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post #31 of 239

davluri, have I said something that offends you?  "a mix of science and B.S"?  "A waste of intelligence."

 

Are you serious?

 

Marijuana messes up reaction time, thus why it is illegal to smoke and drive.  I'd rather not ski amongst stoners.

 

Now, you may disagree, but no need to hurl insults and inflammatory dialogue.

 

 

consequences of marijuana.jpg

 

http://drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/marijuana2.html

 

http://drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/marijuana3.html

 

 

 

What people do on their own time is their own concern.  Yet what they do in the presence of others in an injury-vulnerable arena is, in my opinion, not ok.


Edited by Vitamin Ski - 12/30/11 at 1:06pm
post #32 of 239

I can't read the green......  eek.gif

post #33 of 239
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Originally Posted by WhiteStar77 View Post

I'm a non-smoker.  For most part I'm not bothered by secondary smokes, but sometimes it does bother me.  It's most annoying when I don't have a choice to escape from it.  For example, sitting on a lift downwind from a smoker.  I know I can jump, but I prefer not to.


Just give your chair partner a little shove...

 

post #34 of 239
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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post

davluri, have I said something that offends you? "a mix of science and B.S"? "A waste of intelligence."

Are you serious?

Marijuana messes up reaction time, thus why it is illegal to smoke and drive. I'd rather not ski amongst stoners.

Now, you may disagree, but no need to hurl insults and inflammatory dialogue.

consequences of marijuana.jpg

http://drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/marijuana2.html

http://drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/marijuana3.html

What people do on their own time is their own concern. Yet what they do in the presence of others in an injury-vulnerable arena is, in my opinion, not ok.


I ski better when I toke up, same with a little bit of alcohol. Loosens me up. You don't have to get so high you're seeing stuff, or drunk you're falling down. Moderation.

What about people on medication? Or pain killers like advil or aspirin...too much of that can effect your judgement too.
post #35 of 239

Skiing with the wife, and at times my three young boys, smoking ANYTHING on the lift is not cool, and I am more than happy to tell you that. Smoke weed on the lift or gondola with my kids nearby and we are going to "talk" about it for sure...not cool...besides, I thought smoking dope on the mtn was for snowboarders....at least that's what I tell my kids...

post #36 of 239

safety concerns are important to all of us.

 

Your page from whatever source is inaccurate, sorry, not always the case. aren't reported symptoms anecdotal evidence, as opposed to a clinical study. see, you're doing it again, hiding your personal agenda in a packaging of factual information, or not so factual in the case of that page, reports from who knows who.

 

edit: snip

 

A study relying on anecdotal evidence can prove just about anything, IMO.
 

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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post

davluri, have I said something that offends you?  "a mix of science and B.S"?  "A waste of intelligence."

 

Are you serious?

 

Marijuana messes up reaction time, thus why it is illegal to smoke and drive.  I'd rather not ski amongst stoners.

 

Now, you may disagree, but no need to hurl insults and inflammatory dialogue.

 

 

consequences of marijuana.jpg

 

http://drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/marijuana2.html

 

http://drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/marijuana3.html

 

 

 

What people do on their own time is their own concern.  Yet what they do in the presence of others in an injury-vulnerable arena is, in my opinion, not ok.



 


Edited by davluri - 12/30/11 at 4:09pm
post #37 of 239

Smoke all you want, just don't fart in the gondola.

post #38 of 239
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

safety concerns are important to all of us.

 

Your page from whatever source is inaccurate, sorry, not always the case. aren't reported symptoms anecdotal evidence, as opposed to a clinical study. see, you're doing it again, hiding your personal agenda in a packaging of factual information, or not so factual in the case of that page, reports from who knows who. that's bull, IMO. a footnote would be interesting.

 

and yes, it's offensive as hell. the word stoner is negative yet describes only one segment of smokers. the inflamatory dialog is intended to piss you off. hope you are unsettled for a few moments, proselytizing like a professor, but cheating on the truth.  You really do have a lot to offer, but if you're going to mix in a lot of conjecture and BS, it will be hard to find, and likely not worth the effort. I'm disappointed is all, no, a little aggravated as well.

 

A study relying on anecdotal evidence can prove just about anything, IMO.
 



 

 

I am deeply sorry I have offended you by challenging the recreational marijuana use that is so deeply enmeshed in Northern California ski culture.  I just used the word "stoner" to refer to habitual marijuana users.  I'm sorry you found it derogatory.  I'm not being sarcastic here.

 

For the record, all of those bits of information came from the site I listed, which took their information from primary research literature on the subject.

 

But in general, alot of the stuff you are saying is a defensive response from marijuana users to justify its use.

 

Just because something is part of one's culture or one's habit, does not mean it is ok, whether "the man" says it it is or not.

 

 

I'm not going to attempt to defend my position any more with factual evidence (at this point), but I'll just say again I personally don't feel comfortable skiing with people under the influence of substances that have to potential to interfere with motor coordination and/or reaction time.  This includes alcohol, far more ubiquitously-used, as I said above.

 

And to huhh's reference, I think-at face value-that people who take certain medications are objectively more likely to be involved in a collision with another skier.  All of this I'm not comfortable with.

 

 

 

But at the same time, I'm not gonna be the guy who is actually gonna do anything about it (unless it happens in my gondi car).  With that being said, I sure hope my personal views don't further aggravate anyone.

 

post #39 of 239

that was just mostly wrong so I took it out. haven't read your reply yet. back to you.

 

yep, you are absolutely right to expect people to at least be clear and focused when they ski around you. that may mean slightly different things to different people, but within tolerances.  And you are intelligent in a way that does not waste it;  redface.gif  thanks for all the informative posts.

 

Because it is a part of a lifestyle and has been for a while at Squaw, there are well developed customs to restrict use in the presence of people.
 

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

safety concerns are important to all of us.

 

Your page from whatever source is inaccurate, sorry, not always the case. aren't reported symptoms anecdotal evidence, as opposed to a clinical study. see, you're doing it again, hiding your personal agenda in a packaging of factual information, or not so factual in the case of that page, reports from who knows who.

 

edit: snip

 

A study relying on anecdotal evidence can prove just about anything, IMO.
 



 



 

post #40 of 239
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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post


I really don't care so much about that stuff, but just like selling alcoholic beverages at mid-mountain lodges, being high on ganja while skiing puts other people at risk of injuries resulting from reckless skiing.

 



This is just so ignorant it's funny.  You really, REALLY have no clue whatsoever. None.

post #41 of 239

you just know that someone has to say that they're a better skier high than 99% of the skiers out there cold sober.  (and therefore present less danger to you) it's irresistible. I'm not saying...  biggrin.gif

 

 

 

steamboat: there is something about the performance of breathable fabrics in that situation...sort of a timed release kinda' thing.
 

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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post

 

I am deeply sorry I have offended you by challenging the recreational marijuana use that is so deeply enmeshed in Northern California ski culture.  I just used the word "stoner" to refer to habitual marijuana users.  I'm sorry you found it derogatory.  I'm not being sarcastic here.

 

For the record, all of those bits of information came from the site I listed, which took their information from primary research literature on the subject.

 

But in general, alot of the stuff you are saying is a defensive response from marijuana users to justify its use.

 

Just because something is part of one's culture or one's habit, does not mean it is ok, whether "the man" says it it is or not.

 

 

I'm not going to attempt to defend my position any more with factual evidence (at this point), but I'll just say again I personally don't feel comfortable skiing with people under the influence of substances that have to potential to interfere with motor coordination and/or reaction time.  This includes alcohol, far more ubiquitously-used, as I said above.

 

And to huhh's reference, I think-at face value-that people who take certain medications are objectively more likely to be involved in a collision with another skier.  All of this I'm not comfortable with.

 

 

 

But at the same time, I'm not gonna be the guy who is actually gonna do anything about it (unless it happens in my gondi car).  With that being said, I sure hope my personal views don't further aggravate anyone.

 



 

post #42 of 239


thanks for the further replies, davluri.  Yes, I agree there are some guys out there (probably many at squaw) that are much better high than most people ever could be sober.  And I think they inspire us all.

 


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This is just so ignorant it's funny.  You really, REALLY have no clue whatsoever. None.


Thanks, this was very constructive. rolleyes.gif

 

post #43 of 239

truly LMAO,  the concept of inspiration will now make me smile whenever encountered.

 

so do you feel any safer now, accepting that fact and letting your mind absorb it completely?  devil.gif
 

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snip...  Yes, I agree there are some guys out there (probably many at squaw) that are much better high than most people ever could be sober.  And I think they inspire us all.

 



snip....

 



 

post #44 of 239


 

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

truly LMAO,  the concept of inspiration will now make me smile whenever encountered.

 

so do you feel any safer now, accepting that fact and letting your mind absorb it completely?  devil.gif
 



 



All I can say is I hope everyone has fun and stays reasonably safe (at least in context of being in presence of others).

 

 

edit: keeping an open mind, I can say that if that activity didn't translate into increased danger, I could care less about people's habits with respect to that.  I guess I really don't know.  I did come across a review of literature that concluded that "experienced" marijuana users were accustomed to any psychomotor effects, therefore making that aspect "safe" for them.  If so, happy smoking.

 

 

With all that said, I wouldn't keep an open mind about on-mountain alcohol sales, but I guess that's out of the context of a "smoking" thread.

post #45 of 239

OP is suggesting then use of vaporizer which is virtually odor and smoke free.

post #46 of 239
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

OP is suggesting then use of vaporizer which is virtually odor and smoke free.



As someone who is allergic to tobacco, virtually is not "free".

post #47 of 239
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

A study relying on anecdotal evidence can prove just about anything, IMO.
 



 



How about a study that shows no link between marijuana and cancer. Hints that it may even provide protective measures?

 

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

 

I read through the actual case study a while ago but can't find it currently but here is an article from the Washington Post on it. 

 

 

Edit: Found the abstract and I think you can buy the entire report here 

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/10/1829.short

post #48 of 239
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How about a study that shows no link between marijuana and cancer. Hints that it may even provide protective measures?

 

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

 

I read through the actual case study a while ago but can't find it currently but here is an article from the Washington Post on it. 

 

 

Edit: Found the abstract and I think you can buy the entire report here 

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/10/1829.short



The safest thing to do is eat magic brownies.

 

Smoking marijuana still exposes the user to many carcinogenic chemicals (such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons), carbon monoxide, and heavy metals/pesticides that may have been present during growing.

 

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201102/does-marijuana-cause-cancer

 

 

Not trying to start a no-pot argument... I really don't care.  But I don't think anyone should have an illusion that marijuana smoke is harm-free.

 

 

post #49 of 239

And this reminds me of a question I've been wanting to ask...

 

How many of you post here on epic when you're baked?

post #50 of 239
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And this reminds me of a question I've been wanting to ask... How many of you post here on epic when you're baked?

I'll bite. I do.

Edit:
Also drunk lol
Edited by huhh - 1/1/12 at 11:10pm
post #51 of 239
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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post


thanks for the further replies, davluri.  Yes, I agree there are some guys out there (probably many at squaw) that are much better high than most people ever could be sober.  And I think they inspire us all.

 



Thanks, this was very constructive. rolleyes.gif

 


With YOUR history of posts you would mention "constructive"? Really?

 

post #52 of 239
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Originally Posted by incognito View Post

There's a craze among teens about using vodka-soaked-tampons.


Where do they put it?

 

Edit: I just Googled it.  Boys and girls!  Wow, the things kids will do...


Edited by Toecutter - 1/2/12 at 9:06am
post #53 of 239

People still smoke?

post #54 of 239

I looked it up too.  WTF is wrong with kids these days?

 

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Where do they put it?

 

Edit: I just Googled it.  Boys and girls!  Wow, the things kids will do...



 

post #55 of 239


 

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I looked it up too.  WTF is wrong with kids these days?

 



 



What happened to the good old days when kids simply drank their alcohol??

post #56 of 239

why not just quit smoking? and tobacco

 

its not healthy in anyway no matter way you are taking it in.

 

VS MJ is really way less bad for you than tobacco. The only reason Tobacco is legal is because it is easier to "control" it.

 

I am extremely bothered by second hand tobacco smoke. It literally makes my eyes water and I hate it. I will speak up every time someone tries to light up on the chairlift.

 

I come to mountains to get fresh air, not be exposed to that shit.

post #57 of 239

I haven't smoked pot for over a decade because I pesonally don't like the sensation anymore. And I don't ski BC with guys who are stoned. But I could care less if there are stoners all over the resort or even (gasp!) sitting next to me on the lift. If any of you squares are paranoid about stoners, you'd better start saving up for your own private ski hill 'cause there's way more potheads out there than you think. And a lot of them aren't on skis or a board -THEY'RE BUMPING YOUR CHAIR!!!! How else do you think they do that for hours on end without going completely mad?

 

I do, however enjoy a nice cigar from time to time. Thankfully, there's usually no lift line or crowded chairs full of asthmatics when I light up. Every once in awhile some dork earthmuffin looks at me like I'm melting the glaciers or something, but they can FOAD.

post #58 of 239

I personally enjoy smokers and encourage them to smoke more. Not only does this generate more tax revenue so hopefully the government tries to take less of my hard earned money so I can ski more smile.gif

 

but hopefully at 37 years old there might actually be some social security left for me after the smokers die off...

 

This post shouldn't offend smokers, they know smoking isn't bad for their healthrolleyes.gif

post #59 of 239
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This is just so ignorant it's funny.  You really, REALLY have no clue whatsoever. None.



+1,000,000,000

post #60 of 239

We used to call them "Safety Meetings". Is that still a thing?

 

"Where'd Keller go?"

 

"Safety Meeting".

 

Like that.

 

Me, I'd rather ski on a trail full of slightly high yet polite stoners than on a trail filled with stone-cold-sober @$$-hats.

 

Cheers.

 

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