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post #211 of 239
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Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post

Gee, I smoke tabackey but it's been a while since I did any weed. Is it still $15/oz? Inflation come into the picture?



 

 

Ciggies still 75 cents/pack?

post #212 of 239

touche'  good point!

post #213 of 239

I know I shouldn't post this, I am inviting a long pissing contest.  But for those of you that think that pot has no effect on your ability to ski or drive. Read this latest article,

 

http://www.wmur.com/r/30425633/detail.html

 

 

post #214 of 239

"Cannabis affects spatial location"

So the saying "you're out there" is true? They really are somewhere else and not their current location?

 

 

post #215 of 239

"Among impaired drivers, fatally injured drivers, and motor vehicle crash victims, marijuana is the most prevalent illegal drug that has been detected, according to the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse."

 

Wow you mean more people use weed then heroine shocking eek.gif
 

 

One problem in some of the existing research is that there was no measurement of cannabis within two to three hours of driving. Inactive metabolites of THC, a chemical found in marijuana, can be present in urine for weeks or even a month after usage; marijuana usage so long ago would not affect driving performance or collisions.

 

Both these statements point to this being blown up by media. I have no doubt it impairs your driving and shouldn't be done but the media does like to put a sensationalist spin on everything 

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/health/30425633/detail.html#ixzz1m0koAxCa

post #216 of 239

I added some important emphasis below.  Marijuana pales in comparison to legal drugs like vicodin, oxy, etc. etc. etc.
 

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Originally Posted by lonewolf210 View Post

"Among impaired drivers, fatally injured drivers, and motor vehicle crash victims, marijuana is the most prevalent illegal drug that has been detected, according to the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse."



 

post #217 of 239
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

I added some important emphasis below.  Marijuana pales in comparison to legal drugs like vicodin, oxy, etc. etc. etc.
 



 

 

Yeah, but any Controlled Substance used without a medical prescription, or used in excess of prescribed dosage is illegal and legally equivalent to an "illegal" drug.

 

Weed used to be C-I prior to it's medical allowance, but many "street drugs" actually are C-II, meaning they have approved medical uses.  Traditionally, C-I substances are the only flat-out "illegal" drugs, but like I said above, it's all illegal unless you have a prescription.
 

 

post #218 of 239
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Originally Posted by lonewolf210 View Post

"Among impaired drivers, fatally injured drivers, and motor vehicle crash victims, marijuana is the most prevalent illegal drug that has been detected, according to the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse."

 

Wow you mean more people use weed then heroine shocking eek.gif
 

 

One problem in some of the existing research is that there was no measurement of cannabis within two to three hours of driving. Inactive metabolites of THC, a chemical found in marijuana, can be present in urine for weeks or even a month after usage; marijuana usage so long ago would not affect driving performance or collisions.

 

Both these statements point to this being blown up by media. I have no doubt it impairs your driving and shouldn't be done but the media does like to put a sensationalist spin on everything 

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/health/30425633/detail.html#ixzz1m0koAxCa



How does your future employer feel about marijuana usage?  Would they let you fly an air-force jet all toked up?

post #219 of 239

^Uh no...interferes with spatial location...and fixing helicopters.  We found out about that in the Iran Hostage rescue failure.

 

I agree about the cnn article. They don't even link to the study. I probably do more research posting my ridiculous pictures than that article had.

post #220 of 239

That's all good and well, but I've read tons of studies like this that conveniently side step the use of pharmaceuticals, whether that use is illegal or legal.  It's still classified as a "legal" drug overall.
 

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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post

 

Yeah, but any Controlled Substance used without a medical prescription, or used in excess of prescribed dosage is illegal and legally equivalent to an "illegal" drug.

 

Weed used to be C-I prior to it's medical allowance, but many "street drugs" actually are C-II, meaning they have approved medical uses.  Traditionally, C-I substances are the only flat-out "illegal" drugs, but like I said above, it's all illegal unless you have a prescription.
 

 



 

post #221 of 239
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

That's all good and well, but I've read tons of studies like this that conveniently side step the use of pharmaceuticals, whether that use is illegal or legal.  It's still classified as a "legal" drug overall.
 



 



I see.

post #222 of 239

I always love it when someone comes along with a snippet from google to tell me what being high is like.  It's like virgins copying and pasting a medical description of what happens during sex written by a virgin in a lab coat in order to set the guy straight who's had sex 10,000 times.

 

post #223 of 239
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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post

 

Yeah, but any Controlled Substance used without a medical prescription, or used in excess of prescribed dosage is illegal and legally equivalent to an "illegal" drug.

 

Weed used to be C-I prior to it's medical allowance, but many "street drugs" actually are C-II, meaning they have approved medical uses.  Traditionally, C-I substances are the only flat-out "illegal" drugs, but like I said above, it's all illegal unless you have a prescription.
 

 



Are you referring to DEA scheduling? 

 

In that case, it's a mess. Pot is Sch. I (high risk of abuse, no medical use, etc-- illegal to prescribe, from the DEA's perspective), whereas Fentanyl is Sch. II-- though it's an order of magnitude stronger than heroin... and very commonly "abused." You can add cocaine to that list. LSA (similar to LSD) is Sch. III. Valium and Ambien Sch. IV. 

 

Nobody but the DEA-- in its twisted logic-- considers the Controlled Substances Act and associated schedule to have anything to do with the reality of addiction, abuse, medical value, or safe use. 

 

I like to be stone sober when I ski anything aggressive (and not weighed down by a big meal, and having had a good sleep the night before), but I don't really care what my fellow skiers are up to, with one condition: that they ski safely with respect to those around them. And I'll take the nice, piney, smell of pot over the relative stench (yeah, I know it's subjective) of stale cig smoke. 

 

Put me in the category that prefers a stoned, safe, respectful skier to a sober, disrespectful, dangerous skier. I don't want to ski near someone who is on any substance he isn't experienced with (don't smoke or drink for the first time on a slopes), or near someone who is too toasted (on anything) to know up from down. But neither of those situations seems to be a common issue in my experience-- but when it happens, it seems like it's the middle-aged bar-hound, intermediate-skidders who think they are better than they are at skiing that I see. Most of the folks who smoke pot on the mountain and head to expert runs, the trees, or off-piste seem, to me, to have the skills, experience, and mind-set to partake responsibly. Yes, this is anecdotal and broad-swath painting. 

 

post #224 of 239
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Originally Posted by justruss 

 

Put me in the category that prefers a stoned, safe, respectful skier to a sober, disrespectful, dangerous skier. 

 


How 'bout a safe, respectful, and sober skier?  I prefer to have it all.

 

That said, if forced to choose for some reason, I would much prefer to be skiing around someone high on weed than one drunk on alcohol.  I don't smoke weed and only rarely drink, but I do have pretty extensive experience with those who do both or either.  While both are clearly mind-altering substances, my personal observation has been that alcohol intoxication is the hands-down winner of the two when it comes to fostering aggressive, risk-taking, and reckless behavior.  

Weed, notsamuch.

 

post #225 of 239
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post


How 'bout a safe, respectful, and sober skier?  I prefer to have it all.

 

That said, if forced to choose for some reason, I would much prefer to be skiing around someone high on weed than one drunk on alcohol.  I don't smoke weed and only rarely drink, but I do have pretty extensive experience with those who do both or either.  While both are clearly mind-altering substances, my personal observation has been that alcohol intoxication is the hands-down winner of the two when it comes to fostering aggressive, risk-taking, and reckless behavior.  

Weed, notsamuch.

 


 

I don't really care about the sober part. I care about the safe and respectful part. And while I think it'd be silly to suggest that, on the whole, lack of sobriety and lack of safety have zero correlation-- I do think it's quite possible for some people to use certain amounts of a drug (legal or otherwise) and stay well within the reasonable safety/respectful (as I see it) boundaries. In other words: lack of sobriety isn't the first thing I'm worried about on the mountain. 

post #226 of 239

Do you mean to imply that everyone who dances with maryjane or knocks back three beers at lunch is automatically a noble, skilled, docile, great skier who is going to ski in control?

 

 

Um, how about all the gapers, yahoos, dumb teens, dumb adults, and otherwise previously-dangerous people who want to toke up on the ski hill and become more dangerous?  How do feel about pot intoxication in those people?

post #227 of 239

I think you have identified the real factors (my bold) in dangerous skiing: lack of skill and judgement. Some people have it, some don't; and it wouldn't matter what they do at lunch.

 

New signs in Funatel: if anyone is smoking in this car, call _________, we'd like to know about it.
 

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Do you mean to imply that everyone who dances with maryjane or knocks back three beers at lunch is automatically a noble, skilled, docile, great skier who is going to ski in control?

 

 

Um, how about all the gapers, yahoos, dumb teens, dumb adults, and otherwise previously-dangerous people who want to toke up on the ski hill and become more dangerous?  How do feel about pot intoxication in those people?



 

 

post #228 of 239
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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post

Do you mean to imply that everyone who dances with maryjane or knocks back three beers at lunch is automatically a noble, skilled, docile, great skier who is going to ski in control?

 

 

Um, how about all the gapers, yahoos, dumb teens, dumb adults, and otherwise previously-dangerous people who want to toke up on the ski hill and become more dangerous?  How do feel about pot intoxication in those people?



Are you asking me? 

 

If so, here are my answers:

 

1. No, I don't think everyone who drinks or smokes turns into a great/respectful skier. I don't think anyone implied that

 

2. I think those people are dangerous with or without intoxicants (pot, booze, or other).

 

I'm arguing that the bigger problem is dangerous skiing, not drug use-- and that the two can be separated (which doesn't mean they are always separate issues).

 

 

post #229 of 239

check it out , a portable vaporizer so not actually smoking as it is below burn temperature so avoiding  the nasty carcinogens when ingesting your medicine. Plus you don't have to worry about firing up a lighter during a white out, got to love technology.

 

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post #230 of 239

^^What exactly does that do? How can it vaporize without burning?

post #231 of 239

it has a trough made of screen and and a heating element under the screen. Basically it heats up to a level just under the burn point but high enough to extract the elements you want. Its strange the dregs are this crumbly stuff. It actually tastes like an herb rather than some burnt toxic mess.

post #232 of 239
The effect aside, there are a lot more dangerous things around. Smoking on the chair is just %#^&% inconsiderate, I got caught behind two potheads today on the lift and get to enjoy the stench all the way up.
post #233 of 239

You got a problem with smoking on the lifts?

 

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post #234 of 239
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

The effect aside, there are a lot more dangerous things around. Smoking on the chair is just %#^&% inconsiderate, I got caught behind two potheads today on the lift and get to enjoy the stench all the way up.

I got caught behind a Yuppie Couple whose perfume and aftershave were highly offensive to me. I think they make people ski unsafe because they're more worried about human carnal response to their aroma, than they are paying attention to their skiing. Clearly a severe danger.

Yesterday I saw someone eating a slice of pizza near me while in the bar. The smells offended me because I lacked the money to buy a slice myself. Clearly we should ban people from lording their riches over others, it's highly unsafe!
post #235 of 239
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Originally Posted by GrizzledVeteran View Post

Yesterday I saw someone eating a slice of pizza near me while in the bar.  Clearly we should ban people from lording their riches over others, it's highly unsafe!


Exactly!!!

 

Skiers eating pizza in the bar is what causes Class Warfare in this country!  Armed revolution cannot be far off....

 

post #236 of 239

I know. High end:

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Low End:

 

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 ^^ Should those be at every chairlift?

 

 

I like to have a cig in the morning before I go skiing. (Here testing my new goretex xcr little red riding hood coat)...................

 

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post #237 of 239
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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post

 

You're very diplomatic, Jay.

 

"Nothing wrong with beer during lunch"???

 

There is something wrong with beer during lunch, if you intend on skiing anymore that day.  All it takes is one small mistake from an impaired person to ruin somebody's vacation, or worse.

 

And even if it didn't impair someone, I'd question why someone would require alcoholic beverages to enjoy themselves on the ski slopes.

 



 



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What you are doing is trying to defend and rationalize your substance abuse disorder.  I hope it works out for you, buddy.

 


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

 

Grandstand much? 

 

post #238 of 239
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Originally Posted by SkiingCoug View Post

Grandstand much? 

 


I...I...I thought that was the whole purpose of internet chat forums....  confused.gif

 

Just to liven things up even more, there's an article in Outside magazine today about some on-mountain restaurant at Aspen limiting purchase of alcoholic beverages to 3 non-hard alcohol (just beer?) drinks at lunch  They say it's to combat intoxication on the slopes.  Hmmmm.....

 

I don't ski there, tho, so my substance abuse disorder remains unthreatened!  biggrin.gif

 

post #239 of 239

Good for them. Drinking more than three drinks during the ski day is asinine.

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