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post #181 of 422

 

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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

Get over yourself, Finn. I'm sorry you're injured, but I don't see why a discussion of ski helmets is of less value than any other topic. In fact it's more important than most topics discussed here. 

 

Why do bitchy, broken "vets" need to chastise others for talking seriously about a serious subject? You and Don Denver need to get a room. It's sickening to see you guys stroking each other so lovingly in this public forum. Please, do us a favor and use the private message feature. Thank you.


Whoa.  I for one am sorry for any displeasure I may have evinced over this thread.  I hadn't realized the value that many - including some long-time and highly respected posters - here obtained from the "Yeah, I wear one, and they're warm" responses.  In the future I'll read every one of these, and gain insight and inspiration from people telling me why they wear helmets since, from what I gather here, apparently there are some who still don't.  

 

Peace.

post #182 of 422
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post


 


Here it is again.  Your anger is palpable.  The use of a slang term respondIng to a comment made in jest soley to give you an opportunity to step back off the ledge.  Wow, I can see your face blood red over that keyboard.

 

Is it you feel you're not being heard?  Do you want people who don't wear helmets to admit they're stupid for not doing so?  Is this the thread you hope to finally have that conclusion?

 

You have demonstrated yet again why these helmet threads go nowhere and why I elect as I can to have some tongue in cheek fun.  

 

Way too serious.  You are now on my ignore list. Get that last word in if you must but please put me on your IL as well icon14.gif

 

 


I don't want to ignore you. I'm not angry. I've expressed my opinion regarding your posts in this thread. Maybe I shouldn't have done so. I appreciate the feedback I've received from you. Thanks, and thumbs up yours, DonD! icon14.gif

 

post #183 of 422
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

 


Whoa.  I for one am sorry for any displeasure I may have evinced over this thread.  I hadn't realized the value that many - including some long-time and highly respected posters - here obtained from the "Yeah, I wear one, and they're warm" responses.  In the future I'll read every one of these, and gain insight and inspiration from people telling me why they wear helmets since, from what I gather here, apparently there are some who still don't.  

 

Peace.

You don't have to read or respond. That's all I'm trying to say. Belittling those who wish to address the topic of ski helmets is not seemly and does not add to the discussion.

post #184 of 422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

 


Whoa.  I for one am sorry for any displeasure I may have evinced over this thread.  I hadn't realized the value that many - including some long-time and highly respected posters - here obtained from the "Yeah, I wear one, and they're warm" responses.  In the future I'll read every one of these, and gain insight and inspiration from people telling me why they wear helmets since, from what I gather here, apparently there are some who still don't.  

 

Peace.


Pretty sure this wins "Big Word of the Day"

 

post #185 of 422

Y'all need to chill out....

step back from the keyboard and say: "I'm in a helmet thread..I'm in a helmet thread..."

 

The solution to this problem was done in 1972. The Thing with Two Heads.

 

"Who would've suspected that neither would have cared for the idea too much?"

(uh...note they're riding a motorcycle with no helmet...)

God, those North Americans!

 

http://youtu.be/irQf50m5Jvw


Edited by Tog - 1/8/12 at 7:31pm
post #186 of 422
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

 

If you want to debate if they actually do any good, the lack of useful standards in snow sport helmets

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Check out ASTM F2040-11, CEN 1077, Snell RS-98/S-98 standards. Pretty clear.

 

post #187 of 422

Not sure how practically useful this standard is:

 

http://www.smf.org/standards/ski/rs98std

 

It's basic impact and making sure the thing stays on your head.

Plus, there's 1 helmet that has been certified, for the S-98 standard:

Vigor Sports, Inc. Zero-G    

 

 

You have to pay to read this standard: (seems a little ridiculous)

 

 

F2040 - 11

F = materials for specific applications;

2040 = assigned sequential number

11 = year of original adoption (or, in the case of revision, the year of last revision)

ASTM F2040 - 11 Standard Specification for Helmets Used for Recreational Snow Sports

Active Standard ASTM F2040 Developed by Subcommittee: F08.53 |Book of Standards Volume: 15.07

 

 

more info 4 pages $ 35.00
more info 4 pages $ 35.00

http://www.astm.org/Standards/F2040.htm

 

 

maybe this would be some bedtime reading:

 

http://www.astm.org/BOOKSTORE/PUBS/STP1525.htm

 

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STP 1525


Skiing Trauma and Safety: 18th Volume


Editor(s): Robert J. Johnson; Jasper E. Shealy; Ing Veit Senner

Pages: 316

Published: 2011

Soft Cover

Shipping & Handling

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Print Price: $92  
Print +
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post #188 of 422

Not sure what "practical" means. The question was are there any real standards. There are. Even the ASTM is pretty comprehensive if you have to design to meet all the criteria in the actual specification. It's been developed for those who wish to design/produce certified product. When you see and CEE or SNELL sticker inside it means that it was designed and verified to meet that criteria. A manufacturer can choose one of several although the ASTM and SNELL are pretty close. FIS requires EN 1077, Grade A for competition, with a few deviations related to shell coverage for slalom events.

post #189 of 422

Hey bro' please don't be sorry I'm injured. I'm not, Shit happens.  I look at the never-ending helmet threads like this. You want a "do you wear a helmet thread?" fine, put it over in the nOOb section where it belongs as only people with less than 100 posts seem to post on it. It serves no purpose and if you search, there are already many out there with the same exact answers, "yes" and "no". 

 

There is also a helmet thread that has good data and discussion about the MERIT of helmets. How about discussing helmet features and benefits like vents, materials, fit etc?  This one doesn't address anything other than do you wear one. Seriously, who cares? I don't care if you wear one, what's the point; its a personal decision.  Does this thread  contribute something to the community? No, is it funny? NO, Is it educational? NO, it serves ZERO purpose. It's really just a troll post and its tolerated here.  


If you want a good thread, resurrect the old thread which has a lot of studies and other information that a person can reference and/or study and utilize or discuss which helmets are more comfortable, use better materials have unique features or that maybe suck. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post


Get over yourself, Finn. I'm sorry you're injured, but I don't see why a discussion of ski helmets is of less value than any other topic. In fact it's more important than most topics discussed here. 

 

Why do bitchy, broken "vets" need to chastise others for talking seriously about a serious subject? You and Don Denver need to get a room. It's sickening to see you guys stroking each other so lovingly in this public forum. Please, do us a favor and use the private message feature. Thank you.



 

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Edited by markojp - 1/9/12 at 9:45am
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Drunk posting without a helmet. I've been off the grid since Wed pm so i didn't see what went on but sorry, thanks for having my back mods (deleting post) and finndog (mutual friend). They say it takes one to know one, i've always been one if you know what I mean. DonD & Betsy are on my list of fun people I'd like to meet/ski with. I'll use more smilies next time.
 

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Jimmy, I am sure you are just justin' trees' balls here since he is just too GNAR for us here, I suggest he post this very important thread over on TGR and I will be happy to cross-post the thread.  However, just to be clear there are few better bears than Don (Betsy being one biggrin.gif)  This man saved me from a vicious bear attack in Steamboat last summer and I am forever in his debt.
 

 

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My helmet is Silver. wink.gif

Carry on

 

post #192 of 422

Welcome home! I am sure Don understands... 

 

Oh, Red......

post #193 of 422

Orange.

Where this thread is heading:

 

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Christopher Bobby / Tribune Chronicle via AP

 

Hazardous materials experts begin checking along the CSX railroad track off Center Street where a train derailed in Newton Falls, Ohio Monday, March 28, 2011. Fourteen freight cars derailed and authorities in northeast Ohio evacuated a neighborhood within 500 feet as a precaution as crews checked for any chemical leak

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_nv/more/section/archive?year=2011&month=3&ct=a&pc=25&sp=50

 

Ya know there's better uses for your keyboard:

 

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Jaime Saldarriaga / Reuters

A model presents a creation made with recycled materials during Ecofashion 2011 in Cali, Colombia on March 26, 2011

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_nv/more/section/archive?year=2011&month=3&ct=a&pc=25&sp=50

 


Keeping things on track:

 

cheesyhelmet.jpg

http://www.neonbubble.com/article/discontinued-food-and-drink

Cheesy Helmet
Sporting tie-ins are usually big business but Kraft’s marketing people’s best efforts only ever saw sales of the NFL-themed Cheesy Helmet perform well in the Wisconsin area leading to the product’s early withdrawal from supermarket shelves by 1973.

 


Edited by Tog - 1/9/12 at 1:22pm
post #194 of 422
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Originally Posted by Sinecure View Post

 

I have a helmet quiver. Although of the 5 or so that I own, at least two belong in the garbage can since they've been seriously dented in falls.


I would love to see pictures of those dents, along with the stories behind them. I've never actually seen a beat-to-hell helmet.

post #195 of 422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Hey bro' please don't be sorry I'm injured. I'm not, Shit happens.  I look at the never-ending helmet threads like this. You want a "do you wear a helmet thread?" fine, put it over in the nOOb section where it belongs as only people with less than 100 posts seem to post on it. It serves no purpose and if you search, there are already many out there with the same exact answers, "yes" and "no". 

 

There is also a helmet thread that has good data and discussion about the MERIT of helmets. How about discussing helmet features and benefits like vents, materials, fit etc?  This one doesn't address anything other than do you wear one. Seriously, who cares? I don't care if you wear one, what's the point; its a personal decision.  Does this thread  contribute something to the community? No, is it funny? NO, Is it educational? NO, it serves ZERO purpose. It's really just a troll post and its tolerated here.  


If you want a good thread, resurrect the old thread which has a lot of studies and other information that a person can reference and/or study and utilize or discuss which helmets are more comfortable, use better materials have unique features or that maybe suck. 

 

 



 


I don't understand why you have more posts in this thread than anyone else , yet you object so strongly to the topic.

 

Make a funny thread in the funny thread forum and leave this thread alone. That's my advice, but I'm sure you won't take it. I've chased Don and Bob away, why don't you go run off and play with them?

post #196 of 422

OK after perusing multiple, extended helmet threads but heretofore steadfastly refusing to post in them, I hereby give my one and only opinion (unless of course an irresistible set up line should occur wink.gif at some point in the future.)

 

1. I personally wear a helmet (now) because I find it more comfortable, warm and holds the goggles in place better than a cap.  In addition it MIGHT protect my head.

2. I find the scant data (on either side) SLIGHTLY more convincing that it protects my melon than that it increases the risk of sub-melon (ie neck) injuries (but again primary reason is number 1)

3. Do not believe helmet use should be mandated

post #197 of 422

 

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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
...I've chased Don and Bob away, why don't you go run off and play with them?

 

Au contraire, mon frére - as I mentioned previously:

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

 

...In the future I'll read every one of these, and gain insight and inspiration from people telling me why they wear helmets since, from what I gather here, apparently there are some who still don't.  

 

Peace.


And since I'm in:


Quote:
Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

You don't have to read or respond. That's all I'm trying to say. Belittling those who wish to address the topic of ski helmets is not seemly and does not add to the discussion.


Saying, "Yeah, I wear one, they're warm," doesn't add much to the conversation either, which was my original point.  But if that blows air up your skirt, that's cool.  

 

And since I'm on a roll, this is kind of awesome:

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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Keeping things on track:

 

cheesyhelmet.jpg

http://www.neonbubble.com/article/discontinued-food-and-drink

 

 

 

post #198 of 422

For me, best post, as JimiB provides data to better inform the reader. No conclusion bias on his part.  A Pro's post:

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Originally Posted by JimiB View Post

Personally I don't care if you wear toque, helmet, headband or even a block Styrofoam cheese. I only advocate that individuals make informed decisions and accept sole responsibility for the consequences of their actions. But I disagree that there are no comprehensive reports about the efficacy of brain buckets.

 

As an example for those who care here is a link to yet another  2011 Trauma Study on the Efficacy of Helmets. From the abstract page you can download the publication and look at the statistics they used yourself.

 

http://www.east.org/research/treatment-guidelines/efficacy-of-safety-helmets-in-reduction-of-head-injuries-in-recreational-skiers-and-snowboarders

 

If you don't like their data collection methods, statistical models or conclusions that's your own personal choice.

 

Go skiing and enjoy yourself regardless of how you accessorize your melon.



 

Here I like Alveolus honest appraisal giving a personal conclusion without telling others what to do.  Now I'd think JimiB might disagree with "data findings", but he'll not tell Alveolus what to do or think.
 

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Originally Posted by Alveolus View Post

OK after perusing multiple, extended helmet threads but heretofore steadfastly refusing to post in them, I hereby give my one and only opinion (unless of course an irresistible set up line should occur wink.gif at some point in the future.)

 

1. I personally wear a helmet (now) because I find it more comfortable, warm and holds the goggles in place better than a cap.  In addition it MIGHT protect my head.

2. I find the scant data (on either side) SLIGHTLY more convincing that it protects my melon than that it increases the risk of sub-melon (ie neck) injuries (but again primary reason is number 1)

3. Do not believe helmet use should be mandated

 

 

However, despite these two example posts, the thread should be a hazmat cleanup as Tog suggests.

 

A helmet thread that asks "do you wear one" begins as a fail as a Y or N question as it invites the trolls who have their agenda telling everyone how stupid they are for not wearing one.  They live and feed off of that negative approach further leading to crude and mean spirited comments.  That is why you'll find many who'll try and deflect these worthless threads before the troll starts feeding.   At best for newcomers, post this question in the form of a poll and ask for no comments.  You'll soon find out who must post their dogma of why some are stupid with their choice.  They look for the opportunity.

 

I did find a few positives out of this thread:

 

I will find an opportunity to ski with jimmy.

 

Tog inspired me to locate some pictures I need to have on hand useful for the slow death of, as Jim Rome would say; "triple U" threads.

 

Despite troll, I will still ski with my friend's who don't wear helmets, even those while off the clock, regardless of the scorn by some  ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #199 of 422

Well perhaps these covers will make a helmet more palatable:

 

This could be a cousin of Gaper Boy. All we know is he's "Josh"

Josh%20in%20Vermont.jpg&width=600&height=390

http://www.crazeeheads.com/gallery.php#

 

 

Names Witheld because of Finndog cool.gif

Stannards2.jpg&width=600&height=390

http://www.crazeeheads.com/gallery.php#
 

 

My faith in humanity is restored. Paris can get fur for any helmet she chooses!

Maybe these will have an impact on helmet wearing.

 

Faux Wolf:

418b1i1ewiL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016IOZNS/ref=sc_pgp__m_A2VOR8YTZFPIVM_3?ie=UTF8&m=A2VOR8YTZFPIVM&n=&s=&v=glance

 

Pink Faux Fur:

 

41%2Bl-ZwH8KL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://www.amazon.com/Helmet-Band-Beautiful-Luxurious-Pink/dp/B0016IQT3W

 

Sometimes hats are unsafe and disturbing.  Sheesh!

 

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http://www.michellesmirror.com/2011/02/michelles-vail-presidential-downhill.html

 

 

Now this helmet might get a few more wearers. Pretty cool! Thank goodness, no more disturbia from that^^.

 

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Momo Design Ice Helmet  (2007?) https://www.ssl-id.de/restless.de/osc/product_info.php?products_id=204&language=en

 

 

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Momo Avio  http://www.momohelme.com/momohelme2009/index_en.html

I think it's for motorcycle, but the site is too ponderous to deal with. If you have to ask ya know,...so we're leaving...

 

 

Talk about Disturbia.

This guy really should have a Momo helmet on. He could get hurt and that cape won't save him.

(Ok, I thought that ski mask lady was weird. See, this is what helmet threads bring out. Now, if only Bob's Kramelet binding had been invented then history might be different. Other than that, I don't know what to say! Only that if Nosferatu had skied, he probably would have worn this.)

 

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4275596171_f2f59b9ae8.jpg

 

Now, this  Design for IDI makes me forget all about the flying brother Nosferatu

 

ski_helmet.jpg

IDI Zero5 Ski Helmet  Designer: Integral Studio Vinaccia for IDI (Innovazione Design Italia)

http://www.yankodesign.com/2011/06/02/sizzling-hot-in-a-ski-helmet/

 

It does look suspiciously like the Momo. Moving on....

 

The absolute opposite. Only a concept, but for those who love the padded hat, perhaps this could work. At least it would offer protection from helmet thread - uh...people.

 

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http://teachertomsblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/pre-k-play-beautiful-nightmare.html

 

This one is too soft. For the bar only, it has potential esp. in Portillo, and Angel Fire.

 

IMG_1288.JPG

http://teachertomsblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/pre-k-play-beautiful-nightmare.html

 

 

We will probably continue to butt heads in the helmet threads! They're just no fun.

Listen to "Angel Glam" blogging:

 

Quote:
Of course when I speak about sports, I particularly mean fashion in sports ... If you get the chance to go skiing this winter, have a look at some ideas how to be fabulous on the top ! Otherwise wait for the snow and enjoy it in the city. I am glad that now fashion mixes the look and the safety !

 

Really, I could not have said that better myself. Thank goodness she did the work.

 

These in Python and Leather by Indigo. Some of Angel Glam's faves

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http://www.angelglam.com/blog/ski/

 

 

Those to go with these Python look Skis! Freakin' hot. Worth getting a matching helmet for.

(No Dudes in Onesies here! These are total Glam.)

Indigo_Ski_Python_Carving_510.jpg

http://www.capital.de/guide/100004631.html?cp=1

 

 

I know, so Euro. When they wear one though, they want to wear one.

 

 

This doesn't work so well on the street or the slopes. Too bad.

We'd much prefer her in the CatWoman look.

 

Halle Berry wears a helmet:

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1363570/Smiling-Halle-Berry-hides-motorbike-helmet-tries-incognito.html

 

 

 

For those of you who don't wear one, don't worry, you can still film yourself just like the helmeted clan.

 

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http://www.headhuntersflyshop.com/wp/archives/7102

 

Well, I should get out of here. I've had no fun at all. (As it should be)

I shall keep searching for that noggin tobogan that will turn the tide....

 

 

oh! wait!....I might have found it.

 

They call this the Airbag helmet. It really should have a remote.

Fashion and Safety!

(Read the text, it's worth it)

 

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http://inhabitat.com/airbag-%e2%80%9ccollar%e2%80%9d-protects-helmet-free-cyclists-from-head-injuries/

 

Even if it means a life saved, a number of people often forgo the use of a bicycle helmet for the sake of looking cool. If you’re one of many who just can’t stand to spoil a perfectly wind blown ‘do, then the Hövding bicycle “collar” just may be the bike safety accessory you’ve been looking for. Disguised as a stylish yet subtle piece fit for any outfit, this collar is able to deploy a full-on head-protecting airbag in case of impact. Curious about the effectiveness? Check out a video of a biker taking a spill wearing the Hövding after the jump!

 
Ok, it's for bicyclists. Can't we all get along?
Still, I couldn't make this stuff up. I know some think I do. Let's blame it on 'roid rage.
 
But look, here's a video of this airbag helmet in action. Really a remote would be fab, especially in the Jackson Tram. How rad.
 
Now, it starts out stealthy. Those who refuse to be caught dead in a noggin tobogan under the tree, fear not. No one will know you have it on.
Check out the dude. He's wearing one under the scarf. (Ok, you've got to wear a freakin' scarf. Could you up the style for some life savin'?)
 
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Now comes the test. The deployment! I confess I don't know where the crash sensor is.
(Ok, ok....so it's a car and a bike. They've yet to have the guts to send a skiing dummy into a tree at 20mph. Use the imagination)
 
 

 

This just in. I know you're skeptical, but listen here:

 

Quote:

The Hövding can tell the difference between falling from a bike and bending over to tie a shoelace.

 

Will wonders ever cease??

And you thought helmets or their threads were just silly.

 


Edited by Tog - 1/9/12 at 11:25pm
post #200 of 422

Dude!  That is over the top, even for a helmet thread. It probably belongs in the Ultimate Thread Killer since it is quality posting nonetheless.

post #201 of 422

I liked  Alveolus' comments. And have no issue with what was said.  I can certainly understand all the back and forth here. The understanding in the medical and design community on the subject of helmet safety is far from perfect, as are the studies on both sides of the fence. But it is significantly better than it was 5 years ago.

 

Several mentiones of other helmet threads on ES. I did happen to read through many of them over the last year and a half and I am familiar with many of the references.

 

For the purpose of disclosure only here's my personal biases:

 

I managed an engineering design services organization for almost 5 years that happened to work with amongst other clients, Motorsport and other Helmet companies. Some of whom have Snowsports product lines. These debates pale in comparison to those inside the industry.

 

I wear a helmet much of the time. And always for off piste/backcountry. I also occasionally wear eurotrash headbands and retro racer toques.

 

PhilPug mentioned people keeping their helmets for a long time. If you choose to wear a helmet you should replace it every few years. Not for fashion's sake, but because  the material degradation from aging diminishes the effectivity of the helmet to do it's job if needed..

 

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post #202 of 422
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

Dude!  That is over the top, even for a helmet thread. It probably belongs in the Ultimate Thread Killer since it is quality posting nonetheless.



Wow TOG that was really something anybody got a cigarette biggrin.gif ??.

 

DonDenver is right this thread was fail from the beginning. The poll, was there a poll? was flawed because there were only two choices, should someone who wears a helmet "sometimes" be excluded from the discussion? I felt left out wink.gif .

 

I really wish the OP hadn't got his or her tall tee in a bunch and moved on frown.gif .

 

I agree with Rod that if you don't have something nice to say shut up but being funny is not being notnice (sorry for the dubneg. Threads like these encourage people to start better threads but i thought this was a good thread but what do I know i'm an Ahole roflmao.gif.

 

Try to use more smilies and winkies especially when you are being tongue.gif and don't forget to floss beercheer.gif

 

Time to ski.gif

 

My helmet is silver

 

post #203 of 422

Bigger is better

 

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post #204 of 422

I for one am glad this thread was stared .. I wouldnt have got to see that inflatohelmet video otherwise. Thanks cant stop laughing!!!

post #205 of 422


 

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Originally Posted by Joal View Post

Bigger is better

 

 



Agreed, especially for ludicrous speed

 

Lord Helmet has spoken[/end thread]

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post #206 of 422

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Originally Posted by JimiB View Post

I liked  Alveolus' comments. And have no issue with what was said.  I can certainly understand all the back and forth here. The understanding in the medical and design community on the subject of helmet safety is far from perfect, as are the studies on both sides of the fence. But it is significantly better than it was 5 years ago.


I managed an engineering design services organization for almost 5 years that happened to work with amongst other clients, Motorsport and other Helmet companies. Some of whom have Snowsports product lines. These debates pale in comparison to those inside the industry.

 

I'd love to hear some of those debates.

Frankly I'm skeptical of the industry's choices which is why I questioned the standards.

I don't find helmets necessarily better built than 10 years ago. On the simple test of penetration, many are far worse. It has become standard to vaccum mold very thin plasitc layer on top of foam, replacing much stronger, thicker plastic.

 

It seems that most of the development has gone to making them lighter and having better ventilation, not safer. I suppose the trade off is if more people will wear one, than it's safer than a hat.

Look at the Smith Variant. It's a top of the line of sorts helmet. It's light I'll give it that. It's structural strength though seems, without testing, much less than helmets that were around nearly 10 yrs ago.

 

The reason helmet debates are dumb is because they ask the wrong question. People have the sense that just because they wear a helmet they are "safe", or it's safer than a hat, so therefore there's no need to question a helmet.

 

The question is, how effective are ski helmets in protecting one's head and brain, and what is being done to improve them?

What models are more effective than others?

Who cares if you wear one or not.

All the indignation over whether one wears them or not is useless. It advances the industry not one iota. In fact, it stymies it because people will wear anything and think it's ok because it's better than nothing. Then the industry has no incentive to make them better, only more comfortable.

 

 

post #207 of 422

Tog,

 

Valid questions. POC is a very safety oriented helmet company, their multiple impact helmets are very good but I am sure a Smith or a Giro throws away more helmets that Poc produces as a company. What is the main decision buying of a helmet is PRICE...I am not talking about the the 5-10%'era that are here on Epic but the mass consumers. To them, a helmet is a helmet is a helmet and cheaper is better. 

post #208 of 422

Just cause I got mine on sale for 5 bucks doesn't mean the same one you bought at regular price for 125 bucks makes yours any better....as a matter of FACT, I know a certain dog that already has made a clear statement on Helmets!!!

 

post #209 of 422

Far safer than a motorcycle by helmet reasoning standards. Cheaper too. - The car that is.

 

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Vintage Mini from the 70's with Raffaella Carrà

 

post #210 of 422

Phil must still be looking for the picture. LOL hurry up Phil!!

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