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post #1 of 26
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"KISS MY A$&, we don't really need you" and then proceed to make some great artificial stuff and open the most trails? Which mountains can do this? Who is the best at it? The fastest? I'm desperate here!
post #2 of 26

Okemo has almost total snow making coverage, SB currently has the best overall conditions, Jay's Peak has the most natural conditions atm and looks good for this week. I base this on a ski trip these last couple of days.

 

 

post #3 of 26

Was at Okemo on Saturday and Killington Sunday. Neither had great conditions by any means. dracop, I'm not sure what you mean by "total snowmaking coverage" as only about 1/3 of trails were open at Okemo, with very few advanced trails open. Pretty much the same story at K-ton, however the trails seemed to hold up a little better there as they spread people out more. Still... both places had a lot of bare spots, but what could you do with these temps?

post #4 of 26

I mentioned Okemo in response to the post "Who can make the most artificial stuff ?"; Okemo has 97% snowmaking coverage, they just don't have the temps as you mentioned (they will this week though).

 

Like you, I understood the author was looking for better conditions.

 

Sugarbush had 90 trails open on Friday/Saturday and it was GOOD at that time.

 

Of course what he really cares about is going forward, this coming week in New England, look at the forecast for Jay's Peak. Snow today (1"), Snow tomorrow (1-3"), Snow Wednesday (1"), and Snow again on Friday?. 

 

Kton is normally my home mountain but its bad there right now, so not worth mentioning atm, ditto on that opinion. 

 

 

post #5 of 26
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Yeah, I may be visiting my father in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire later in the week and I'm currently looking for a mountain or two that is in good shape right now within 2 hours drive of him.

 

But I'd also like to know, for the near future, which mountains in Vermont can make their own fate when the weather isn't cooperating. I was planning to go skiing a lot this winter.

 

Jay Peak is awfully far. If I go there I may have to take a bunch of days off from work and then I'll just keep going to Tremblant!

post #6 of 26

Well, here's an example of "fooling" Mother Nature:

 

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http://www.iglucruise.com/caribbean-skiing-cruise

 

This requires cold. Man made not as pretty looking.

 

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/multimedia/snowcrystals/index.html

Snowflakes
post #7 of 26

I'd pick Killington for the snowmaking and terrain.  Temps are going to drop off so they will make a lot of snow.  Okemo just doesn't have the terrain, unless that's what you are looking for.

 

I have had some great days on Stein's at Sugarbush when it's all snowmaking.  Killington and Sugarbush would probably tie.

post #8 of 26
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If what you mean by "doesn't have the terrain" is that they don't have crazy vertical with black and double black diamond runs, I really don't care about that. In fact, I would prefer more intermediate and warmup beginner trails. So is Okemo's snowmaking excellent?

post #9 of 26
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Tog, when it thaws and refreezes and get's groomed over and over I'd imagine it doesn't really matter if it's natural or manmade - as long as there is enough of it!

post #10 of 26
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Can't find any green on Sugarbush map! I'd prefer a mountain with mostly beginner / intermediate trails, not a mountain with mostly advanced / expert trails! Sorry, I should have specified that earlier but I'll mention that now!

post #11 of 26
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If what you mean by "doesn't have the terrain" is that they don't have crazy vertical with black and double black diamond runs, I really don't care about that. In fact, I would prefer more intermediate and warmup beginner trails. So is Okemo's snowmaking excellent?


yes , for what you say you want you will not be disappointed and also Stratton and Pico for that matter.

 

post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by twochordcool View Post

If what you mean by "doesn't have the terrain" is that they don't have crazy vertical with black and double black diamond runs, I really don't care about that. In fact, I would prefer more intermediate and warmup beginner trails. So is Okemo's snowmaking excellent?



I think you said you would be in Wolfeboro, NH, right?  Look at BrettonWoods, if moderate trails are your go-to.  The elevation is good, and they blow a lot of snow.  But what they've got right now that's white instead of brown is not so good.  You just are going to have to check snow reports continually.   Oh, and Sunday River.  Always check Sunday River.  

post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by twochordcool View Post

Can't find any green on Sugarbush map! I'd prefer a mountain with mostly beginner / intermediate trails, not a mountain with mostly advanced / expert trails! Sorry, I should have specified that earlier but I'll mention that now!


 

Since you seem to be looking for a very particular resort, you should do some research on your own. Here's a link to the VT ski association resort fact sheet, which lists snowmaking, green/blue/black percentages, and size statistics for all the resorts. http://www.skivermont.com/about-us/press-room/vermont-ski-facts

 

You can also find info on current conditions from that site.

post #14 of 26
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I think you said you would be in Wolfeboro, NH, right?  Look at BrettonWoods, if moderate trails are your go-to.  The elevation is good, and they blow a lot of snow.  But what they've got right now that's white instead of brown is not so good.  You just are going to have to check snow reports continually.   Oh, and Sunday River.  Always check Sunday River.  


Yeah, thank you, know about those, but both only have about 20% of their trails open which is depressing! Okemo and Stratton, for later in the month, at least have 50% of their trails open I'm seeing.

 

My Dad had a serious ailment recently and he's getting back into skiing after a LONG time away from it - he's terrified of falling and I should probably respect that. We may actually start the season out somewhere small and easy that at least has all of their terrain open - King Pine.

 

http://www.easternslopes.com/2011/12/30/resort-snapshot-king-pine-12-30-2011/

 

 

post #15 of 26

 

"Snow making coverage" could be the most misleading statistic mountains throw out there. While mountains may indeed have the pipes in place on 90-100% of their trails, few sizable places have the necessary people, water, and compressor capacity to blow snow on more than 10% of their trails at any given time, and that number goes way down when they're trying to open terrain with no preexisting snow. 

 

 

 

 

post #16 of 26
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Perhaps, but the amount of trails open, and snow depth, especially if they're being truthful, and how fast they are able to get things to that point matters a lot.

post #17 of 26

The other variable is commitment.  Are they willing to spend money to make snow (it costs labor and energy) in a big way?  Will they make snow when it is likely to melt away?  When natural snow is expected relatively shortly?

 

In the old days Killington and Sunday River were committed to making snow early, late, and in between.  They were the best choices when the weather was bad.  With the ownership changes since the collapse of ASC a few years ago, I don't know what strategies they (and the other NE areas) are following now. 

 

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I will second Bretton Woods.  I've only been there once, but it seems to be an excellent place for the kind of terrain you are looking for.

post #18 of 26
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Well I can only speak for myself - they won't be making money off of me if most of their trails are closed and there is a risk of me skiing over rocks in my relatively new skis on the trails that they have opened. Gotta spend money to make money in most instances.

post #19 of 26

loon is fairly close by and they made a huge investment in their snowmaking this past year. they currently claim the most terrain in NH (16 miles - for what its worth) and have a good selection of beginner and intermediate runs. this may be the best NH area to tell mother nature to kiss it...

post #20 of 26
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I think you may be right kdaffy. Looks good.

post #21 of 26
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mdf, LOVED Bretton Woods when I went - but most of the mountain is still closed and that is just kind of cheesy!

post #22 of 26

Just check the night before you leave in the morning; that's the best way to know what's going to be open. It changes so fast around here.

post #23 of 26

I was at Okemo today and it was mostly (everything save for South Face) was an ice chute.  Is that the conditions all over Vermont or only Southern Vermont?

post #24 of 26
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I was at Okemo today and it was mostly (everything save for South Face) was an ice chute.  Is that the conditions all over Vermont or only Southern Vermont?


I was at Stowe on Monday (the 2nd) and while they did get various snow squalls that helped soften things up a lot, it was seriously "firm" in the morning.

post #25 of 26

Went to Sunday River this past Friday, ~45 trails open, mostly green and blue, they had the guns blowing on a few trails all morning, so those had lots of snow, the rest was pretty good, ice started developing later in the day, but considering they havent gotten any snow, it was all good.

post #26 of 26

Spent last week at Tremblant and it was a blast.  Temperatures are much colder there and out of 7 days I've been there, it snowed on at least 3 days. Plenty of green and blue runs were open and much to my surprise it was not really crowded (at least not by local New York City standards). Skiing was the best in the morning with some ice starting to show in the afternoon.

 

Besides Tremblant, I think Whiteface, Stowe and Smuggler's Notch should have more or less decent condition to ski. Hunter also pretty much everyday posts on Facebook about them making snow - might check them out this weekend since they are so close...

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