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What ski boot (2011-2012) this year do you think is better than any boot you have owned in performance and fit?

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Thread Starter 

Wjhat size is it, model and manufature?

post #2 of 46
Thread Starter 

opps thats a what and manufacture. Using a foreign  (as in another country's) keyboard. ל

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For me it's my new Dalbello Krypton Cross ID with custom footbeds and cuff alignment by Brent Amsbury.  My feet are solidly in place but not cramped, they stay warm and I get to keep the skin on the tops of my feet when I take them off.  My old Tecnica Diablo Pros would literally gouge the tops of the feet when removing them on a cold day, ended up with bloody feet more than once.  I'll never go back to a 2-piece boot.

post #4 of 46

gotta still go with the Lange 130 pros. 

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Ski gear discussion? 

 

(Dalbello Kypt's I hope; new last)

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Got to go with my Fischer Vacuum 110s.  I'm still getting the fit tweaked, but they fit better and gave me more performance than previous boots after the first fitting.  

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Moved into a pair of Solomon Impact 120s' 27.5 this year.  Custom foot beds, some punching, shaved soles and all the neat stuff from Boot Works in Park City.  The best fit and performance I have ever had from a boot.

 

Skied 3 runs groomer zooming, and laying down some pretty clean tracks, then realized the bottom 3 buckles on both boots were still unbuckled.  Can not ask too much more realistically.

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Originally Posted by drbalance View Post

Wjhat size is it, model and manufature?



Plenty of great boots out there from all the manufacturers. Here's mine, but I wouldn't want something I've written to lead someone to buy it without having a clue how it fits THEIR foot. Size is also an irrelevant question unless you have special issues with very small, very wide, or exceptionally large feet that are beyond the range of what generally offered.

 

http://www.epicski.com/products/head-raptor-130-rs-ski-boots-2012/reviews

post #9 of 46

After only one ski day, my new Lange RX 130's in my usual 27.5 are showing some promise.

 

Rick G

post #10 of 46

Thought this might have been a frivolous thread until I noted that the OP is a boot-fitter, so here goes:

I'm not really considering a new pair as I still think that my Salomon Falcon 10's, (now discontinued,) fit darn near perfectly. Were they to be lost or destroyed, I'd most probably start with a visit to a good fitter and listen to his or her recommendations. But were I left to my own devices as a starting point I'd try the Salomon X3 100 or 120 CS, (98mm last) in 26.5. I believe that it's the same last as the Falcon with the addition of the CS technology,(which I don't really need,) and offers the same My Custom Fit Race liner that I like so well.

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I have switched this year from the Dobie Aggressor 150 to the Atomic RT 130.  It is a significantly softer boot, more than the nominal flex difference would suggest.  I have found it has made a tremendous difference for me in Slalom particularly, lets me get to the new turn quicker.  Haven't had much chance to get on a GS ski with it yet but looks definitely like an overall improvement

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^^^^ ScotsS, trying to visualize. Does the softer flex help you into the new turn by less resistance to pressuring to your new tip, eg, on/off quicker? 

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Since this is fantasy land, the only boot that really pics my interest is the Dodge, which is made of carbon fiber, and quite possibly the wave of the future. $1500 plus bootfitting to get right, and, I'd want a very good bootfitter. Included in that would be on-snow allignment to get flat.

 

We just don't buy boots, it's more of a marriage. Perhaps the better question is where would I go....and the answer is Dumont Co. There are very, very  few others I'd be willing to trust, one is Start Haus.

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Does the pudding only come in one flavor?  is HH still pushing these?  why would you want a boot like that for anything but elite level racing (if racers are even going to them, I don't see that happening) 

 

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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post

Since this is fantasy land, the only boot that really pics my interest is the Dodge, which is made of carbon fiber, and quite possibly the wave of the future. $1500 plus bootfitting to get right, and, I'd want a very good bootfitter. Included in that would be on-snow allignment to get flat.

 

We just don't buy boots, it's more of a marriage. Perhaps the better question is where would I go....and the answer is Dumont Co. There are very, very  few others I'd be willing to trust, one is Start Haus.



 

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

^^^^ ScotsS, trying to visualize. Does the softer flex help you into the new turn by less resistance to pressuring to your new tip, eg, on/off quicker? 


yes, on/off quicker and I seem able to get pressure better/quicker to the front of the ski.  I get pressure in the cuff better with the softer boot.  Loved my dobies and when i originally switched to them they made a huge difference in driving a GS ski but the Atomic is working better for me now

 

post #16 of 46
Fisher vacumm RC4 130 flex, 23.5. Great fit thanks to Jim Schaffner at Starthhaus.
post #17 of 46
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Does the pudding only come in one flavor?  is HH still pushing these?  why would you want a boot like that for anything but elite level racing (if racers are even going to them, I don't see that happening)

Yo, Finndog, great guru of technology. Go back an re-read all your glowing reviews of the 3 buckle Krypton's and how you never,ever,  would do a stiffer carving boot. You present Lange 130's are much closer to race boots. As far as racers, give the technology some time, and perhaps work out patent issues, and the world will see.

 

And, by the way, why dump on my technology dream?

 

In a couple of years, I'll expect your wow reviews of carbon boots!

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Carbon boots will be like carbon bikes, racquets, bats and carbon everything else.  Wait five years for the big companies with real R & D budgets to work out the kinks and produce a superior and cheaper product.  The Dodge is a cool idea, but I have no interest in spending 1500.00 to be a field researcher for what is a developing product.

 

I remember carbon bikes from 10 years ago that cost a fortune and couldn't hold a candle to today's average carbon frames that cost half as much.  It'll be the same with carbon boots.

 

 

 

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Carbon boots will be like carbon bikes, racquets, bats and carbon everything else.  Wait five years for the big companies with real R & D budgets to work out the kinks and produce a superior and cheaper product.  The Dodge is a cool idea, but I have no interest in spending 1500.00 to be a field researcher for what is a developing product.

 

I remember carbon bikes from 10 years ago that cost a fortune and couldn't hold a candle to today's average carbon frames that cost half as much.  It'll be the same with carbon boots.

 

 

 


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What he said!

 

 

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Carbon will be used more than it is now but not to the extent that you are thinking. While carbon has gained more applications in many sports it still hasn't "taken" over in the areas where it is more applicable in skiing. If there is anyplace that carbon would work it is in skis and poles. There is only a few companies that have used it as additives with success and only Goode who tried as their main ingredient in producing skis and poles and they have done back to adding wood to their structures in skis. 

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Carbon will be used more than it is now but not to the extent that you are thinking. While carbon has gained more applications in many sports it still hasn't "taken" over in the areas where it is more applicable in skiing. If there is anyplace that carbon would work it is in skis and poles. There is only a few companies that have used it as additives with success and only Goode who tried as their main ingredient in producing skis and poles and they have done back to adding wood to their structures in skis. 

Just sayin, but,

 

I would differentiate boots from skis and poles. I'm sure you have much better access to reps for the major boot makers and I'd like to hear their version of a carbon fiber boot future.  IMHO, it's probably going to come down to World Cup Skiers demanding them. No World Cupper wants to be on outdated technology, and, technology sells. As the Dodge is out there now, Cuppers can get timed runs in practice and see the future far better than I. I would find it very difficult to believe that Head, Fisher, Atomic etc., are not pumping R&D euro's into development. I would also expect them to be pretty secretive and hoping they will be the first to have them available to their contracted federations and skiers.
 

 

post #22 of 46

I think if you're a hard snow charger the Dodge Boot is probably the ticket. Talked to a guy that really has no "horse in the race" now skiing Dodge boots and he says there is absolutely no comparison for performance and response skiing on groomed snow, Night and Day according to him.

 

Still super expensive technology at $1500 bucks before fitting that negates me getting into this boot. It still has to fit well no matter how well it transfers enegy I would think.

 

When I have a rationale ski equipment monent , I reel myself in and rationalize the real value proposition this boot represent for me a rabid but recreational skier.

 

That being said I do believe that carbon will become a material of constuction in high end ski boots in the future and hopefully the cost of carbon becomes more "palatable" for thos of us who have other real world expenses to deal with.

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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post
That being said I do believe that carbon will become a material of constuction in high end ski boots in the future and hopefully the cost of carbon becomes more "palatable" for thos of us who have other real world expenses to deal with.


Roundturs,

We are both "value buyers", my ski brother!

 

I do smile the thought of our peers paying MSRP of $1400 for Wailers or $1200 for Kastle's, plus $300 or so for bindings, and, then commenting that a $1500 boot is outrageous. Boots are like being a 2nd or 3rd child....you can be great, but the skis, oops -  first born, get the attention.

 

post #24 of 46

I fit boots for a living and the Lange RX/RS series and especially the 130  is really hard to beat. Really great performance with comfort for a wide range of folks. I have skied and have a pair of Dodges.They are great performers but will never fit the masses like the current Langes. Not everyone needs the bleeding edge. When I need comfort and performance it's my RS130s!!

 

Richard

 

 

post #25 of 46

First customers are the last beta testers.

 

That old saw works for software and ski gear.

 

Cheers,

 

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post #26 of 46

mike, its your fantasy, so enjoy your boots.  The lange 130 is hardly a stiff carving boot. It is much stiffer than the Dalbello Il Moro but not really that stiff. The real difference is the overall design, very upridght and much more anatomical. Fits so much better overall especially in the instep.  I didn't mean to dump on your dream; I don't understand the advantage to that boot unless you are only skiing groomed all the time and had the need for it; like racing and not trying to ski for 5-6 hours.  Eventually, CF may become more popular in boot design but it won't be used for the same application; uber stiff race boots. It will be made so that it can be more easily worked with and more skiier friendly. With the advent of the Vacuum system, the new direction has been blazed....


 

BTW- who is spending 1500 on DPS?  full list on a pure is 1200. The hybird is no where close to that. (799, full retail) and its worth the price.  But speaking of boots, you can get a near custom boot like a Vacuum or a boot like a Lange rs/rx for much less, why spend $2,000 on a boot that's a one purpose pony. I don't see the value.

 

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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post

Yo, Finndog, great guru of technology. Go back an re-read all your glowing reviews of the 3 buckle Krypton's and how you never,ever,  would do a stiffer carving boot. You present Lange 130's are much closer to race boots. As far as racers, give the technology some time, and perhaps work out patent issues, and the world will see.

 

And, by the way, why dump on my technology dream?

 

In a couple of years, I'll expect your wow reviews of carbon boots!



 

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

 

 

BTW- who is spending 1500 on DPS?  full list on a pure is 1200. The hybird is no where close to that. (799, full retail) and its worth the price.  But speaking of boots, you can get a near custom boot like a Vacuum or a boot like a Lange rs/rx for much less, why spend $2,000 on a boot that's a one purpose pony. I don't see the value.

 



 

 

Biggest difference to me: boots can't usually be resold like skis can.
 

 

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damn, so much wisdom in that dude.....  icon14.gif  (thought I would get the 1st one in for the year...)
 

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Biggest difference to me: boots can't usually be resold like skis can.
 

 



 

post #29 of 46

Carbon boots have actually been around for a while at least from what I've heard.  Rumors were that both the Hermanator and Rhalves had

Carbon Fiber Langes built back in the day.  I'm not sure if they ever raced in them or not but supposedly they were built.  From what I've heard

there aren't more athletes in the carbon boots simply due to shock absorption.  They're great in softer snow or even hard snow in the states but

once you get on injected or glacier ice there simply isn't enough shock absorption in the carbon.  No one will argue the ability to be precise and

the energy transfer of the carbon boots but it sounds like they're simply too rigid.

post #30 of 46

I think the main trend in boots is increased customization that is required to achieve close and comfortable fit.  It will be extremely difficult to achieve this level of customization with carbon fiber technology.  I can see some parts of a boot being made of carbon fiber to reduce weight and increase the power transmission, but other parts would have to be made of malleable or grind-able material to allow for a close fit. The only possibility I see for carbon boots going mainstream would be if they get coupled with a new liner technology that would allow durable close fit with increased power transmission and reasonable comfort.  Some of those traits may be an inherent contradiction, so this will be quite a technical challenge.   

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