. Does anyone know of a compitent fitter in New Hampshire? Or better yet tell me how to know what i'm asking for....
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