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K2 "50 Years of Serious Fun"

post #1 of 40
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Just got this great picture book from K2 in the mail yesterday called "50 Years of Serious Fun" 1962-2012

This picture is one of my favorites taken from the movie "The Performers". I'm going to add more scans to this thread as time permits. Enjoy!!

 

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post #2 of 40

gosh, a picture of one of their first crappy skis, to be followed by pictures of 50 years of crappy skis. a pictorial history of veritable crap. It's time to boycott that company and pressure them to make skis here. as is clear, no fondness for K2.  (no offense to OP)

post #3 of 40

I have the book too. It is great. But there is no talk about the VO Slalom?!?!? There is great stories about Bobbie Burns, Phil & Steve Mahre, Plake, Schmidt and even the Blzzard of Aahhs. 

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gosh, a picture of one of their first crappy skis, to be followed by pictures of 50 years of crappy skis. a pictorial history of veritable crap. It's time to boycott that company and pressure them to make skis here. as is clear, no fondness for K2.  (no offense to OP)



So if your opinion is they were always crappy skis, then why do you want them to be made at higher cost in the US? You thought they were crappy skis when they were made here before moving production to China, so why do you want them back.

post #5 of 40

That's an interesting point, and I'd like to address the issue. They were crappy for a different reason in the early days.roflmao.gifAnd through time their crappy-ness has evolved and gone through several stages.

 

Now they are crappy for other reasons, one of which is undercutting the US economy. No ski made in China that I am aware of has been sold for a lower price than similar skis made in the US, France, Germany, Austria. See the Kuro for just one example of many. There is lower production cost overseas, but the savings are not being passed on to the skier, that's for sure. Yes, I want them to make their crappy skis here in the USA.  Jobs and reducing our debt is the reason; we need to be a manufacturing country once more, and K2 is not helping out.
 

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So if your opinion is they were always crappy skis, then why do you want them to be made at higher cost in the US? You thought they were crappy skis when they were made here before moving production to China, so why do you want them back.



 

post #6 of 40
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They talk about the K2 VO SL in the time line (1981) The KVC comp too.

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I have the book too. It is great. But there is no talk about the VO Slalom?!?!? There is great stories about Bobbie Burns, Phil & Steve Mahre, Plake, Schmidt and even the Blzzard of Aahhs. 



As far as made in China goes look how well Volant did. Look at the American bicycle industry with Cannondale, Specialized, and Trek all having bikes made in China. Look at Walmart and how America buys products.

 

Here look at some more pictures

 

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post #7 of 40

Skidmarks, could you post the publisher and author please. A search by title at the local bookstore did not come up with anything. A google search just turned up this thread and that K2 will be making ski boots again. Thanks.

post #8 of 40
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They talk about the K2 VO SL in the time line (1981) The KVC comp too.



As far as made in China goes look how well Volant did. Look at the American bicycle industry with Cannondale, Specialized, and Trek all having bikes made in China. Look at Walmart and how America buys products.


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The China thing usually goes rapidly downhill around here.  I'm not supportive of the bike industry segments you reference. Cannondale made in China? hilarious, considering their main sales point for a while was that they were handmade in the USA; how will they spin that one? haha. Doesn't Trek make the high end OCLV frames in the US? Did at one time. Kestrel, Merlin, Litespeed, Trek, all produced something (carbon and titanium frames) in the US for some period of time didn't they?

 

Volant was made in the U.S.? Is that the point there? Because if Volant failed, it is most likely because it was a lousy ski, IMO. Steel sucks for skis. In the beginning of their production, I remember always seeing intellectual types on the ski, fond of its claimed durability and the intrinsic quality of brushed stainless steel, the understated elegance. Not a fair run at a U.S. based ski.

post #9 of 40

Davluri, not all K2 skis have been crap.  Granted, they are not my skis of choice either but have had some great times on some of them.  Spent a couple of very happy years on Winter Heats and Cheeseburgers (from what little I can remember of those years).  The Winter Heat was a really fun soft snow recreational ski, and one of the early skis  with honest pain in the butt bases for repairing.

 

K2 was fabulous for replacing those skis every time that the tips broke.  Kudos to them for "The Performers" too; that movie influenced a lot of skiers in that period of time.  The book sounds like it would be a great addition to the coffee table.

 

As to the built in the USA thing, how do you like your American TV or car?  It is now a world ecconomy, you may as well get used to that and move on.

 

 

post #10 of 40

Where were your skis made, davi?

 

I like my '06 Super Stinx. The only downhill ski in my quiver at this time. I hope they aren't crappy. I thought it was me holding the skis back, not the other way around. redface.gif

 

I had the poster of that Scott Schmidt airplane turn picture on my wall for a while. icon14.gif

 

 

 

 

post #11 of 40


If the world economy was a done deal as it stands, why would ABC World News spend about five million dollars of their time on a campaign called "Made in America" ? to encourage people to buy American?

 

I have said it a dozen times: a skis performance is one of several measures of its quality. durability is another, and early K2's had NONE; therefore: crap. This is due to extremely shoddy and cheap construction, at a time when European skis were rock solid and extremely sophisticated. Although K2's were lively and edgy out of the box, they were literally falling apart from the very first run. (and BTW, this is the way many boutique skis are constructed, cheap, quick, dumb).  Fine if you're a pro and have limitless free replacements, or a racer with a new pair for every few runs, but they were a bad investment for joe daily skier, and considering what else was available, an un-necessary risk. Their warranty sounds a little desperate, considering any ski slammed down on hard snow will snap off the tip, like Audi's early maintenance program to ease consumer doubts about cars that wouldn't hold together.

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Devilry, not all K2 skis have been crap.  Granted, they are not my skis of choice either but have had some great times on some of them.  Spent a couple of very happy years on Winter Heats and Cheeseburgers (from what little I can remember of those years).  The Winter Heat was a really fun soft snow recreational ski, and one of the early skis  with honest pain in the butt bases for repairing.

 

K2 was fabulous for replacing those skis every time that the tips broke.  Kudos to them for "The Performers" too; that movie influenced a lot of skiers in that period of time.  The book sounds like it would be a great addition to the coffee table.

 

As to the built in the USA thing, how do you like your American TV or car?  It is now a world ecconomy, you may as well get used to that and move on.

 

 



 

post #12 of 40

Where were your skis made, davi?

 

My KVCs outlived their design. After many seasons as my only skis, and I skied a lot back then, they went to the dump in great shape (save for a few nasty ptex gashes, but that can happen to any skis).

post #13 of 40


 

I happen to know that you ski on Stocklis, I like Stocklis and have a pair, however I also have, K2 and Atomic. You know the skis I consider crap are the Atomics, thin bases, edges that tear out on a whim, basic euro garbage. I have a pair of Atomic M2trons that I have skied on maybe 20 times. I'm going to burn those skis in a ski burning party, if they will ever lift the burn ban in Tahoe, hate those skis. Now has Atomic got their crap together over the last 3 or so years, yes they have, but for a while all they were making was junk in my opinion. And that is all it is my opinion. Skis are very subjective, even the people I have skied with for 20 yrs, skiing the same lines, with similar skiing styles can't agree on what skis we like. 
My point is that to come on here and bash K2 skis, when a lot of history has been made on those skis is crap. This isn't a who makes the best skis thread, it is about a book put out by K2. Like K2 or love K2, you can't deny that they put their money where their mouth is when it comes to supporting athletes and pushing ski development forward. 

 

 

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gosh, a picture of one of their first crappy skis, to be followed by pictures of 50 years of crappy skis. a pictorial history of veritable crap. It's time to boycott that company and pressure them to make skis here. as is clear, no fondness for K2.  (no offense to OP)



 

The book isn't available in bookstores, I got my copy from a K2 ski rep. Some of the stories are fascinating.
 

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Skidmarks, could you post the publisher and author please. A search by title at the local bookstore did not come up with anything. A google search just turned up this thread and that K2 will be making ski boots again. Thanks.



 

post #14 of 40

Maybe the athletes are putting their life where their ideals are and K2 is doing a little marketing. Next you'll tell me that K2 is responsible for the athletes well being and get all teary eyed.

 

wrong place to bash K2, but I take every opportunity, however scant. history of a ski company? that's a myth, man. ski development lead by them? I don't think so. I do think bashing any ski I want to bash is OK. my comments don't impact the world quite as much as a billion dollar ski company's policy. like you said: subjective.

 

saying that the early K2 skis were poorly constructed is NOT bashing. it's plain fact, history if you will.

 

The Beta series was definitely crap.

 

My skis are from Germany, Switzerland, and Chamonix, T-rod.

Tell you what. K2 moves a major plant to America and I'll buy 3 pairs!    nah, they'd still be crap. wink.gif

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post #16 of 40
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My skis are from Germany, Switzerland, and Chamonix, T-rod.

Tell you what. K2 moves a major plant to America and I'll buy 3 pairs!    nah, they'd still be crap. wink.gif


You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You want K2 to build skis in America, but you buy your's from Europe. There are plenty of people making skis in the good old U.S of A buy some. 

Just because some skis are made in Europe doesn't make them any better, if you believe that YOU are a marketing depts wet dream. I've owned plenty of skis from all those places too and some from china as well, still do. Some sucked and fell apart after a year, some ruled. Skis are tools in my world, I drill them and ski them. When they are done, the bindings come off and go to the next pair. 

 

My point is the OP came on here to talk about a book and you launch into a K2 sucks diatribe. BTW, it is the fool that makes the ski, not the other way around. 

post #17 of 40

I love my k2 apache recons....in the right conditions and my daughter loves her k2 True Luv.  I demo many skis before purchasing and these worked out the best for me.

post #18 of 40

The 812s I owned got the living hell skied out of them from 82 through 1998, although only a couple days a season in the latter years.  Never had any single issue, but blew a set of bindings (737E heel cracked).  I did have to repair a pair of 710 FOs, by gluing and screwing a tip delam.  That was a typical problem with many pairs of skis I used not K2 specific at all.  They were still skiable but I tossed them when the 727 heel blew apart.
The 233 mids I had before that went from all around with 444s on them to bump specific, then to air specific with Spademans final season.  I even took them in the lake off a water ramp.  They were still totally skiable when they hit the dumpster.   The Rossi FMs that replaced them as my longer bump specific stick, boy what a piece of crap ski thosenonono2.gif Rossi FMs were.  Several friends and team mates had them.  I was the only one that still had both edges and topsheets sound at the end of the season.  Don't have any experience with anything between the VOs (made by Volkl anyway right?) and the second generation 80 mm PEs and Cabrawlers I currently have.  The PEs and Cabrawlers probably only have about 5 or 6 days each.  I'm happy with the way they perform.  In fact, I'm delighted with the way they ski.  As for durability, they've seem ice bumps and slapped down after the LZ of large tabletops in that tip splatter zone a couple of times without splitting open yet.  So, I don't know what happened with others that claim product disaster via K2 product.  K2 is still my all time favorite ski brand.

 

Put me down for thirty years of "serious fun"wink.gif

post #19 of 40

I skied K2 skis from 1974 until 2001 and had a whole lot of fun.

post #20 of 40

I sense that maybe davluri is one of those people who posts in a stream-of-consciousness way that is no different from his chairlift trash talk. Most of us don't do that. (BWPA excepted.) Most of us are more measured in our public written prose than in our yakking with buds. If we go off on something, it's because we're feeling seriously ticked and (self-?) righteous. Maybe that's not the case for d. If I'm right, then ya' hafta take that into account when reading davluri's posts and not react the way you would to someone who is always very circumspect. Just thinking.

post #21 of 40

I love K2, I had many great years on my Kent Kreitler signatures and MSL's.. We lived across the street from the Fauntleroy Ferry. Phil & Steve Mahre, Markers and Lange. Then they went and sold out to China...been on Volkl or Rossignol since...sad for USA and ski manufacturing when K2 left.

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The book isn't available in bookstores, I got my copy from a K2 ski rep. Some of the stories are fascinating.
 



 



eek.gif  If anyone that has the power to distribute the books, sees this, I would really like to have one. I would do anything.......almost.

 

post #23 of 40

Put me down for waiting to start my third season of fun.

post #24 of 40

i  love the book and the history of k2 ski company. i also love the fact that i discovered a picture of me on page 75.

 

that shot of plake jumping into the chute off the light towers at squaw, well hot damn if that isn't me standing far right on the top of the ridge in the white vest and salomon headband. i was there that day with plake (wearing a helmet cam), scott schmidt, tom day, and mike slattery, and kim reichhelm

 

stump and benedict  were trying to figure out who they were going to take to europe for the chamonix portion of the movie. plake slayed it and ended up on the trip.that segment ended up in the movie.

 

later that same week, the segment was shot where reichelm tried to shin that large sugar pine off granite chief and ended up taking a spectacular fall, all captured on film and featured in the movie.

 

jim

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eek.gif  If anyone that has the power to distribute the books, sees this, I would really like to have one. I would do anything.......almost.

 


Is it available on Kindleduck.gif

 

And..irony.gif

 

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i  love the book and the history of k2 ski company. i also love the fact that i discovered a picture of me on page 75.


jim


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post #27 of 40
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i  love the book and the history of k2 ski company. i also love the fact that i discovered a picture of me on page 75.

 

 

jim


You look slimmer in that picture then now. Just kidding.

 

Have you ever listened to Plake tell the story of that day. It is classic.

post #28 of 40
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If the world economy was a done deal as it stands, why would ABC World News spend about five million dollars of their time on a campaign called "Made in America" ? to encourage people to buy American?

 


probably to sell 3 times that in ad-space to Chevy and Kraft Macaroni and Cheese.

 

Truth is, when things started being made elsewhere, those places put money into their manufacturing facilities.  America didn't.  Many American facilities aren't sophisticated enough to handle high end manufacturing.

 

Many are, but many more in other manufacturing-focused countries.

 

The cost of shipping and an improving standard of living in many manufacturing companies would make "buying American" much more feasible (affordable), but the money just wasn't put into the industry.

post #29 of 40

So cynical. me too. but if the story didn't have a basis in public interest the ads would not sell.  someone at ABC is serious about influencing consumer buying habits. so am I in my small way.

 

I understand that the US paid for the industrial rebuild of Japan and Germany in the 50's. the saying was: best thing for a national economy is to lose a war to the US. but I digress.

 

If a company in the US built its facility from scratch to make skis, would it necessarily be inferior to China or Germany?

 

QC, I think you meant considered. but you were circumspect (which means beating around the bush)

 

 

post #30 of 40

What ever about K2's defection to China. It's a fact and unfortunately all too true applying to thousands of former US based manufacturing companies. Companies are run for the shareholders never the employees .

 

But K2 has a great heritage here in the US. Were there better made European models, probably.But I don't think any of these skis can boast the same  impact K2 created with skiers in the US.

 

I skied the original K2 Comps (they chipped), 712, 812, TNT, VO Slalom . Loved them all.

 

But the whole thing about resonating with US skiers and stoking nostalgia does get compromised today with the reality the product isn't made here.

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